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I think you missed Depleted's point..... we as Christians can be guilty of gossiping, slander, boasting etc can't we? Despite our repenting of those things when they happen, the desires for those things can return. Just because one experiences SSA, that doesn't mean he is an unrepentant Christian. One can be a Christian while denying such desires. That's why we are called to deny ourselves, and to pick up our cross.
People are born with chemical imbalances. People are born with mental disorders. People are born with two sets of genitilia. Is it so far fetched to think the same for homosexuality? It is obvious not every single person and situation is the same. You yourself have battled depression. Homosexuality actually used to be defined as a mental disorder in the early years. And there is such a thing as gender identity disorder. So while knowing all this, to simply toss the possibly away I think is a little prematture. It's a messed up world and people every single day are born "not normal", to say the least. That doesn't make it okay to act out on the behavior, just like it isn't okay for a food addict (which I am by the way) to act out on that addiction. Or any person to act out on their mental illness. Having said that, though, a person can't force him herself to feel attraction.
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Well... I think the title is pretty clear 
Just to clarify what I mean with that question: I'm talking about being gay, not about being in a relation with other man (or woman for the ladies here ). Because I know people who are gay and Christian but who choose to not start a relationship with someone from the same sex because they believe what the bible says about it. Can answer it for me please?
Thanks in advance,
Maglost
Just to clarify what I mean with that question: I'm talking about being gay, not about being in a relation with other man (or woman for the ladies here ). Because I know people who are gay and Christian but who choose to not start a relationship with someone from the same sex because they believe what the bible says about it. Can answer it for me please?Thanks in advance,
Maglost
Well... I think the title is pretty clear Just to clarify what I mean with that question: I'm talking about being gay, not about being in a relation with other man (or woman for the ladies here ). Because I know people who are gay and Christian but who choose to not start a relationship with someone from the same sex because they believe what the bible says about it. Can answer it for me please?
Thanks in advance,
Maglost
Just to clarify what I mean with that question: I'm talking about being gay, not about being in a relation with other man (or woman for the ladies here ). Because I know people who are gay and Christian but who choose to not start a relationship with someone from the same sex because they believe what the bible says about it. Can answer it for me please?Thanks in advance,
Maglost
I understood the first part. But the second part is playing into the radical, homosexual propaganda that is being put into our children in kindergarten and other grades. Now, you lost me. We are born sinners, OK, I can give you that. Only Jesus Christ can help us to overcome our sinful nature everyday. Are we perfect? No. But no one is born ''homosexual''. If that were the case, God would give an exception. He does not give an exception, in either the Old or the New Testament. The only two options are you know Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and sovereign Lord or you do not. If you know him, love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength and love your neighbor (which includes homosexuals) as yourself then you are given free entrance to heaven because of Jesus' blood shed for you on the cross and his resurrection from the dead. God says that your thoughts can be sinful, it is not just an act. In fact, Job mentions this, I made a covenant with my eyes not to look lustfully at a girl. Before Cain murdered his brother, sin was at his door, he allowed it in and then murdered his brother Abel. Sin begins with one bad thought and then either it is fantasized, meditated on, and/ or even gets acted upon the more one thinks of it. What you just said is not biblical. God bless. Have a beautiful day!
This is just an idea but doesn't the fall of man explain why it is we are now born into sin? Wouldn't that explain why we are born with imperfects and disabilities even mental disabilities? So if that is true wouldn't it be possible for someone to be born with an illness or a mental disability or even an holy urge such as being gay? I would just encourage everyone to be a little more understanding for those that have urges that you yourself might not have to deal with. Everyone one Believers and non-believers alike have a battle and demons that would make us unworthy of the mercy of G-d. But yet He is merciful and understanding but its funny how the sinless and perfect Almighty doesn't berate us nearly as much as us imperfect sinful humans tend to be with one another. Be a little more mindful before you cast the first stone please. God bless you all
First of all, I was not casting stones and I saw no one doing it in this thread. Second of all, being homosexual is not a holy urge, it is an unnatural desire as well as being sinful. Thirdly, I try to be understanding but not supporting of an identity that goes contrary to God's word, the Bible, and a lifestyle that is unnatural as well as sinful in God's eyes. I have nothing against you or people who believe they are ''gay". I did not really see any berating in this thread, just people speaking the raw truth in love. Finally, that whole thing about casting the first stone is almost always quoted out of context kind of like the judge not verse in the Bible. A Christian is allowed to say something is wrong like John the Baptist did without being judgmental but using righteous judgment instead. Now if a believer said it was wrong, but they did not care and kept on doing that sin then they would be in the wrong and would be guilty of hypocrisy. God bless. Have a beautiful day!
