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WomanLovesTX

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How many of modern evangelical church-goers are just going thru the motions of church and worship, feeling that something is missing or a general apathy toward worship and church? Far too many. I will attempt to show that this apathy and emptiness is a result of the practices of the modern church which are in direct contradiction with scripture, and as a result; the Church is reaping a Curse. Stephen was stoned to death because of False accusations of blaspheming the Temple and the Law.

Act_6:8 KJV And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people. 9 Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen. 10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake. 11 Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God. 12 And they stirred up the people, and the elders, and the scribes, and came upon him, and caught him, and brought him to the council, 13 And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law: 14 For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us.

C.H. Spurgeon called by many - one of the greatest Preachers of the 19th century, preached extensively about the role of the Law in the Church: “Now, what has our Lord to do with the law? He has everything to do with it, for he is its end for the noblest object, namely, for righteousness. He is the "end of the law." What does this mean? I think it signifies three things: first, that Christ is the purpose and object of the law; secondly, that he is the fulfillment of it; and thirdly, that he is the termination of it.” Christ the End of the Law - A Sermon No.1325 Delivered on November 19th, 1876, by C. H. SPURGEON

Do Spurgeon’s statements align with Scripture?

The Bible is clear that Stephen was stoned because of False accusations:

Act_6:13-14 KJV And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law: (14) For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us.

The False witnesses said these things; Stephen never spoke against the Law, customs of Moses or that Jesus did away with the Law.

Paul was also falsely accused while in Corinth:

Act_18:12-13 KJV And when Gallio was the deputy of Achaia, the Jews made insurrection with one accord against Paul, and brought him to the judgment seat, (13) Saying, This fellow persuadeth men to worship God contrary to the law.

Paul was again falsely accused at the Temple:

Act_21:27-28 KJV And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him, (28) Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.

What the Bible recorded as the false accusations of Stephen and Paul; Spurgeon and all modern
evangelical preachers have taken these false accusations and twisted them to be accepted as truth - and the basis for hundreds of denominations.

The Bible is very clear about such teachings:

2Pe_3:15-17 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him has written unto you; (16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable twist, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. (17) You therefore, beloved, seeing you know these things beforehand, beware lest you also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.

This is a warning to all believers, not to follow such teachings, or teachers. These same types of teachers are spoken of in Matthew:

Mat_7:22-23 KJV Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me , ye that work iniquity.

Iniquity is an unfamiliar term to most of us. Vine’s Dictionary of New Testament terms
defines iniquity as: “lit., "lawlessness" (a, negative, nomos, "law"), is used in a way which indicates the meaning as being lawlessness or wickedness.”

1Jn_3:4 KJV Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

When the modern church accepted what Spurgeon preached: “that he (Christ) is the termination
of it (the Law)” the Church has adopted the doctrine of iniquity – lawlessness.

What is the logical conclusion to this lawlessness doctrine?

Here is the logical progression of this type thought:

1 Christ terminated the Law.
2 We are under grace, only.
3 We aren’t under the Law.
4 Without the Law there is no Sin.
5 Without Sin all things are permissible.

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My dear sister, the modern church has no idea of what church is. It is a social club. The Holy Spirit is not there. Episcopalians have homo ministers so as to attract more members. Evangelical, denominational churches are drier than a powder house. Nowadays even Pents have become so dry that if you need help, they tell you to see a psychologist. Where is the power of God. Talk about a form of Godliness but denying the power thereof.
 
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Here is the logical progression of this type thought:

1 Christ terminated the Law.
2 We are under grace, only.
3 We aren’t under the Law.
4 Without the Law there is no Sin.
5 Without Sin all things are permissible.
Bogus misrepresentations for the most part.
 

WomanLovesTX

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Bogus misrepresentations for the most part.
So what is sin to you? Do you have any sin in you? Where do your guidelines for living come from?

