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I have been studying and I wish to share something. So lets begin?

[h=3]Ephesians 2:8-9[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Verse 8&9 clearly states that we are saved by Grace, it is a gift from God, not of ourselves and not of works lest any man boast.



Is that point made clear to us from scripture? We are saved by God's Grace, Point blank period, and I just want to take this time to emphasize that we are saved by GRACE.

But if we look closely, this verse is conditional, we can ONLY access this saving grace, according to this verse, through our faith. So no faith, no grace. Is that point clearly seen in scripture? "For by grace are ye saved THROUGH faith;"

James asked a question that had me thinking.

James 2:14"What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?"


Then he continues to say

James 2:15-17 "If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,","And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?","Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."
So what James is saying is our faith can be dead! Thats why he gave those example in verses 15&16, because you didn't do anything for your sister or brother, you just gave them some 'lip' service!

Wow to think we can have faith but it mean nothing! Is that not why James said

James 2:18 "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works."

James is saying he can prove his faith by his works! but he would love for you to show him your faith WITHOUT any works.

He figured some would be foolish enough to think that is possible, to show their faith without any works and cling to the fact that they believe!

James 2:18"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

You believe in Jesus Christ? Amen! Good james says, the devils also believe and tremble, So what's the difference between you and them?

James 2:20"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"


Once again, our brother James is letting us know that our faith can be dead.

He continues on to example the difference between dead faith and perfect faith.



James 2:21-22"Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?","Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect ?"

What a wonderful picture now painted for us! Because Abraham believed in God, it brought forth his works(Obedience), thus making his faith Perfect!

James 2:23"And the scripture was fulfilled which saith , Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God"

James wants to conclude!





James 2:24"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified , and not by faith only."

One has to question, Justified from what? Perhaps another time, we can dig into that statement, for now, Lets turn our attention to Genesis!

[h=3]Genesis 6:5-8[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
[SUP]8 [/SUP][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]But Noah found grace in the eyes of the [/FONT]Lord[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif].[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Verses 7 and 8 are very important! and heres why. God said he was going to destroy man, and also God found GRACE in noah :) keep this in mind as we continue reading, skipping down to verse 13.

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[SUP]13 [/SUP]And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.



So here we have God telling Noah what was to come to pass, the end of all flesh, but remember God found grace in Noah so he was telling him this to save his life but it was conditional Noah had to do something! Can you guess what it was?, God told him in verse 14 to make an ark, not only that but in verse 15 he told him THIS is the fashion which thou shalt make it of, being very specific! If you guessed Noah had to make an ark you are correct! Good job, but who told him to make it? God, therefore Noah was being Obedient to God, but why? Why would Noah be obedient to God? Lets look at hebrews :)

[h=3]Hebrews 11:7[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]7 [/SUP][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So we can see here clearly from scripture it was because Noah had FAITH in God that he was Obedient which not only saved him but also his family because God found GRACE in Noah. Can we see very clearly how Faith without works is dead? Can you imagine if Noah had not built the ark but yet he said he believed 100% that what God said was true and that it was going to come to pass? How foolish would that have been?

What about Cain and abel? Both believed in God but one was obedient and the other wasn't, Who did God accept?
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[h=3]Hebrews 11:4[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

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To say you have faith without works is foolishness according to scripture because it is dead!
James 2:15-17 "If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,","And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?","Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."

So now I go back to the very first verse posted!
[h=3]Ephesians 2:8-9[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[SUP]9 [/SUP][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Not of works, lest any man should boast.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So again, we are stilled saved by God's Grace, nothing more nothing less, it is a gift from God that he gave out of love to us, therefore it is not of ourselves, we did not come up with this grace and we can't earn it through our works lest any man should boast, the only way we can access this Grace is Through our faith.

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Now my question for you is what FAITH do you think this verse is talking about? The faith that is dead?, or the perfect faith that Abraham, Noah, Abel and many others had because they were obedient to God?[/FONT]
 
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To long to read but all men are given a measure of faith.
 