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Something I cant understand is how a person can come to believe that being gay is something that youre born with and cant deny or control, but cant take that same stance on something like fetishes, such as being aroused by the idea of wearing a diaper or whatever. You can claim they arent the same thing, but I would argue that they are both sexual urges, and that they both become an attraction to you.
Anyone whos dealing with the issue of whether or not homosexuality is genetic should consider that with all things, and not just this one issue.
Anyone whos dealing with the issue of whether or not homosexuality is genetic should consider that with all things, and not just this one issue.
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I understood the first part. But the second part is playing into the radical, homosexual propaganda that is being put into our children in kindergarten and other grades. Now, you lost me. We are born sinners, OK, I can give you that. Only Jesus Christ can help us to overcome our sinful nature everyday. Are we perfect? No. But no one is born ''homosexual''. If that were the case, God would give an exception. He does not give an exception, in either the Old or the New Testament. The only two options are you know Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and sovereign Lord or you do not. If you know him, love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength and love your neighbor (which includes homosexuals) as yourself then you are given free entrance to heaven because of Jesus' blood shed for you on the cross and his resurrection from the dead. God says that your thoughts can be sinful, it is not just an act. In fact, Job mentions this, I made a covenant with my eyes not to look lustfully at a girl. Before Cain murdered his brother, sin was at his door, he allowed it in and then murdered his brother Abel. Sin begins with one bad thought and then either it is fantasized, meditated on, and/ or even gets acted upon the more one thinks of it. What you just said is not biblical. God bless. Have a beautiful day!
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Psalm 51 with the exceptions added:
[FONT="]3 For I know my transgressions,[/FONT]
[FONT="] and my sin is ever before me.[/FONT]
[FONT="]4 Against you, you only, have I sinned[/FONT]
[FONT="] and done what is evil in your sight,[/FONT]
[FONT="]so that you may be justified in your words[/FONT]
[FONT="] and blameless in your judgment.[/FONT]
[FONT="]5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,[/FONT]
[FONT="] and in sin did my mother conceive me.[/FONT]
[FONT="]6 Behold, you delight in truth in the inward being,[/FONT]
[FONT="] and you teach me wisdom in the secret heart.[/FONT]
Except if I'm homosexual, a killer, an arsonist, or a burglar. Then my mother did not conceive me in iniquity, nor is my sin ever before me. And then it's the sinful world's fault, not my fault.
[FONT="]3 For I know my transgressions,[/FONT]
[FONT="] and my sin is ever before me.[/FONT]
[FONT="]4 Against you, you only, have I sinned[/FONT]
[FONT="] and done what is evil in your sight,[/FONT]
[FONT="]so that you may be justified in your words[/FONT]
[FONT="] and blameless in your judgment.[/FONT]
[FONT="]5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,[/FONT]
[FONT="] and in sin did my mother conceive me.[/FONT]
[FONT="]6 Behold, you delight in truth in the inward being,[/FONT]
[FONT="] and you teach me wisdom in the secret heart.[/FONT]
Except if I'm homosexual, a killer, an arsonist, or a burglar. Then my mother did not conceive me in iniquity, nor is my sin ever before me. And then it's the sinful world's fault, not my fault.
