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zone

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I am going to quote Paul here.



2Th 2:8
And then shall be revealed the lawless one, whom the Lord Jesus shall slay with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nought by the manifestation of his coming;

2Th 2:9
even he, whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Most of us understand what being lawless is for we were such before coming to be cleansed by the Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh, therefore we understand the law, first by the Holy Spirit and after by study, that is many of us. There are some who knew of the law previous to having understood by the Holy Spirit.

Almost every time I have posted that the Law is worthy of study, full of wisdom and goodness, some misguided person comes back with asking me why I live under the law, and that is sad. It is either out of ignorance or it is deliberate, and if it is the latter, it is Satan talking.

No person living in the grace given by Yeshua's holy sacrifice can possibly be a slave to the law, for we all who are saved are quite aware that anything other than the Blood of the Lamb is inferior and cannot save; it would be an affront to His sacrifice.

Accusing any who learns from the law of doing that latter also is of Satan, for anyone who is saved by grace wants to know and learn all possible from His Word, for Yeshua is the Word.



and no christians ever read the Law right jack?
no, ill bet not one of us outside the hip HR thing have even cracked the OT once.
what nonsense.
 

JaumeJ

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Why do you continue to label others? You are a Lutheran. Does this make you superior to other denomnations you decry. Yours is no better than any other denomination that requires a name that is not of the faith of Abraham.

What is this accusation that I believe others do not read the law? Do I say that? I have said there is much wisdom and learning in the law.

As for mention of the lawless one, that is what the Beast is called, that is from Paul. You know, the one you quote more than you quote the teachings of Jesus Christ. Check your posts and see.

I find it curious that every time I mention studying the law, you come back with labeling me a Hebrew Roots member. I do not even know where these people can be found, but you certainly do.

If you read what I posted you will see it says nowhere that I am "under the law." I do believe the laws that Yeshua tells us to follow, but you have never paid attention to that. As one mentioned earlier, others do not read all my posts, but you have followed me around enough to know you are a liar when you call me HR.

Do you know Yeshua, Jesus Christ, as your personal savior? I ask because I do not hear this from you ever. Are yo washed by the Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh? I have never heard your confession. I have confessed many times so true brethren know my identification, for this is of the Holy Spirit and by none other.

No, you are the one subject to the structure of a man made theology. I read the Word, the Word is Yeshua, and I believe Him.

You have studied the Word, and you know the Master has instructed all to learn of Him, yet you would rather speak of a dozen others who are not mentioned or foretold within the Word about His Word.

I tell you, Yeshua lived, suffered and died to bring me His gospel, and to all who receive it, not any of your scholar references who have nothing to do with the Word of Yahweh, His Only Begotten Son.

Now woman, what exactly is your problem?


and no christians ever read the Law right jack?
no, ill bet not one of us outside the hip HR thing have even cracked the OT once.
what nonsense.
 
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and no christians ever read the Law right jack?
no, ill bet not one of us outside the hip HR thing have even cracked the OT once.
what nonsense.
No Zone, it isn't nonsense. I have read hundreds of your posts. Say law, OT, or Jew to you and there is a knee jerk reaction: Judaism, not under law, etc. Then comes judgments of people until you couldn't even repeat the Lord's Prayer and be heard. Reading the words of scripture with no understanding of the scripture is not actually reading. I am one of the many people your have tried to send to hell because I believe in all of what God spoke to us, the entire 66 books.
 