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Sideburns, In my personal experience I find that God's GRACE is way more that forgiving sins.... Please allow me to share just how all encompassing God's Grace really is...
What do we know about what God did and do and still has to do to get Cobus to walk in His WAY and in His statutes...

First: God predestined me to be elect. His child (already a gift od God) And the world does not even exist.
Second: God gave me life.
Third: God loved me FIRST and now CALLS me. (Grace in action, Part ONE)
Fourth: God gave His Son so I can be purified. (Grace in action Part TWO)
Fith : God sends His Holy Spirit to lead me in Truth to Righteousness (Grace in action Part THREE)
Sixth : God's Holy Spirit led me out of ALL sin and I am now SAINT (Grace in action Part Four)
Seventh : God's Grace is now on the last stage, God baptize me INTO THE BODY OF CHRIST... UNTO A PERFECT MAN... Grace in action Part Five)

Now no more grace is needed, and God's Spirit can live the perfect life of Christ right here on earth... This sinner God called, God also santified (justified ) and GLORIFIED to be a perfect man... A new Creature... Unto the fulness of Christ...Born of God...

This verse says it so beautiful where this NEW CREATURE IS AT... What God has done with this once sinner...

Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

And the gift for this comes from .....

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Now here this.... It is not our good works that makes us perfect... It is gods perfect gift of perfection that makes us do good works.... Isn't God GREAT?
 
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Gloryb2God :)
 

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I have been studying and I wish to share something. So lets begin?

Ephesians 2:8-9

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Verse 8&9 clearly states that we are saved by Grace, it is a gift from God, not of ourselves and not of works lest any man boast.



Is that point made clear to us from scripture? We are saved by God's Grace, Point blank period, and I just want to take this time to emphasize that we are saved by GRACE.

But if we look closely, this verse is conditional, we can ONLY access this saving grace, according to this verse, through our faith. So no faith, no grace. Is that point clearly seen in scripture? "For by grace are ye saved THROUGH faith;"

James asked a question that had me thinking.

James 2:14"What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?"


Then he continues to say

James 2:15-17 "If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,","And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?","Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."
So what James is saying is our faith can be dead! Thats why he gave those example in verses 15&16, because you didn't do anything for your sister or brother, you just gave them some 'lip' service!

Wow to think we can have faith but it mean nothing! Is that not why James said

James 2:18 "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works."

James is saying he can prove his faith by his works! but he would love for you to show him your faith WITHOUT any works.

He figured some would be foolish enough to think that is possible, to show their faith without any works and cling to the fact that they believe!

James 2:18"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

You believe in Jesus Christ? Amen! Good james says, the devils also believe and tremble, So what's the difference between you and them?

James 2:20"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"


Once again, our brother James is letting us know that our faith can be dead.

He continues on to example the difference between dead faith and perfect faith.



James 2:21-22"WasnotAbrahamourfatherjustifiedbyworks, when he had offeredIsaachissonupon the altar?","Seest thouhowfaithwrought with hisworks,andbyworkswasfaith made perfect ?"

What a wonderful picture now painted for us! Because Abraham believed in God, it brought forth his works(Obedience), thus making his faith Perfect!

James 2:23"And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, AbrahambelievedGod,and it was imputed unto him forrighteousness:and he was called the Friend of God"

James wants to conclude!



James 2:24"Ye seethen how thatbyworks a man is justified , andnotbyfaithonly."

One has to question, Justified from what? Perhaps another time, we can dig into that statement, for now, Lets turn our attention to Genesis!

Genesis 6:5-8

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

Verses 7 and 8 are very important! and heres why. God said he was going to destroy man, and also God found GRACE in noah :) keep this in mind as we continue reading, skipping down to verse 13.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.



