Are demons really fallen angels?

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Are demons fallen angels?

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 76.0%
  • No

    Votes: 2 8.0%
  • I'm confused.

    Votes: 4 16.0%

  • Total voters
    25
  • Poll closed .
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danschance

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#81
You have to look at who was talking about the prince of Persia. One of God's angels. The angel of God was fighting the prince of Persia, and was delayed taking a message to David'
Actually, it was Daniel, not David.
 
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Laodicea

Guest
#82
Fact
The kings of Persia are literal kings on earth.

Fact
The kings of Persia in Daniel 11:2 are literal kings on earth.

Fact
This is not symbolic prophecy Daniel 10~12

Because of these facts the prince of persia is a literal prince from the kingdom of Persia.
 
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danschance

Guest
#83
The word demon is not found in the KJV. But evil spirits or devils which are fallen angels.

Oh, look at this. Here you say evil spirits are fallen angels. I do agree with you, but you are making doctrines of men here. Unless you can prove this with scripture it is just your opinion.
 
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danschance

Guest
#84
Fact
The kings of Persia are literal kings on earth.

Fact
The kings of Persia in Daniel 11:2 are literal kings on earth.

Fact
This is not symbolic prophecy Daniel 10~12

Because of these facts the prince of persia is a literal prince from the kingdom of Persia.
That is hysterical. When can real princes hold back angels of God?

Also this is another "doctrine of men". You can't prove anything you just claimed. Which means this is also your opinion.
 
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Laodicea

Guest
#85
That is hysterical. When can real princes hold back angels of God?

Also this is another "doctrine of men". You can't prove anything you just claimed. Which means this is also your opinion.
Your problem is you are looking at the physical not the spritual.

*[[Eph 6:12]] KJV* For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
 
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NiceneCreed

Guest
#88
Once again you retreat to that same old tired phrase. From now on I will do the same for you.

In my defense: Here is an article from an online encyclopedia. It calls the prine of persia a territorial spirit. So if I can find this in an online encyclopedia, it is not just my opinion.

Territorial Spirit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well, as the saying goes, "If you want to keep something a secret, you hide it in a book." In this particular instance, you hide it on the internet . . . sheesh . . . go figure.
 
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NiceneCreed

Guest
#89
Oh, look at this. Here you say evil spirits are fallen angels. I do agree with you, but you are making doctrines of men here. Unless you can prove this with scripture it is just your opinion.
The English transliteration of the word "demon," is pronounced "daimon," and its G/K number is 1230 (The Strongest Exhaustive Concordance). Its definition of the word "daimon" is: evil spirit. Additionally, this fact is per Matthew 8:31, when the demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into that herd of pigs." Also, according to Mark 5:9, when Jesus asked the demon possessed man what his name was, he responded, "My name is legion, for we are many." I should add the best estimate of a Roman legion was anywhere from 3,000 to 6,000 men; do the math. It is evident the demon possessed man had many "evil spirits" in him. So it is clear Scripture does indeed refer to demons as "evil spirits;" more specifically, so did the authors of the gospels. "Doctrine of Men"? Have you ever heard of verbal-plenary inspiration, or do you not believe the Bible to be the divine, inspired and inerrant Word of God?

We can conclude:


(1) God is spirit.

(2) Satan is Spirit.

(3) Satan is an angel.

(4) There are many fallen angels.

(5) Fallen angels must likewise be spirits.

(6) Satan and fallen angels rebel (rebelled) against God.

(7) Per Revelation 12:7-9, Satan and his angels were hurled to the earth.

(8) Satan inhabits the earth (There are numerous scriptures which confirm this fact,
but let's just take Job into consideration).

(9) Satan is an evil spirit.

(10) Fallen Angels must also inhabit the earth, per numerous scriptures.

(11) Fallen angels are also evil spirits.

(12) Demon = Evil Spirit

(13) Evil spirit(s) [According to Scripture] = Satan/Fallen Angels
 
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danschance

Guest
#90
The English transliteration of the word "demon," is pronounced "daimon," and its G/K number is 1230 (The Strongest Exhaustive Concordance). Its definition of the word "daimon" is: evil spirit. Additionally, this fact is per Matthew 8:31, when the demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into that herd of pigs." Also, according to Mark 5:9, when Jesus asked the demon possessed man what his name was, he responded, "My name is legion, for we are many." I should add the best estimate of a Roman legion was anywhere from 3,000 to 6,000 men; do the math. It is evident the demon possessed man had many "evil spirits" in him. So it is clear Scripture does indeed refer to demons as "evil spirits;" more specifically, so did the authors of the gospels. "Doctrine of Men"? Have you ever heard of verbal-plenary inspiration, or do you not believe the Bible to be the divine, inspired and inerrant Word of God?

We can conclude:


(1) God is spirit.

(2) Satan is Spirit.

(3) Satan is an angel.

(4) There are many fallen angels.

(5) Fallen angels must likewise be spirits.