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Well this is because they feel empty because modern day church services are focused on man's feelings and not God. Church is not about feeling good or full it is about giving worship and adoration to God. Protestant and Roman Catholic services are centered on emotion you can listen to the voice of the minister to see that. However in the Orthodox Church has worship that is directed towards God the basics of the Divine Liturgy were set by Christ. The Divine Liturgies were written to fit the culture of the people so they would allow the worship to become part of their lives. The answer is true worship. You can listen to Frank Schaffer to hear a more in depth explaination. Frank Schaffer is the son of a another Francis Schaffer an evangelical from the 80's
 

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Well this is because they feel empty because modern day church services are focused on man's feelings and not God. Church is not about feeling good or full it is about giving worship and adoration to God. Protestant and Roman Catholic services are centered on emotion you can listen to the voice of the minister to see that. However in the Orthodox Church has worship that is directed towards God the basics of the Divine Liturgy were set by Christ. The Divine Liturgies were written to fit the culture of the people so they would allow the worship to become part of their lives. The answer is true worship. You can listen to Frank Schaffer to hear a more in depth explaination. Frank Schaffer is the son of a another Francis Schaffer an evangelical from the 80's
Oh yeah, Franky Schaeffer the son of Francis, who went East villifying his father on the way...continually breaking the commandment to honor father and mother. But I do agree with the first part of your post.
 
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zone

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No Zone, it isn't nonsense. I have read hundreds of your posts. Say law, OT, or Jew to you and there is a knee jerk reaction: Judaism, not under law, etc. Then comes judgments of people until you couldn't even repeat the Lord's Prayer and be heard. Reading the words of scripture with no understanding of the scripture is not actually reading. I am one of the many people your have tried to send to hell because I believe in all of what God spoke to us, the entire 66 books.

oh the drama.
i've asked you before to open a thread on the OT and let's discuss it. all of it.
i've asked you before to list the rituals you perform that are so critical for you.
you never do.

if you've read hundreds of my posts, you've seen more OT posted and exegeted than you've ever done.
but, we can change that anytime you want to.
 

zone

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i am going to post Paul.

please tell me if he is railing against the Law:

Galatians 3:21
Let me ask you this one question: Did you receive the Holy Spirit by obeying the law of Moses? Of course not! You received the Spirit because you believed the message you heard about Christ.

Acts 2
36“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?

38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”



Judaizer Heresy 2
36“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?

38Peter replied, “Repent and start obeying the Laws of Moses, every one of you, for they are life. If you keep the Law, you will receive forgiveness of your sins. If you don`t keep the whole Law but stumble in one point, then you can revert to Grace.
I am going to quote Paul here.



2Th 2:8
And then shall be revealed the lawless one, whom the Lord Jesus shall slay with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nought by the manifestation of his coming;

2Th 2:9
even he, whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Most of us understand what being lawless is for we were such before coming to be cleansed by the Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh, therefore we understand the law, first by the Holy Spirit and after by study, that is many of us. There are some who knew of the law previous to having understood by the Holy Spirit.

Almost every time I have posted that the Law is worthy of study, full of wisdom and goodness, some misguided person comes back with asking me why I live under the law, and that is sad. It is either out of ignorance or it is deliberate, and if it is the latter, it is Satan talking.

No person living in the grace given by Yeshua's holy sacrifice can possibly be a slave to the law, for we all who are saved are quite aware that anything other than the Blood of the Lamb is inferior and cannot save; it would be an affront to His sacrifice.

Accusing any who learns from the law of doing that latter also is of Satan, for anyone who is saved by grace wants to know and learn all possible from His Word, for Yeshua is the Word.



Why do you continue to label others? You are a Lutheran. Does this make you superior to other denomnations you decry. Yours is no better than any other denomination that requires a name that is not of the faith of Abraham.

What is this accusation that I believe others do not read the law? Do I say that? I have said there is much wisdom and learning in the law.

As for mention of the lawless one, that is what the Beast is called, that is from Paul. You know, the one you quote more than you quote the teachings of Jesus Christ. Check your posts and see.

I find it curious that every time I mention studying the law, you come back with labeling me a Hebrew Roots member. I do not even know where these people can be found, but you certainly do.

If you read what I posted you will see it says nowhere that I am "under the law." I do believe the laws that Yeshua tells us to follow, but you have never paid attention to that. As one mentioned earlier, others do not read all my posts, but you have followed me around enough to know you are a liar when you call me HR.