So here we have God telling Noah what was to come to pass, the end of all flesh, but remember God found grace in Noah so he was telling him this to save his life but it was conditional Noah had to do something! Can you guess what it was?, God told him in verse 14 to make an ark, not only that but in verse 15 he told him THIS is the fashion which thou shalt make it of, being very specific! If you guessed Noah had to make an ark you are correct! Good job, but who told him to make it? God, therefore Noah was being Obedient to God, but why? Why would Noah be obedient to God? Lets look at hebrews :)

Hebrews 11:7

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]7 [/SUP]By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

So we can see here clearly from scripture it was because Noah had FAITH in God that he was Obedient which not only saved him but also his family because God found GRACE in Noah. Can we see very clearly how Faith without works is dead? Can you imagine if Noah had not built the ark but yet he said he believed 100% that what God said was true and that it was going to come to pass? How foolish would that have been?

What about Cain and abel? Both believed in God but one was obedient and the other wasn't, Who did God accept?
Hebrews 11:4

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.




To say you have faith without works is foolishness according to scripture because it is dead!
James 2:15-17 "If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,","And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?","Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."

So now I go back to the very first verse posted!
Ephesians 2:8-9

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast.

So again, we are stilled saved by God's Grace, nothing more nothing less, it is a gift from God that he gave out of love to us, therefore it is not of ourselves, we did not come up with this grace and we can't earn it through our works lest any man should boast, the only way we can access this Grace is Through our faith.


Now my question for you is what FAITH do you think this verse is talking about? The faith that is dead?, or the perfect faith that Abraham, Noah, Abel and many others had because they were obedient to God?
I would say it is Personal assurance of Gods will in our personal lives. having faith in the personal plan HE has for us, and thus us walking in according to just that.
seeing that NOAH indeed got saved from the flood, believing or being sure that GOD will indeed destroy earth and all mankind.
GODs plan changed HIM, changed His purpose, changed His views, changed his goals, everything about Him. having believed GOD from HIS revelations of the fate HE had for earth.
 

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I have been studying and I wish to share something. So lets begin?

Now my question for you is what FAITH do you think this verse is talking about? The faith that is dead?, or the perfect faith that Abraham, Noah, Abel and many others had because they were obedient to God?
true Faith. produces true works of God period otherwise Faith is noit Faith from God's viewpoint
 
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1 John 1:7

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin
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"Does Every Christian Belief This?"
 
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1 John 1:7

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin
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"Does Every Christian Belief This?"
If you believe this the next question is "What Does the Light Represent?"
 
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If you believe this the next question is "What Does the Light Represent?"
according to the bible the Light would represent Jesus Christ, the son of God
 

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If you believe this the next question is "What Does the Light Represent?"
Narrow Road,(path), striat path, path of holyness, righteousness through FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS.
Reading the chapter John does distinguish between darkness and light, and reading Genesis chapter 1, the word of GOD does indeed tell us GOD said LET THERE BE LIGHT, and then HE Distinguished LIGHT FROM DARKNESS, and i believe it is a system already ordained from the beginning. That GOD has His standards, and if we say we want to walk in those standards then we must make sure we are SINLESS.
 

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1 John 1:7

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin
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"Does Every Christian Belief This?"
it is done once, not over and over again, by over and over again as some do it is no diffearant than going back to jerusalem and get one's sins forgiven
Out of one side of my mouth I used to say I am forgiven by Christ and thanked God whole heartedly. But I was taught that if and when I sin agian I would need more forgiveness, and I said yes it is the only right thing to do for God. And I became so miserable, my mind being so focused on not sining that this is it seemed all I ever did and kept asking God to forgive me over and over until I felt he wass taking Pepto-bismal, because my sinful behavior had to be making Goid sick of me. It sure was me
Until i understood he died for my sin and everyone's sin once for all and that he was just waiting for me to come to belief in what he did and then give me a new wayof life in trusting God. My mind focused differantly and life is and has been produced ever since in thankfulness,and praises, even while I am in adversity here on earth, but now i know God is present with me and just loves me and you and you and you.
Thanks for that scripture, and after recdeption of that I ahve found no where in the new testament after Christ's death anywhere we are told by scripture to ask for further forgivenss from God himself after the death of christ.
I see we are to forgive one another and I see I will because I am forgiven, how about anyone else
 