(6) Satan and fallen angels rebel (rebelled) against God.

(7) Per Revelation 12:7-9, Satan and his angels were hurled to the earth.

(8) Satan inhabits the earth (There are numerous scriptures which confirm this fact,
but let's just take Job into consideration).

(9) Satan is an evil spirit.

(10) Fallen Angels must also inhabit the earth, per numerous scriptures.

(11) Fallen angels are also evil spirits.

(12) Demon = Evil Spirit

(13) Evil spirit(s) [According to Scripture] = Satan/Fallen Angels

Good job, thank you. So would you conclude "the prince of persia" is a territorial spirit?
 
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NiceneCreed

Guest
#91
Good job, thank you. So would you conclude "the prince of persia" is a territorial spirit?
Are you talking about the video game, "Prince of Persia," or the movie starring Jake Gyllenhaal? You really do have to specify, because I want to make sure you are not referring to manmade doctrine. :rolleyes:
 
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danschance

Guest
#92
Are you talking about the video game, "Prince of Persia," or the movie starring Jake Gyllenhaal? You really do have to specify, because I want to make sure you are not referring to manmade doctrine. :rolleyes:
Earlier on this thread, I said of the reference to the prince of persia in Daniel 10:

19“Do not be afraid, you who are highly esteemed,” he said. “Peace! Be strong now; be strong.”When he spoke to me, I was strengthened and said, “Speak, my lord, since you have given me strength.”20So he said, “Do you know why I have come to you? Soon I will return to fight against the prince of Persia, and when I go, the prince of Greece will come; 21but first I will tell you what is written in the Book of Truth. (No one supports me against them except Michael, your prince. Daniel 10:19-21
I said the Prince of persia is a territorial spirit but laodicea said i was inventing doctrine. What do you think?
 
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NiceneCreed

Guest
#94
Earlier on this thread, I said of the reference to the prince of persia in Daniel 10:



I said the Prince of persia is a territorial spirit but laodicea said i was inventing doctrine. What do you think?
I believe the spirit you are referring to is Satan, but the prince of Persia in the Book of Daniel, is reference to kings of Persia.
 
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danschance

Guest
#95
I believe the spirit you are referring to is Satan, but the prince of Persia in the Book of Daniel, is reference to kings of Persia.
Some people believe that. However, if the prince of Persia is satan, then who is the prince of Greece also mentioned in Daniel 10?
 
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NiceneCreed

Guest
#96
Some people believe that. However, if the prince of Persia is satan, then who is the prince of Greece also mentioned in Daniel 10?
Someone entirely different, and also a mortal man; perhaps he was touched or influenced by the devil.
 
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danschance

Guest
#97
Someone entirely different, and also a mortal man; perhaps he was touched or influenced by the devil.
If that is true then he stopped an angel from reaching Daniel for 21 days. I find that difficult to accept.
 
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danschance

Guest
#98
No that is fact, you twist the scriptures, that is fact, you base things on opinion, that is fact.

Sorry but that is still your opinion. You simply are being accusatory without facts. If you state I twist scripture and do not prove that claim, that is absolutely just your opinion, not fact. Show an example of me twisting a scripture then accuse me of scripture twisting otherwise it is just a groundless personal attack based 100% on the words from your mouth.
 
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#99
Why some of the people here like to engage in heated discussions? It seems no one decides to back down, believe me it goes nowhere. If you already made your point then that's it, don't force someone to swallow your opinion. It's not good infact it's very ridiculous. I don't see any mature christians but unbelievers who are fighting for nothing.

Beloved , We are the salt of this evil world, but if salt has lost its taste,how shall its saltiness be restored? it's no longer good for anything except to be thrown out.

Here in cc are not all believers. there are someone here who are just curious of what christianity is all about. And this is the way you want to show them?

Ok God bless everyone...
 
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NiceneCreed

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Why some of the people here like to engage in heated discussions? It seems no one decides to back down, believe me it goes nowhere. If you already made your point then that's it, don't force someone to swallow your opinion. It's not good infact it's very ridiculous. I don't see any mature christians but unbelievers who are fighting for nothing.

Beloved , We are the salt of this evil world, but if salt has lost its taste,how shall its saltiness be restored? it's no longer good for anything except to be thrown out.

Here in cc are not all believers. there are someone here who are just curious of what christianity is all about. And this is the way you want to show them?

Ok God bless everyone...

I don't expect anyone to "swallow" my position, but at the very least, I do enjoy an open discussion. However, I find it rude when you ask someone a direct question and they blatantly refuse to respond to it, as this leads me to believe I am being ignored or that I am insignificant. I suppose if you already have your presuppositions concerning matters of doctrine, it shouldn't matter whether or not you have a discussion with someone who has a differing view about a particular aspect of Scripture. Then again, some might find such an act to be wrong, or they are insecure about their own beliefs -- enough so they decide not to at least engage someone in conversation. This is all my opinion.


Grace and Peace!