I want to die

[Depleted]

It's true that you don't choose your birth parents. But that doesn't mean they'll love you. In fact, a lot of children who were initially wanted by their parents are also abused by them, even though they claim to "love" them. But that's not true. A real family is one that loves. You may be related by blood, but if you don't love each other, that's meaningless.

Give God time. (Remember, this is eternal now, so time we got.) That love my brother and I have? I first noticed last fall. I was 59. He was 62. Time we got. That means it took 59 years to become meaningful.

Everything God works out is meaningful and he works out everything.

My favorite verse is my favorite verse to remind me of that:
And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. Rom. 8:28

 

[HistoryPrincess]

And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. Rom. 8:28

Hate to burst your bubble, but has anyone stopped to consider that may God's definition of "good" and "love" and all things like that may be completely different from ours? Maybe our definitions of "bad" and "hate" are his definitions of "good" and "love." Food for thought.

 

[Depleted]

If you'd quit switching characters on the fly I might. As it is, no one will.

Yeesh! 53 years old and you don't get women yet. Yeah, we do that! "Switch characters." It's still all us. We're just characters.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Hate to burst your bubble, but has anyone stopped to consider that may God's definition of "good" and "love" and all things like that may be completely different from ours? Maybe our definitions of "bad" and "hate" are his definitions of "good" and "love." Food for thought.

You have the lousiest attitude of anyone I've ever seen. I hate to burst your bubble, but life isn't easy. Love isn't easy, nor is it guaranteed to be given to us by ANYONE.. Except God, he loves us all very much. And he loves us all the same, we all get an equal amount of his love. And God does not play favorites, whereas humans do. People place conditions on love, but God doesn't and never will. God's love is unconditional. He can and does, bring something good out of EVERY bad situation. Life is full of trials, it's how you handle them that matters. Either you can keep a positive outlook and give thanks to God during the hard times, or keep a lousy attitude and moan your way through, and try to blame God for all the hard things you've gone through, and will go through in the future.. He never promised us an easy, comfortable life. But he DID say that enduring through tough times will be worth it.

 

[Depleted]

Hate to burst your bubble, but has anyone stopped to consider that may God's definition of "good" and "love" and all things like that may be completely different from ours? Maybe our definitions of "bad" and "hate" are his definitions of "good" and "love." Food for thought.

Good, by God's definition is love. Love him. Love others. Do those two things all the time and we're good. He is good and love so he can't not be good and love. (He's more than that, but he can't not be that too.)

His definition of Love is 1 Cor. 13.

I get what you're saying, but that's why he made the book, so we do know what he means. He defined the words. The more important words more than once. The all important words constantly. Good and love are the themes of the Bible. It is about good and love. His name is God. And there is a reason the book has the words "Testaments." Testaments are legal papers, so those words are legally binding.

Good news. He's not a politician stumping for votes or to win a job. He's not into hooking us with false expectation. He's not tricking us. And heaven knows, most people making claims like his really are out to get something for themselves.

 

[HistoryPrincess]

You have the lousiest attitude of anyone I've ever seen. I hate to burst your bubble, but life isn't easy. Love isn't easy, nor is it guaranteed to be given to us by ANYONE.. Except God, he loves us all very much. And he loves us all the same, we all get an equal amount of his love. And God does not play favorites, whereas humans do. People place conditions on love, but God doesn't and never will. God's love is unconditional. He can and does, bring something good out of EVERY bad situation. Life is full of trials, it's how you handle them that matters. Either you can keep a positive outlook and give thanks to God during the hard times, or keep a lousy attitude and moan your way through, and try to blame God for all the hard things you've gone through, and will go through in the future.. He never promised us an easy, comfortable life. But he DID say that enduring through tough times will be worth it.

Well, forgive me for trying to be realistic. If you can explain these following questions without bringing up the copout of sin, I'll admit defeat. Why do mothers kill their children? Why do husbands beat their wives? Why do people die of drug overdoses because they want relief from their unbearable lives? What good comes out of a woman being raped? Or children being abused or killed or starved to death? What good comes out of any of these scenarios?

 

[blue_ladybug]

Well, forgive me for trying to be realistic. If you can explain these following questions without bringing up the copout of sin, I'll admit defeat. Why do mothers kill their children? Why do husbands beat their wives? Why do people die of drug overdoses because they want relief from their unbearable lives? What good comes out of a woman being raped? Or children being abused or killed or starved to death? What good comes out of any of these scenarios?