Psa 32:1 A Psalm of David, Maschil. Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
Psa 32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
Psa 32:3 When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.
Psa 32:4 For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah.
Psa 32:5 I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.
Psa 32:6 For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found: surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him.
Psa 32:7 Thou art my hiding place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance. Selah.
Psa 32:8 I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.
Psa 32:9 Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.
Psa 32:10 Many sorrows shall be to the wicked: but he that trusteth in the LORD, mercy shall compass him about.
Psa 32:11 Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart.


1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Psa 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
Psa 1:2 But his delight is in the law (TORAH) of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Psa 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
Psa 1:4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
Psa 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
Psa 1:6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish
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Deu 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Deu 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
Deu 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.


Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.


1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1Jn 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?


Deu 13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
 
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My dear sister, the modern church has no idea of what church is. It is a social club. The Holy Spirit is not there. Episcopalians have homo ministers so as to attract more members. Evangelical, denominational churches are drier than a powder house. Nowadays even Pents have become so dry that if you need help, they tell you to see a psychologist. Where is the power of God. Talk about a form of Godliness but denying the power thereof.
this is the truth... i see this everywhere i go nowadays women preachers... and a bunch of corrupted stuff
 

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Bogus misrepresentations for the most part.
Yes and full of straw.

Rom 10:4

Barnes:
Is the end of the law - The word translated “end” means what completes a thing, or renders it perfect; also the boundary, issue, or termination of anything, as the end of life, the result of a prophecy, etc.; Joh_13:1; Luk_22:37. It also means the design or object which is had in view; the principal purpose for which it was undertaken; 1Ti_1:5,” The end of the commandment is charity;” the main design or purpose of the command is to produce love; 1Pe_1:9, “The end of your faith, the salvation of your souls;” the main design or purpose of faith is to secure salvation; Rom_14:9, “To this end Christ both died,” etc. For this design or purpose. This is doubtless its meaning here. “The main design or object which the perfect obedience of the Law would accomplish, is accomplished by faith in Christ.” That is, perfect obedience to the Law would accomplish justification before God, secure his favor and eternal life. The same end is now accomplished by faith in Christ.

Robertson:
The end of the law (telos nomou). Christ put a stop to the law as a means of salvation (Rom_6:14; Rom_9:31; Eph_2:15; Col_2:14) as in Luk_16:16. Christ is the goal or aim of the law (Gal_3:24). Christ is the fulfilment of the law (Mat_5:17; Rom_13:10; 1Ti_1:5). But here (Denney) Paul’s main idea is that Christ ended the law as a method of salvation for “every one that believeth” whether Jew or Gentile. Christ wrote finis on law as a means of grace.


Vines:
The end of the law (τέλος νόμου)
First in the sentence as the emphatic point of thought. Expositors differ as to the sense. 1. The aim. Either that the intent of the law was to make men righteous, which was accomplished in Christ, or that the law led to Him as a pedagogue (Gal_3:24). 2. The fulfillment, as Mat_5:17. 3. The termination. To believers in Christ the law has no longer legislative authority to say, “Do this and live; do this or die” (Morison). The last is preferable. Paul is discussing two materially exclusive systems, the one based on doing, the other on believing. The system of faith, represented by Christ, brings to an end and excludes the system of law; and the Jews, in holding by the system of law, fail of the righteousness which is by faith. Compare Gal_2:16; Gal_3:2-14.

Spurgeon being extremely well read I am sure was using 'telos' in the way pointed out above.
 
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The Holy Spirit has left the 501c3 corporate state churches. The pastor is the C.E.O and the bishops are the board of directors. The vast majority have or are falling away, God is sending strong delusion, because they have not a love of the truth. The state is the head, not the Lord Jesus. Gods judgement
 

WomanLovesTX

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Yes and full of straw.

