When Jesus Christ comes again to collect the saved, just before Satan will be bound for 1000 years, there will be no more saved ones on this earth once He has taken them up to Him on the cloud, and for those that is left behind, there will be no more chance to be saved. Only Satan's angels and the living unsaved will remain on this earth and do anyone think that Satan's angels will try and convince the unsaved to repent? Satan will be locked up in the pit of darkness for 1000 years and maybe his angels will then realize that he is not the god of light ie. Lucifer.
THERE WILL BE NO SALVATION FOR THOSE THAT WILL BE ON THIS EARTH DURING THE 1000 YEARS
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There are a few things that have to be addressed in what you wrote here :
1 When Jesus Christ comes again to collect the saved, just before Satan will be bound for 1000 years,
This is a little confusing. Christ collects before Satan ?
2 there will be no more saved ones on this earth once He has taken them up to Him on the cloud, and for those that is left behind,
Where is this written ? And is this following the subject of the chapters it is taken from, and does this take into account the surrounding scriptures and teachings ?
1 When Jesus Christ comes again to collect the saved, just before Satan will be bound for 1000 years,
This is a little confusing. Christ collects before Satan ?
2 there will be no more saved ones on this earth once He has taken them up to Him on the cloud, and for those that is left behind,
Where is this written ? And is this following the subject of the chapters it is taken from, and does this take into account the surrounding scriptures and teachings ?
When Jesus shows up,, His mere presence will kill all unsaved humans on this earth.
The earth will only be occupied by Satan and his angels during the 1000 years that the saved are in heaven.
Jeremiah the prophet, gave a chilling account of the earth during the 1000 years:
"The slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, nor gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground." Jeremiah 25:33.
"I beheld, and lo, there was no man." Jeremiah 4:25
It is impossible for anybody left on the earth to repent, because they will all be killed by the Brightness of the Coming of Jesus.
"With the breath of His lips shall He slay the wicked." Isaiah11:4
"When the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flameing fire taking vengeance on them that know not God." 2 Thessalonians 1;7,8
"Let the wicked perish at the presence of God." Psalm 68:2
"but the rest of the dead lived not again until the 1000 years were finished." Revelation 20:5
"Behold He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him." Revelation 1:7
"The Lord Himself shall descend with a shout,....and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air." 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17
"And there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great."
"And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent. ( 60- 100 pound hailstones) Rev 16:18,20,21
No humans will be alive on earth during the 1000 years.. The planet will be in total darkness.
"I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form and void. And the heavens, they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and indeed they trembled. And all the hills moved back and forth. I beheld, and indeed there was no man. And all the birds of heaven had fled. I beheld, and the fruitful plain was a wilderness. And all it's cities were broken down, At the presence of the Lord By His fierce anger."
When Jesus stops making intercession on behalf of the Saints, He will take off His Priestly Garments, and put on His Garments of War. Then, He is coming back...And those who are not able to stand,, will be killed by the brightness of His Coming!
- Jesus will return to collect His flock i.e. the 144,000 plus the saved dead ones, visibly, and not a secret rapture.
Rev. 1:7 - “Behold, he cometh with clouds, and every eye shall see Him.”
1 Thes. 4:16 – “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
Rev. 14:1 - “And I looked, and lo, a Lamb stood on the Mount Sion, and with him an hundred and forty four thousand having his Fathers name written in their foreheads.
- There are two groups that will be resurrected.
Rev. 20:6 - “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ and shall reign with Him a thousand years.”
Dan 12:2 – “And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
John 5:28-29 – “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
- Satan is then bound for 1000 years, the symbolic Sabbath, the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] thousand years after creation.
2 Pet 3:8 – “But, beloved, be not ignorant of the one thing, that one day with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”
Although nothing is said regarding Satan’s angels during the 1000 year period, it can be assumed that Satan’s angels as well as the unsaved living humans will still be on this earth and will be active in their evil doings for the 1000 year period. As the doors of probation have closed, there will be no chance for the unsaved humans to repent and be saved. It can also be assumed that God’s angels will be in heaven during this period as there will be no work for them on this earth.
- The saved ones will judge the angels during the 1000-year period, in heaven.