Why do mothers kill their children? There are a variety of reasons for all these questions. Some can't cope with the responsibility and some are mentally ill. Husbands beat their wives because they want a sense of control. I've been in an abusive relationship, AND both Depleted and myself have been raped. I suggest you read my Rape Survival testimony in the Testimonies forum, AND read all my threads down below in my signature. THEN come back and tell me what good comes out of a woman being raped, and what good comes out of an abused person sharing their story for others to learn from. Stop focusing on the bad in life, and start looking for the good. I've been raped, have lifelong depression, I've had cancer, and endured pure agonizing pain with a herniated disk for nearly 6 months.. Go read all of my threads, I'll be interested to see what you learn from my experiences. I give thanks to God for getting cancer, for having depression and all the rest of it. What have YOU given thanks to Him for lately? Stop grumbling, you're feeding the devil. Start giving thanks and you will feed God's glory.

 

[Willie-T]

Well, forgive me for trying to be realistic. If you can explain these following questions without bringing up the copout of sin, I'll admit defeat. Why do mothers kill their children? Why do husbands beat their wives? Why do people die of drug overdoses because they want relief from their unbearable lives? What good comes out of a woman being raped? Or children being abused or killed or starved to death? What good comes out of any of these scenarios?

How about the fact that there is something inside you that does not see those things as acceptable? Can you tell me where that part of you comes from? I mean, really. Is this just some moral code you developed. Because the people doing these things don't seem to have any problems with their behavior. Why do you?

That's a serious question. Explain what there is that makes you see these things as wrong? Why do you see that as wrong, when you can look at animals, and see that much of it occurs every day as just a part of their living, and it really doesn't seem to affect them like it obviously does you and me?

If you cannot figure that out, how can you say it is wrong when all of nature seen to "naturally" act this way?

 

[HistoryPrincess]

Why do mothers kill their children? There are a variety of reasons for all these questions. Some can't cope with the responsibility and some are mentally ill. Husbands beat their wives because they want a sense of control. I've been in an abusive relationship, AND both Depleted and myself have been raped. I suggest you read my Rape Survival testimony in the Testimonies forum, AND read all my threads down below in my signature. THEN come back and tell me what good comes out of a woman being raped, and what good comes out of an abused person sharing their story for others to learn from. Stop focusing on the bad in life, and start looking for the good. I've been raped, have lifelong depression, I've had cancer, and endured pure agonizing pain with a herniated disk for nearly 6 months.. Go read all of my threads, I'll be interested to see what you learn from my experiences. I give thanks to God for getting cancer, for having depression and all the rest of it. What have YOU given thanks to Him for lately? Stop grumbling, you're feeding the devil. Start giving thanks and you will feed God's glory.

All right, I'm sorry, I didn't know. If you have found healing and restoration, that's great, that's wonderful. Just don't put up your experience as a principle. Just don't think it will happen to everyone just because it happened to you. And you're right, I did grow up in Mr. Roger's Neighborhood. My testimony is pretty boring. And the more I see of people being so terrible to one another, the worse I feel about what I have. Then again, I guess God knew I was going to be spiritually weak so he gave me my blessed life as compensation.

 

[jsr1221]

I can understand where a lot of folks are coming from... But sometimes throwing just nothing but Scripture at someone sometimes makes situations worse. Maybe take an approach and try to find where the person is coming from rather than unintentionally taking verses out of context of their original situations? That's what I've learned in Christian counseling. A Christian counselor wouldn't throw verses at the client to get them "to basically get over it". Stuff like this stems from a serious of misfortunes overtime. One doesn't just get over it by seeing Jeremiah 29:11 or Joshua 1:9. You all will probably ignore this like you did my previous comment, but please. Try a different approach other than hanging verses. It's not helping her situation. There's more to life than just that.

 

[blue_ladybug]

All right, I'm sorry, I didn't know. If you have found healing and restoration, that's great, that's wonderful. Just don't put up your experience as a principle. Just don't think it will happen to everyone just because it happened to you. And you're right, I did grow up in Mr. Roger's Neighborhood. My testimony is pretty boring. And the more I see of people being so terrible to one another, the worse I feel about what I have. Then again, I guess God knew I was going to be spiritually weak so he gave me my blessed life as compensation.

I don't expect everyone to react like I did, if they're ever in some of the same situations I've been in. Testimonies are never boring. We are ALL spiritually weak at one point or another in our lives. Anyone here can attest to that. God has indeed blessed all of us, YOU included. The trick is to find those blessings even in the bad times.

You asked what good can come out of a mother killing her kids. Well, the AMBER alert is now in effect, and goes out as soon as a child is reported missing. Many laws have been enacted because of people who were murdered, laws that make sure the criminals are caught and will never see the outside of a prison again.