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If you believe this the next question is "What Does the Light Represent?"
Christ, the way, the truth and the life which is only found in him, via the cross is where it is all made possible for us to enter heaven without cutting off all our limbs as he so well pointed out prior to the cross to his disciples
 
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There is no FELLOWSHIP with sin when a person is IN CHRIST.... IN HIM IS NO SIN... We can believe one of three things...
1. We can believe god forgave us ALL sin when we START our sanctification/repentance/holy-making... Even the sin we are still going to commit... But there are to many verses that indicates this is not so....

2. We can believe God forgives us sin by sin as we do commit them and confess them... Again, this means God has to forgive us some sin more than once... So this also is not perfectly fitting Scripture....

3, We can believe God release us from sin, one by one, but FORGIVE us ALL sin at once, when He has set us free from all sin... This one is the only one that does not hook-up with Scripture.... So this is the way I believe it is done.... We will repent, lay down sin by sin as the Holy Spirit reproof us of our sin... and then He will lead us OUT of that sin,,, then when we are lead ALL the way to the cross, God forgives us ALL SIN AT ONCE... Then we are passed through the narrow gate, and there is already NO SIN IN US.... and when we enter INTO HIM THERE IS STILL NO SIN IN HIM.

One reason this is true... God does not have to forgive ANY sin more than once... HE KNOWS WHEN YOU ARE FINISHED WITH THAT SIN BECAUSE HE IS THE ONE THAT GIVES YOU VICTORY and RULING OVER EVERY SIN!!!

God does not have to forgive you a sin before he gives you ruling or mastership or victory over it... HE can forgive you that sin and ALL the others just before HE LETS YOUR TROUGHT THE NARROW GATE INTO HIM... God cannot allow ANY SIN ON HIS SIDE OF THE GATE... THEN THE VERSES THAT STATES THERE IS NO SIN IN HIM WOULD NO LONGER BE TRUE!!! Only SINLESS PEOPLE CAN ENTER THROUGH THE NARROW GATE...

The world and sin is on this side of the narrow Gate, and God and holiness is on the other side of the Narrow Gate... One side is sin, other side is holiness...
 

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Narrow Road,(path), striat path, path of holyness, righteousness through FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS.
Reading the chapter John does distinguish between darkness and light, and reading Genesis chapter 1, the word of GOD does indeed tell us GOD said LET THERE BE LIGHT, and then HE Distinguished LIGHT FROM DARKNESS, and i believe it is a system already ordained from the beginning. That GOD has His standards, and if we say we want to walk in those standards then we must make sure we are SINLESS.
you said we need to make sure we are sinless by these standards and I agree but I can't nor can you or anyone else, for if any of us could then Christ came in vain if anyone could ever be perfect as Christ is. No so he by the cross took first away the disease that caused death to come upon all men, we ourselves are buried with him dead with him by babtism and thenraised to new life as God raised him to life this is for us allread please Romans 6 and by him we are dead to sin andalive to God and by this being alive in the Spirit of God being dead to sin, we just don't live in it any longer and this is all by God through the cross.
Now I write this to you all and me sowe don't sin, because Christ by the cross has from Father's point of view has already made us sinless whether we sin or not. Therefore
[h=3]1 John 3:3[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.

1 John 2:1
My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One

See what and why we are also told to renew our minds? To what way of thinking? How about how God sees everything after the cross. God's point of view Are all sins taken away? does God really love me this much, because people sure do not?
Is God opposite of the world or not?
Is god Spirit and can only be worshipped in spirit and truth? But I am carnal sold under sin how then can I perform?
S0 iserve the law of sin and death with my flesh and law of righteousness with my heart, where the Holy Ghost resides in the Spirit
So what is God want me to be, Spirit of God worship or flesh worship?
 