Rev. 20:4 – “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.” This confirms that Jesus Christ will not be on this earth for that 1000 year period. It therefore also means that there cannot be a peace plan on this earth during that 1000 year period. This also confirms that the resurrected saved ones will be with Jesus Christ.
- After 1000 years Jerusalem comes down from heaven to earth.
Rev. 21:10 – “And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God.”
Heb. 12:22 – “But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the Living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels.”
6. God and Jesus will live with the people in the New Jerusalem.
Rev. 21:3 – “And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.”
Zech. 8:3 – “Thus saith the Lord; I am retuned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the Lord of hosts the holy mountain.”
- The dead unsaved ones will be resurrected.
- Satan plus the resurrected unsaved gather together for the march towards the New Jerusalem.
- Final destruction of Satan and his followers.
Zeph. 3:8 – “Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the Lord, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.”
2 Pet 3:12 – “Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat.” This is very similar to Noah’s case where the Ark (the saved ones inside) was floating on water and now the New Jerusalem (the saved ones inside) will be floating on the lava. In both cases the unsaved will be totally destroyed.
- Earth will be recreated to a New Earth.
- Counsel of peace between God and Jesus Christ, the high priest and Son of God.
Zech 6:13 – “Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne; and the counsel of peace between them both.” Please note the ‘both’word at the end of the text which implicates that only two entities, God the Father and His son Jesus Christ, exists . There will be no other third party to the God-head on the New Earth.
We are not to add or take away from scripture. We are also told what will happen in prophecy but not how or when. All this reasoning of how if one thing is so it means that another is so does not always work in learning of God's ways. God tells us exactly what we are to know. We are to know we can trust God to save us for eternal life, it is enough.
I will address your questions/statements as best I can.
"The Lord Himself shall descend with a shout,....and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air." 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17"Behold He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him." Revelation 1:7
With the first coming of the Lord, every eye shall see Him on the cloud. People will still realize that some of their friends and family were taken up and they are still on earth. This is after they have seen Jesus Christ on the cloud which means that they are not dead yet and Jesus' brightness did not kill them.
When Jesus shows up,, His mere presence will kill all unsaved humans on this earth.
The Bible does not quote the fact that it will happen. It merely states that it could happen. This could also refer to the time just before the destruction of the unsaved AFTER THE SECOND COMING, after the 1000 years.
The earth will only be occupied by Satan and his angels during the 1000 years that the saved are in heaven.
Satan will be chained 'alone' in a pit of darkness. He will be separated from his angels and there will be no communication between them.
Jeremiah the prophet, gave a chilling account of the earth during the 1000 years:
"The slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, nor gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground." Jeremiah 25:33.
"I beheld, and lo, there was no man." Jeremiah 4:25
Is this not just before the 1000 years?
It is impossible for anybody left on the earth to repent, because they will all be killed by the Brightness of the Coming of Jesus.
Refer to my comment above.
"but the rest of the dead lived not again until the 1000 years were finished." Revelation 20:5
Yes, I agree. The REST OF THE DEAD which are all the dead ones from the beginning which were not saved, will only be resurrected AFTER the 1000 years - 'the dead lived not again until the 1000 years were finished'.
The resurrected unsaved dead and maybe living unsaved, not 100% sure, plus Satan, which has just been released from the pit of darkness, and his angels will now gather to plan and launch the attack on the New Jerusalem.
"With the breath of His lips shall He slay the wicked." Isaiah11:4
"When the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flameing fire taking vengeance on them that know not God." 2 Thessalonians 1;7,8
"Let the wicked perish at the presence of God." Psalm 68:2
This will happen after the second coming of the Lord, which is after the thousand years. The unsaved will be devoured by fire and brimstone. Jesus will speak the word and this earth will be destroyed by fire. All the unsaved plus Satan and his angels will be turned to ashes.
"And there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great."
"And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent. ( 60- 100 pound hailstones) Rev 16:18,20,21
This is just before the thousand years.
No humans will be alive on earth during the 1000 years.. The planet will be in total darkness.
"I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form and void. And the heavens, they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and indeed they trembled. And all the hills moved back and forth. I beheld, and indeed there was no man. And all the birds of heaven had fled. I beheld, and the fruitful plain was a wilderness. And all it's cities were broken down, At the presence of the Lord By His fierce anger."