Rom 10:4

Barnes:
Is the end of the law - The word translated “end” means what completes a thing, or renders it perfect; also the boundary, issue, or termination of anything, as the end of life, the result of a prophecy, etc.; Joh_13:1; Luk_22:37. It also means the design or object which is had in view; the principal purpose for which it was undertaken; 1Ti_1:5,” The end of the commandment is charity;” the main design or purpose of the command is to produce love; 1Pe_1:9, “The end of your faith, the salvation of your souls;” the main design or purpose of faith is to secure salvation; Rom_14:9, “To this end Christ both died,” etc. For this design or purpose. This is doubtless its meaning here. “The main design or object which the perfect obedience of the Law would accomplish, is accomplished by faith in Christ.” That is, perfect obedience to the Law would accomplish justification before God, secure his favor and eternal life. The same end is now accomplished by faith in Christ.

Robertson:
The end of the law (telos nomou). Christ put a stop to the law as a means of salvation (Rom_6:14; Rom_9:31; Eph_2:15; Col_2:14) as in Luk_16:16. Christ is the goal or aim of the law (Gal_3:24). Christ is the fulfilment of the law (Mat_5:17; Rom_13:10; 1Ti_1:5). But here (Denney) Paul’s main idea is that Christ ended the law as a method of salvation for “every one that believeth” whether Jew or Gentile. Christ wrote finis on law as a means of grace.


Vines:
The end of the law (τέλος νόμου)
First in the sentence as the emphatic point of thought. Expositors differ as to the sense. 1. The aim. Either that the intent of the law was to make men righteous, which was accomplished in Christ, or that the law led to Him as a pedagogue (Gal_3:24). 2. The fulfillment, as Mat_5:17. 3. The termination. To believers in Christ the law has no longer legislative authority to say, “Do this and live; do this or die” (Morison). The last is preferable. Paul is discussing two materially exclusive systems, the one based on doing, the other on believing. The system of faith, represented by Christ, brings to an end and excludes the system of law; and the Jews, in holding by the system of law, fail of the righteousness which is by faith. Compare Gal_2:16; Gal_3:2-14.

Spurgeon being extremely well read I am sure was using 'telos' in the way pointed out above.
And Jesus said: Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

And John said: 1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Jesus came and showed us that there was a teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees that was after the commandments of men and traditions of men that were making the Father's commandments of no effect. Jesus taught the correct usage of the Law and Prophets, that is why He said He came to fulfill, fully preach and teach, the correct meaning of Torah.

Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Deu 5:10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Eze 11:20 That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
Eze 11:21 But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith the Lord GOD.

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

We are in the last days!! This is why so many are having sight and light and can see the path God has set before us.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

A blessing or a curse? The Word clearly states obeying Torah is a blessing. And when He returns, what shall He find us doing?

Mat 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Luk 12:43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

Luk 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

Psa 119:176 I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.

Luk 15:4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
Luk 15:5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
Luk 15:6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

By the Holy Spirit I am telling you Crossnote, you are a lost sheep and Christ will not stop searching for you until He has found you and brought you back into His fold.

Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.


 
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So what is sin to you? Do you have any sin in you? Where do your guidelines for living come from?
Sin is the violation of GOD's commandments. GOD's commandments are 1) believe into Christ, and 2) love your neighbor as yourself. These are my guidelines.
 

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WomanlovesTX wrote

''By the Holy Spirit I am telling you Crossnote, you are a lost sheep and Christ will not stop searching for you until He has found you and brought you back into His fold.''

I need not say anything more except so this is where 'law keeping' leads. True self righteousness complete with a judgemental spirit.
 
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By the Holy Spirit I am telling you Crossnote, you are a lost sheep and Christ will not stop searching for you until He has found you and brought you back into His fold.
I don't bear witness to this at all. Crossnote is a knowledgeable brother who IMO obviously knows the shepherd.
 