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There is no FELLOWSHIP with sin when a person is IN CHRIST.... IN HIM IS NO SIN... We can believe one of three things...
1. We can believe god forgave us ALL sin when we START our sanctification/repentance/holy-making... Even the sin we are still going to commit... But there are to many verses that indicates this is not so....

2. We can believe god forgives us sin by sin as we do commit them and confess them... Again, this means God has to forgive us some sin more than once... So this also is not perfectly fitting Scripture....

3, We can believe God release us from sin, one by one, but FORGIVE us ALL sin at once, when He has set us free from all sin... This one is the only one that does not hook-up with Scripture.... So this is the way I believe it is done.... We will repent, lay down sin by sin as the Holy Spirit reproof us of our sin... and then He will lead us OUT of that sin,,, then when we are lead ALL the way to the cross, God forgives us ALL SIN AT ONCE... Then we are passed through the narrow gate, and there is already NO SIN IN US.... and when we enter INTO HIM THERE IS STILL NO SIN IN HIM.

One reason this is true... God does not have to forgive ANY sin more than once... HE KNOWS WHEN YOU ARE FININCHED WITH THAT SIN BECAUSE HE IS THE ONE THAT GIVES YOU VICTORY and RULING OVER EVERY SIN!!!

God does not have to forgive you a sin before he gives you ruling or mastership or victory over it... HE can forgive you that sin and ALL the others just before HE LETS YOUR TROUGHT THE NARROW GATE INTO HIM... God cannot allow ANY SIN ON HIS SIDE OF THE GATE... THEN THE VERSES THAT STATES THERE IS NO SIN IN HIM WOULD NO LONGER BE TRUE!!! Only SINLESS PEOPLE CAN ENTER THROUGH THE NARROW GATE...

The world and sin is on this side of the narrow Gate, and God and holiness is on the other side of the Narrow Gate... One side is sin, other side is holiness...
and he came to take away all sin in you via in the cross by the resurrection by belief. the only way to the Father is Christ
 

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There is no FELLOWSHIP with sin when a person is IN CHRIST.... IN HIM IS NO SIN... We can believe one of three things...
1. We can believe god forgave us ALL sin when we START our sanctification/repentance/holy-making... Even the sin we are still going to commit... But there are to many verses that indicates this is not so....

2. We can believe God forgives us sin by sin as we do commit them and confess them... Again, this means God has to forgive us some sin more than once... So this also is not perfectly fitting Scripture....

3, We can believe God release us from sin, one by one, but FORGIVE us ALL sin at once, when He has set us free from all sin... This one is the only one that does not hook-up with Scripture.... So this is the way I believe it is done.... We will repent, lay down sin by sin as the Holy Spirit reproof us of our sin... and then He will lead us OUT of that sin,,, then when we are lead ALL the way to the cross, God forgives us ALL SIN AT ONCE... Then we are passed through the narrow gate, and there is already NO SIN IN US.... and when we enter INTO HIM THERE IS STILL NO SIN IN HIM.

One reason this is true... God does not have to forgive ANY sin more than once... HE KNOWS WHEN YOU ARE FINISHED WITH THAT SIN BECAUSE HE IS THE ONE THAT GIVES YOU VICTORY and RULING OVER EVERY SIN!!!

God does not have to forgive you a sin before he gives you ruling or mastership or victory over it... HE can forgive you that sin and ALL the others just before HE LETS YOUR TROUGHT THE NARROW GATE INTO HIM... God cannot allow ANY SIN ON HIS SIDE OF THE GATE... THEN THE VERSES THAT STATES THERE IS NO SIN IN HIM WOULD NO LONGER BE TRUE!!! Only SINLESS PEOPLE CAN ENTER THROUGH THE NARROW GATE...

The world and sin is on this side of the narrow Gate, and God and holiness is on the other side of the Narrow Gate... One side is sin, other side is holiness...
It can happen in the twinkling of an eye by belief without a doubt, won't happen until all doubt is gone
 
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I also learned today that light is Gods Word :D

Psalm 119:105

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]105 [/SUP]Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.