Like I said before, we are ALL born into sin. BUT I wasn't born as an arsonist (or whatever) any more than YOU were born as a bank robber. IOW, as newborns we don't choose what we will be, once we're grown up and can decide for ourselves. As newborns, we're thinking about sleeping and eating..lol.. Not about what kind of sinner we will be later on in life. Same with gay people, as babies they don't look at another of the same sex and say "danggg boy/girl, you fine, I'ma git with you when I'm older". lol
First of all, I was not casting stones and I saw no one doing it in this thread. Second of all, being homosexual is not a holy urge, it is an unnatural desire as well as being sinful. Thirdly, I try to be understanding but not supporting of an identity that goes contrary to God's word, the Bible, and a lifestyle that is unnatural as well as sinful in God's eyes. I have nothing against you or people who believe they are ''gay". I did not really see any berating in this thread, just people speaking the raw truth in love. Finally, that whole thing about casting the first stone is almost always quoted out of context kind of like the judge not verse in the Bible. A Christian is allowed to say something is wrong like John the Baptist did without being judgmental but using righteous judgment instead. Now if a believer said it was wrong, but they did not care and kept on doing that sin then they would be in the wrong and would be guilty of hypocrisy. God bless. Have a beautiful day!
I am sorry you view my opinion as taking things out of context and calling people out. Those were not my intentions but I can see how the point I was trying to make came off that way. I do realize the sin is wrong and is very clear in the bible but what people are discussing here I think is more the matter of people who admit they have these urges maybe for even as long as they remember and have trouble understanding why it is they are mentally battling this, while others dont have this problem. Its easy for us to quote scripture because scripture is very clear on the subject. I just dont want someone who has this battle themselves to lose heart and be discouraged because people are comparing it to murdering and robbing. People act on murder and stealing I believe more because they want to while people who have urges of being gay are having trouble understanding why they feel the way they do not so much because they want to be that way. I am sure a married man who has good intentions doesn't want to lustfully look at other women because he knows its wrong yet it is a battle he probably faces almost everyday. It may not be the same sin but I just urge us to be more understanding especially when we see people trying not to act on it and are fighting a battle we do not understand.
Yeraza, The reason people come to believe that being gay is natural is because, well think of two consenting samesex people loving each other,.. and if you don't take the literal translations of the bible super literally, aand if you don't think about the need that all relationships should be able to procreate (because lets face it, we have more people than resources as it is, and many poor hetero couples can't anyway)... then it makes perfect sense that we're all humans - and two consenting samesex adults being together seems pretty harmless.
I think that the mentality that makes someone develop a fetish may be innate, addiction for example clearly runs in families,. but the specific object, costume, action or body part they fetishize is learned. Think about OCD. It is an innate characteristic, but that does not mean "washing your hands repeatedly" is an innate characteristic; it is just one way OCD can manifest.
I think that the mentality that makes someone develop a fetish may be innate, addiction for example clearly runs in families,. but the specific object, costume, action or body part they fetishize is learned. Think about OCD. It is an innate characteristic, but that does not mean "washing your hands repeatedly" is an innate characteristic; it is just one way OCD can manifest.
We all actually do have the capacity to kill someone. Each and every single one of us has the capacity to be another Hitler or Saddam. And I refer back to the human mind again. It's a complex thing that no one can completely understand. That same mind can have people be mentally unstable, and go on killing sprees. Ever hear ofnot guilty by reason of insanity? Mental illness is a real thing and there was a reason why homosexuality was classified as such thing.
Actually in those cases it's a sign of mental illness. A 35-year-old man doesn't just wake up one day and say "I'm going to wear a diaper". A lot of stuff transpires from childhood that causes him to act that way. Also there is something going on in the brain, because your typical 35-year-old doesn't do such thing.
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No, I wasn't born an arsonist nor a homosexual. I was born a haughty gossip. Kind of what born in sin means. We're born in it then excel at it. Why do you think some sins are horrible while others aren't all that bad?
And why do you think babies are so sinless? Do these faces look like they're only up to sleeping and eating?
Just because they can't speak yet, doesn't mean there aren't plans and thoughts in those heads.
And why do you think babies are so sinless? Do these faces look like they're only up to sleeping and eating?
Just because they can't speak yet, doesn't mean there aren't plans and thoughts in those heads.