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There is only one true Tabernacle (the word Church is used in it's place as a building), rather than the original word Ecclesia, which means the called out ones.
The called out ones worship in Spirit and at the true place of worship in heaven:
[h=3]Hebrews 8[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]The New Priestly Service[/h]8Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, [SUP]2 [/SUP]a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. [SUP]4[/SUP]For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; [SUP]5 [/SUP]who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”[SUP]6 [/SUP]But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
[h=3]A New Covenant[/h][SUP]7 [/SUP]For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— [SUP]9 [/SUP]not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. [SUP]11 [/SUP]None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. [SUP]12[/SUP]For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

[SUP]13 [/SUP]
In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Read on to chapter nine to verses 15-17 and see this new covenant in place today, not in the order of Aaron, in the order of Melchizadek



[h=3]Hebrews 7:11-12[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]Need for a New Priesthood[/h][SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? [SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.


 

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WomanlovesTX wrote

''By the Holy Spirit I am telling you Crossnote, you are a lost sheep and Christ will not stop searching for you until He has found you and brought you back into His fold.''

I need not say anything more except so this is where 'law keeping' leads. True self righteousness complete with a judgemental spirit.
Torah (instructions) keeping leads to self righteousness? Really? That is a very wicked hearted thing to accuse me of.

Deu 9:5 It is not because of your righteousness, or because your heart is so upright, that you go in to take possession of their land; but to punish the wickedness of these nations that Adonai your God is driving them out ahead of you, and also to confirm the word which Adonai swore to your ancestors, Avraham, Yitz'chak and Ya`akov.

If it wasn't for the new covenant, the Holy Spirit writing the commandments on my heart (the new ark where God's commandments are kept) then I would not know what God desired of me.

Psa 7:8 Adonai, who dispenses judgment to the peoples, judge me, Adonai, according to my righteousness and as my integrity deserves.
Psa 7:9 Let the evil of the wicked come to an end, and establish the righteous; since you, righteous God, test hearts and minds.
Psa 7:10 My shield is God, who saves the upright in heart.

Psa 11:7 For the righteous LORD loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.

Psa 119:142 Your righteousness is eternal righteousness, and your Torah is truth.
 
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Sin is the violation of GOD's commandments. GOD's commandments are 1) believe into Christ, and 2) love your neighbor as yourself. These are my guidelines.

Gods Commandments are the 10 Commandments. The first 4 Commandments pertain to Loving God. The last 6 Commandments pertain to loving your neighbor.

"Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the Commandments of God and the faith of Jesus." (Revelation 14:12)

In the above scripture,, we see that not only are we to keep Gods Commandments,, but also the faith of Jesus!

If you examine Judasim, they keep the Commandments of God,,, but have no faith that Jesus is the Messaiah.

Protestants & Catholics, both have the faith of Jesus,, but they do not keep the Commandments of God, ie. Sabbath

Here in Rev 14:12,, we see a group that not only keeps the Commandments of God,, but they also believe that Jesus is the Messiah!

So,, I think you fall way short when you suggest your two points. "believe into Christ",,,This phrase doesn't make any claim about who the Christ is,, but I suppose you mean that to be Jesus. And you dropped the first 4 commandments: Loving God, Idolatry, Taking the Name of the Lord in vain, Remember the Sabbath day.

You can claim "These are my guidelines",,,,,,But God sets the guidelines to how we are to conduct ourselves and bring glory to our Creator and Revelation 14:12 gives a pretty good description of how we go about doing that.

Happy Sabbath!
 

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WomanlovesTX wrote

''By the Holy Spirit I am telling you Crossnote, you are a lost sheep and Christ will not stop searching for you until He has found you and brought you back into His fold.''

I need not say anything more except so this is where 'law keeping' leads. True self righteousness complete with a judgemental spirit.
I'll make one further (pg) comment on this.
Back in '74 the Lord had delivered me from drugs, witchcraft, the occult, sexual promiscuity,compulsive gambling,and from nearly being a total basket mental case etc. etc., as well as granting me His Holy Spirit changing one from hating and hiding to loving God. He did this out of sheer grace and absolutely no law keeping on my part.
 

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Torah (instructions) keeping leads to self righteousness? Really? That is a very wicked hearted thing to accuse me of.

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In your case Torah instruction did not only lead to passing judgement of what you know nothing of, but you used the Holy Spirit to back up your false accusation.
 