Do you know Yeshua, Jesus Christ, as your personal savior? I ask because I do not hear this from you ever. Are yo washed by the Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh? I have never heard your confession. I have confessed many times so true brethren know my identification, for this is of the Holy Spirit and by none other.

No, you are the one subject to the structure of a man made theology. I read the Word, the Word is Yeshua, and I believe Him.

You have studied the Word, and you know the Master has instructed all to learn of Him, yet you would rather speak of a dozen others who are not mentioned or foretold within the Word about His Word.

I tell you, Yeshua lived, suffered and died to bring me His gospel, and to all who receive it, not any of your scholar references who have nothing to do with the Word of Yahweh, His Only Begotten Son.

Now woman, what exactly is your problem?
what was your problem when you injected yourself into a discussion i was having with someone else?

if you would go back to the post i was responding to, you'd see your post has nothing to do with it, or my post.

you label others nearly every post, jack.:)

train wreckers
dog packers
servants of satan
not of the faith of Abraham
man made theology
and so on.

which is funny.
then you act all religious like you'd never do such a thing.

"No, you are the one subject to the structure of a man made theology. I read the Word, the Word is Yeshua, and I believe Him"

oh i don't believe Jesus - why again?
because i can read His Word and other writings as well?
it's been helpful - in identifying destructive movements...which is what i was addressing in my post to someone else..

i quoted peter too...is that allowed?
i'm sure they has Jesus' permission to teach doctrine.
 
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WomanLovesTX

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I've put a couple posters on ignore. So obviously I want be making a response to those.
 

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Homewardbound, I do hope you know I am not directing any post to you, right? My posts are sharing certain of my recent readings with all, from Ezekiel.

This morning I read about the wood from the grapevine being practically useless except for being burned, Ezekiel 15. It is also a reference to what was to come to Jerusalem and the people. What has happened once will happen again. None of this is directed at anyone, but a share of the Torah of Yahweh. God bless you and keep you.............
No Brother no offense is taken from you to me or from anyone else, I just like to be reminded to be co-crucified with Jesus, each and every day, and remembering it all the day long
And singing this song:
This is my Story and this is my Song, praising my Savior all the day long, it keeps me from the flesh mischief.
 

homwardbound

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To address the question asked in this thread "Why do you keep the Old Covenant?" And also "Why do you mix the old and the new?"

To answer, let's define New Covenant. Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


I am an Israelite, by grafted in, by adoption, by Spiritual. I see and understand the Bible from beginning to end with this view point. So the first apostles taught from the Old Testament and they understood who Jesus came for when He said He only came for the lost sheep of the House of Israel. I am not talking here about a physical bloodline of knowing what tribe I would be associated with, no....I am an Israelite and one day we will be assigned which tribe we are to enter the gates through.

The New covenant to me and those who understand the marriage of the Old covenant and the subsequent divorce and now the remarrying through Christ, can obey the Torah because we understand the marriage contract. We don't keep the covenant for salvation...but there is an extreme many see and state here in cc that the law is legalism and grace is everything. It is a perfect balance of understanding grace and obedience out of love. One extreme to the other is off balance.

But unless you accept that you are now part of the commonwealth of Israel, you will not be able to hear and understand. You are missing the boat, so to speak. You need to wake up, like the Ten Virgins do when Christ comes. Unfortunately half of the body of Christ is not going to be ready when He comes.

Who is right and who is wrong? The way I see it for now, we are all on a journey of comprehending the fullness of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God/Heaven that Jesus taught.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

I take God's Word literally and this means even I have been deceived and so I search the scriptures daily for understanding the message so that when Christ returns I want be saying:

Jer 16:19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

Who are the Gentiles? I believe many Gentiles are of the house of Israel while other Gentiles have never had a relationship with Israel. Both are to come into Jesus sheep fold. And both are counted as Jeremiah 33 and Hebrews 8 declares of what the New Covenant is.