The most simple answer I can give you, is that baby-killers, wife beaters, drug addicts, whoever, are all living WITHOUT GOD. They see only one way out and they take it instead of reaching out to God. Had Andrea Yates reached out for help, she wouldn't have drowned her 5 kids in the bathtub. If Scott Petersen had gotten help, he wouldn't have killed and dismembered his wife and unborn baby. These are just a couple of examples, but they apply to any situation that makes someone feel desperate.. Without God, we are nothing. With God, we can accomplish anything.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I can understand where a lot of folks are coming from... But sometimes throwing just nothing but Scripture at someone sometimes makes situations worse. Maybe take an approach and try to find where the person is coming from rather than unintentionally taking verses out of context of their original situations? That's what I've learned in Christian counseling. A Christian counselor wouldn't throw verses at the client to get them "to basically get over it". Stuff like this stems from a serious of misfortunes overtime. One doesn't just get over it by seeing Jeremiah 29:11 or Joshua 1:9. You all will probably ignore this like you did my previous comment, but please. Try a different approach other than hanging verses. It's not helping her situation. There's more to life than just that.

No one here is telling her to "get over it". We're just trying to show her that life isn't easy, and we can't choose what happens to us. If we could, we would all have great lives, but that just isn't the reality of humankind.

 

[HistoryPrincess]

The problem is that sometimes, no matter how we pray or try to persevere with God, people will still die of cancer, people will still get taken from us, and we will have to live with things we have no control over.

It is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house of feasting, because that is the end of every man, and the living takes it to heart. Sorrow is better than laughter, for when a face is sad a heart may be happy. The mind of the wise is in the house of mourning, while the mind of fools is in the house of pleasure. (Eccl. 7:2-4, NASB)

I'd rather have a sad truth than a happy lie.

 

[jsr1221]

No one here is telling her to "get over it". We're just trying to show her that life isn't easy, and we can't choose what happens to us. If we could, we would all have great lives, but that just isn't the reality of humankind.

I didn't accuse anyone of doing such thing. I just used it as an example because when someone refers to just Scripture and nothing else, that essentially is saying " This is what God says. Let's move on." Let's call a spade a spade. It's a reason why just posting Scripture, and only using Scripture is a pet peeve of mine. God didn't design it to work that way. For mental health, a Christian counselor wouldn't use the verse that says "don't be anxious about anything". Because a person that has general anxiety disorder doesn't just get over it, and that person generally knows there is nothing to worry over. But if that person could stop feeling anxious, they would. People generally don't like feeling that. And that's just one example. Have a lot more but not going to derail this woman's thread.

 

[Willie-T]

The problem is that sometimes, no matter how we pray or try to persevere with God, people will still die of cancer, people will still get taken from us, and we will have to live with things we have no control over.

It is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house of feasting, because that is the end of every man, and the living takes it to heart. Sorrow is better than laughter, for when a face is sad a heart may be happy. The mind of the wise is in the house of mourning, while the mind of fools is in the house of pleasure. (Eccl. 7:2-4, NASB)

I'd rather have a sad truth than a happy lie.

If that is the truth, then why are you here? Why are you asking us to give you a reason to be happy? Why not just go sit in a corner, and cry...... IF that is what you truthfully mean you "would rather have."

The sad truth is that the world is crappy......... A happy "lie" according to you, is that I can choose to stay up in the middle of it.

 

[HistoryPrincess]

If that is the truth, then why are you here? Why are you asking us to give you a reason to be happy? Why not just go sit in a corner, and cry...... IF that is what you truthfully mean you "would rather have."

I don't know. I suppose you're right.

 

[Willie-T]

I don't know. I suppose you're right.

Fine. Good. Now, can you hold onto that, and look to see if there is a way to make it yours?

 

[Willie-T]

Abraham Lincoln once said that "Most people are about as happy as they make up their minds to be."

 

[Willie-T]

It's up to one person.... You.

 

[Depleted]

The problem is that sometimes, no matter how we pray or try to persevere with God, people will still die of cancer, people will still get taken from us, and we will have to live with things we have no control over.

It is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house of feasting, because that is the end of every man, and the living takes it to heart. Sorrow is better than laughter, for when a face is sad a heart may be happy. The mind of the wise is in the house of mourning, while the mind of fools is in the house of pleasure. (Eccl. 7:2-4, NASB)

I'd rather have a sad truth than a happy lie.

Boy! You really took that out of context, huh?