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WomanlovesTX wrote

''By the Holy Spirit I am telling you Crossnote, you are a lost sheep and Christ will not stop searching for you until He has found you and brought you back into His fold.''

I need not say anything more except so this is where 'law keeping' leads. True self righteousness complete with a judgemental spirit.




false prophetess as well.

eh.

people will NOT believe the LORD about The LAW.
 

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Stiffnecked people God does not desire. Strong's H7186 - 1) hard, cruel, severe, obstinate
1a) hard, difficult
1b) severe
1c) fierce, intense, vehement
1d) stubborn, stiff of neck, stiff-necked
1e) rigorous (of battle)

Stiffnecked NT - Strong's G4644 - hard naped, that is, (figuratively) obstinate: - stiffnecked.

Act 7:51
stiffnecked: Exo_32:9, Exo_33:3, Exo_33:5, Exo_34:9; Deu_9:6, Deu_9:13, Deu_31:27; 2Ch_30:8; Neh_9:16; Psa_75:5; Psa_78:8; Isa_48:4; Jer_17:23; Eze_2:4; Zec_7:11-12
uncircumcised: Lev_26:41; Deu_10:16, Deu_30:6; Jer_4:4, Jer_6:10, Jer_9:25-26; Eze_44:7, Eze_44:9; Rom_2:25, Rom_2:28-29; Phi_3:3; Col_2:11
resist: Act_6:10; Neh_9:30; Isa_63:10; Eph_4:30
as: Act_7:9, Act_7:27, Act_7:35, Act_7:39; Mat_23:31-33

(Exo 32:9) Adonai continued speaking to Moshe: "I have been watching these people; and you can see how stiffnecked they are.

(Exo 33:3) You will go to a land flowing with milk and honey; but I myself will not go with you, because you are such a stiffnecked people that I might destroy you on the way."

(Exo 33:5) Adonai said to Moshe, "Tell the people of Isra'el, 'You are a stiffnecked people! If I were to go up with you for even one moment, I would exterminate you! Now, keep your ornaments off; then I will decide what to do to you.' "

(Exo 34:9) and said, "If I have now found favor in your view, Adonai, then please let Adonai go with us, even though they are a stiffnecked people; and pardon our offenses and our sin; and take us as your possession."

(Deu 9:6) Therefore, understand that it is not for your righteousness that Adonai your God is giving you this good land to possess. "For you are a stiffnecked people!

(Deu 9:13) Moreover, Adonai said to me, 'I have seen this people, and what a stiffnecked people they are!

(Deu 10:16) Therefore, circumcise the foreskin of your heart; and don't be stiffnecked any longer!

(Deu 31:27) For I know how rebellious and stiffnecked you are! Here, even while I am still alive with you today, you have rebelled against Adonai; so how much more will you do so after my death?

(2Ch 30:8) Don't be stiffnecked now, as your ancestors were. Instead, yield yourselves to Adonai; enter his sanctuary, which he has made holy forever; and serve Adonai your God; so that his fierce anger will turn away from you.

(2Ch 36:13) He also rebelled against King N'vukhadnetzar, who had made him swear loyalty to him by God; instead, he became stiffnecked and hardhearted, refusing to turn to Adonai the God of Isra'el.

(Pro 29:1) He who remains stiffnecked after much rebuke will be suddenly and incurably broken.

(Act 7:51) "Stiffnecked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You continually oppose the Ruach HaKodesh! You do the same things your fathers did!

Psa 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

Deu 11:26 "See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse —
Deu 11:27 the blessing, if you listen to the mitzvot of Adonai your God that I am giving you today;
Deu 11:28 and the curse, if you don't listen to the mitzvot of Adonai your God, but turn aside from the way I am ordering you today and follow other gods that you have not known.
 