If Jeremiah referred here to the 1000 year period, your statement regarding that there will be no humans alive on this earth could be correct. Thanks for this piece of info. This then also means that the earth will be icy as there will be no sunlight to warm this earth which also means that the earth could then have moved out of it's normal rotation.Any more texts relating to this earth in this period?When Jesus stops making intercession on behalf of the Saints, He will take off His Priestly Garments, and put on His Garments of War. Then, He is coming back...And those who are not able to stand,, will be killed by the brightness of His Coming!
Please supply me the scripture to validate your statement.
"The Lord Himself shall descend with a shout,....and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air." 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17"Behold He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him." Revelation 1:7
With the first coming of the Lord, every eye shall see Him on the cloud. People will still realize that some of their friends and family were taken up and they are still on earth. This is after they have seen Jesus Christ on the cloud which means that they are not dead yet and Jesus' brightness did not kill them.
When Jesus shows up,, His mere presence will kill all unsaved humans on this earth.
The Bible does not quote the fact that it will happen. It merely states that it could happen. This could also refer to the time just before the destruction of the unsaved AFTER THE SECOND COMING, after the 1000 years.
The earth will only be occupied by Satan and his angels during the 1000 years that the saved are in heaven.
Satan will be chained 'alone' in a pit of darkness. He will be separated from his angels and there will be no communication between them.
Jeremiah the prophet, gave a chilling account of the earth during the 1000 years:
"The slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, nor gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground." Jeremiah 25:33.
"I beheld, and lo, there was no man." Jeremiah 4:25
Is this not just before the 1000 years?
It is impossible for anybody left on the earth to repent, because they will all be killed by the Brightness of the Coming of Jesus.
Refer to my comment above.
"but the rest of the dead lived not again until the 1000 years were finished." Revelation 20:5
Yes, I agree. The REST OF THE DEAD which are all the dead ones from the beginning which were not saved, will only be resurrected AFTER the 1000 years - 'the dead lived not again until the 1000 years were finished'.
The resurrected unsaved dead and maybe living unsaved, not 100% sure, plus Satan, which has just been released from the pit of darkness, and his angels will now gather to plan and launch the attack on the New Jerusalem.
"With the breath of His lips shall He slay the wicked." Isaiah11:4
"When the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flameing fire taking vengeance on them that know not God." 2 Thessalonians 1;7,8
"Let the wicked perish at the presence of God." Psalm 68:2
This will happen after the second coming of the Lord, which is after the thousand years. The unsaved will be devoured by fire and brimstone. Jesus will speak the word and this earth will be destroyed by fire. All the unsaved plus Satan and his angels will be turned to ashes.
"And there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great."
"And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent. ( 60- 100 pound hailstones) Rev 16:18,20,21
This is just before the thousand years.
No humans will be alive on earth during the 1000 years.. The planet will be in total darkness.
"I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form and void. And the heavens, they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and indeed they trembled. And all the hills moved back and forth. I beheld, and indeed there was no man. And all the birds of heaven had fled. I beheld, and the fruitful plain was a wilderness. And all it's cities were broken down, At the presence of the Lord By His fierce anger."
If Jeremiah referred here to the 1000 year period, your statement regarding that there will be no humans alive on this earth could be correct. Thanks for this piece of info. This then also means that the earth will be icy as there will be no sunlight to warm this earth which also means that the earth could then have moved out of it's normal rotation.Any more texts relating to this earth in this period?When Jesus stops making intercession on behalf of the Saints, He will take off His Priestly Garments, and put on His Garments of War. Then, He is coming back...And those who are not able to stand,, will be killed by the brightness of His Coming!
Please supply me the scripture to validate your statement.
well, i see the false prophet has been on the job with the spirit of stupidity running rampant. actually i have no problem with anyone following jim jones to drink the koolaid if they're that gullible go for the big ride stupid. I do however have a problem with jim jones,spreading lies to innocents and making them believe a fairy tale for his own amusement.even if he believes the fairy tale with all his heart its still wrong!this rapture business is one of the most devious things that has been perpetuated by the false prophet starting with the little girl who had a dream about it way back when.her father was some muckety muck in the church and it went downhill from there.the Bible is easy if you already have the answer.Now i am not naive enough to think i can change someones mind who is standing on a mountaintop with arms wide waiting on the Lord to whisk them away,however poisoning new comers with this babble is making our job so much harder!the search for witnesses is not an easy task when people think they know the truth.but on the up side don't feel bad the church is just as misinformed.i can't stop anyone from spreading gossip but can only ask as one Christian to another.please figure out WHICH Lord they are speaking of in thess 4/16 and WHEN this catching away occurs.remember Daniel had the same conundrum and passed out from the magnitude of trying to figure it out.nobody said it would be easy.