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Stiffnecked people God does not desire. Strong's H7186 - 1) hard, cruel, severe, obstinate
1a) hard, difficult
1b) severe
1c) fierce, intense, vehement
1d) stubborn, stiff of neck, stiff-necked
1e) rigorous (of battle)

Stiffnecked NT - Strong's G4644 - hard naped, that is, (figuratively) obstinate: - stiffnecked.

Act 7:51
stiffnecked: Exo_32:9, Exo_33:3, Exo_33:5, Exo_34:9; Deu_9:6, Deu_9:13, Deu_31:27; 2Ch_30:8; Neh_9:16; Psa_75:5; Psa_78:8; Isa_48:4; Jer_17:23; Eze_2:4; Zec_7:11-12
uncircumcised: Lev_26:41; Deu_10:16, Deu_30:6; Jer_4:4, Jer_6:10, Jer_9:25-26; Eze_44:7, Eze_44:9; Rom_2:25, Rom_2:28-29; Phi_3:3; Col_2:11
resist: Act_6:10; Neh_9:30; Isa_63:10; Eph_4:30
as: Act_7:9, Act_7:27, Act_7:35, Act_7:39; Mat_23:31-33

(Exo 32:9) Adonai continued speaking to Moshe: "I have been watching these people; and you can see how stiffnecked they are.

(Exo 33:3) You will go to a land flowing with milk and honey; but I myself will not go with you, because you are such a stiffnecked people that I might destroy you on the way."

(Exo 33:5) Adonai said to Moshe, "Tell the people of Isra'el, 'You are a stiffnecked people! If I were to go up with you for even one moment, I would exterminate you! Now, keep your ornaments off; then I will decide what to do to you.' "

(Exo 34:9) and said, "If I have now found favor in your view, Adonai, then please let Adonai go with us, even though they are a stiffnecked people; and pardon our offenses and our sin; and take us as your possession."

(Deu 9:6) Therefore, understand that it is not for your righteousness that Adonai your God is giving you this good land to possess. "For you are a stiffnecked people!

(Deu 9:13) Moreover, Adonai said to me, 'I have seen this people, and what a stiffnecked people they are!

(Deu 10:16) Therefore, circumcise the foreskin of your heart; and don't be stiffnecked any longer!

(Deu 31:27) For I know how rebellious and stiffnecked you are! Here, even while I am still alive with you today, you have rebelled against Adonai; so how much more will you do so after my death?

(2Ch 30:8) Don't be stiffnecked now, as your ancestors were. Instead, yield yourselves to Adonai; enter his sanctuary, which he has made holy forever; and serve Adonai your God; so that his fierce anger will turn away from you.

(2Ch 36:13) He also rebelled against King N'vukhadnetzar, who had made him swear loyalty to him by God; instead, he became stiffnecked and hardhearted, refusing to turn to Adonai the God of Isra'el.

(Pro 29:1) He who remains stiffnecked after much rebuke will be suddenly and incurably broken.

(Act 7:51) "Stiffnecked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You continually oppose the Ruach HaKodesh! You do the same things your fathers did!

Psa 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

Deu 11:26 "See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse —
Deu 11:27 the blessing, if you listen to the mitzvot of Adonai your God that I am giving you today;
Deu 11:28 and the curse, if you don't listen to the mitzvot of Adonai your God, but turn aside from the way I am ordering you today and follow other gods that you have not known.
oh, another HRer - hey if it sounds Jewish it's gotta be more speeeeeerteeewl.

ya know what? the stiff-necked ppl were the jews.
the elect remnant was saved.

they became Christians and gathered on the first day of the week and they quit smearing blood on their lintels and whatnot.
try the NT and The Lord Jesus Christ.
 

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WomanlovesTX wrote

''By the Holy Spirit I am telling you Crossnote, you are a lost sheep and Christ will not stop searching for you until He has found you and brought you back into His fold.''

I need not say anything more except so this is where 'law keeping' leads. True self righteousness complete with a judgemental spirit.
no sense in giving what is holy to dogs, or casting pearls before swine. They will attempt to have you for lunch ov'r and ov'r again.