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Amen.
Matthew 24:37-41 "As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left."
Matthew 24:37-41 "As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left."
You are incorrect. Those who endure are the Jews who endure and survive the tribulation. They are saved when they see Messiah come in glory at Jerusalem to overthrow those who are attempting to destroy Israel.
The church is gone but there are 144,000 Jews preaching the gospel during the tribulation time.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The church is gone but there are 144,000 Jews preaching the gospel during the tribulation time.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Actually, the meeting with Jesus means we return with him to earth, just like in the Greek.
"Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord." 1 Thess. 4:17
ἔπειτα ἡμεῖς οἱ ζῶντες οἱ περιλειπόμενοι ἅμα σὺν αὐτοῖς ἁρπαγησόμεθα ἐν νεφέλαις εἰς ἀπάντησιν τοῦ κυρίου εἰς ἀέρα· καὶ οὕτως πάντοτε σὺν κυρίῳ ἐσόμεθα.
ἀπάντησιν means meeting. The word had the technical meaning in the Hellenistic world of the visits of dignitaries, who would be formally met by the citizens (in this case, Christians) who went out from the city and would ceremonially escort the dignitary (Jesus, in this case) back to the city.
So no where does it say, as the OP says that there will be people "left behind." That was Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye's FICTION books in the 1980's.
"Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord." 1 Thess. 4:17
ἔπειτα ἡμεῖς οἱ ζῶντες οἱ περιλειπόμενοι ἅμα σὺν αὐτοῖς ἁρπαγησόμεθα ἐν νεφέλαις εἰς ἀπάντησιν τοῦ κυρίου εἰς ἀέρα· καὶ οὕτως πάντοτε σὺν κυρίῳ ἐσόμεθα.
ἀπάντησιν means meeting. The word had the technical meaning in the Hellenistic world of the visits of dignitaries, who would be formally met by the citizens (in this case, Christians) who went out from the city and would ceremonially escort the dignitary (Jesus, in this case) back to the city.
So no where does it say, as the OP says that there will be people "left behind." That was Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye's FICTION books in the 1980's.
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No, You are incorrect. God does not send out people to give the gospel just to save jews. It is ANYONE who is saved.
those 144000 are used by God to spread the gospel. Many get saved from them. And the martyres and the two witnesses. These people will be saved also. And if they endure will be saved also.
This raises an interesting question of what is going on in the 1000 year reign of Christ? Christ is on the throne in Jerusalem, the throne of David. All the nations are coming to Jerusalem and making offerings, sacrifices in the temple. Those nations who do not come up each year receive no rain. It is an ideal time of peace and prosperity. There is no natural death on the earth. It is amazing that after 1000 years of seeing Christ on the throne and enjoying the benefits of His blessing some will still not receive Him as Jehovah God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Just how many Gentiles are going to be left after Christ comes to save Israel? Yes any remaining Gentiles who receive the gospel will be saved just like the Jews but the majority will be against Israel and will be destroyed at Christ's coming.
I will go with that as long as we agree that it is the proclamation of the gospel by these 144,000 during the tribulation that brings them to Christ. It is not the endurance but the appearance and believing upon Christ that results in their salvation.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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True. But John sees people from all nations who have been saved. I am sure not all of them were killed. I think alot of them will be saved through Israel.
I agree. they would be saved just as we are. The gospel does not change. Many people say this endurance is what saves us, I disagree this is what Jesus is saying
I agree. they would be saved just as we are. The gospel does not change. Many people say this endurance is what saves us, I disagree this is what Jesus is saying
PROBATION HAS CLOSED for the wicked
both righteous and the wicked are on the earth during the 1000 years
[SUP]Isaiah 65:20
18 [/SUP]But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
both righteous and the wicked are on the earth during the 1000 years
[SUP]Isaiah 65:20
18 [/SUP]But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.