I get it why many rail against the law, because they have yet to take that first step of faith in obeying.

What does it mean in Revelations Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

The Gentile Christians fail to see what God calls "my people" and to come out of her is to come out of the Christian Sunday tradition and Christmas and Easter and return to the commandments and laws that prove we belong to God and are of His children Israel. It is through Christ death, burial and resurrection that we are brought back into Covenant with the Father.

My words are now open to you who want to ridicule. I am solid in my understanding and nothing you say about the law being done away with and grace only is how we are to live now, will convince me to stop being obedient through the commandments in the Torah. They are life for they are the very essence of God the Father's character and Jesus Christ our Messiah who reflects the Father.
Thanks for your take on it, and I see the laws written on my heart are the two Laws of Love God's type. and are the fulfillment of the Torah, and see what you say, I believe also and Love you whether you believe or not and yet by this I see your belief and I say AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

john832

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How many of modern evangelical church-goers are just going thru the motions of church and worship, feeling that something is missing or a general apathy toward worship and church? Far too many. I will attempt to show that this apathy and emptiness is a result of the practices of the modern church which are in direct contradiction with scripture, and as a result; the Church is reaping a Curse. Stephen was stoned to death because of False accusations of blaspheming the Temple and the Law.

Act_6:8 KJV And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people. 9 Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen. 10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake. 11 Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God. 12 And they stirred up the people, and the elders, and the scribes, and came upon him, and caught him, and brought him to the council, 13 And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law: 14 For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us.

C.H. Spurgeon called by many - one of the greatest Preachers of the 19th century, preached extensively about the role of the Law in the Church: “Now, what has our Lord to do with the law? He has everything to do with it, for he is its end for the noblest object, namely, for righteousness. He is the "end of the law." What does this mean? I think it signifies three things: first, that Christ is the purpose and object of the law; secondly, that he is the fulfillment of it; and thirdly, that he is the termination of it.” Christ the End of the Law - A Sermon No.1325 Delivered on November 19th, 1876, by C. H. SPURGEON

Do Spurgeon’s statements align with Scripture?

The Bible is clear that Stephen was stoned because of False accusations:

Act_6:13-14 KJV And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law: (14) For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us.

The False witnesses said these things; Stephen never spoke against the Law, customs of Moses or that Jesus did away with the Law.

Paul was also falsely accused while in Corinth:

Act_18:12-13 KJV And when Gallio was the deputy of Achaia, the Jews made insurrection with one accord against Paul, and brought him to the judgment seat, (13) Saying, This fellow persuadeth men to worship God contrary to the law.

Paul was again falsely accused at the Temple:

Act_21:27-28 KJV And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him, (28) Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.

What the Bible recorded as the false accusations of Stephen and Paul; Spurgeon and all modern
evangelical preachers have taken these false accusations and twisted them to be accepted as truth - and the basis for hundreds of denominations.

The Bible is very clear about such teachings:

2Pe_3:15-17 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him has written unto you; (16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable twist, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. (17) You therefore, beloved, seeing you know these things beforehand, beware lest you also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.

This is a warning to all believers, not to follow such teachings, or teachers. These same types of teachers are spoken of in Matthew:

Mat_7:22-23 KJV Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me , ye that work iniquity.

Iniquity is an unfamiliar term to most of us. Vine’s Dictionary of New Testament terms
defines iniquity as: “lit., "lawlessness" (a, negative, nomos, "law"), is used in a way which indicates the meaning as being lawlessness or wickedness.”

1Jn_3:4 KJV Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

When the modern church accepted what Spurgeon preached: “that he (Christ) is the termination
of it (the Law)” the Church has adopted the doctrine of iniquity – lawlessness.

What is the logical conclusion to this lawlessness doctrine?

Here is the logical progression of this type thought:

1 Christ terminated the Law.
2 We are under grace, only.
3 We aren’t under the Law.
4 Without the Law there is no Sin.
5 Without Sin all things are permissible.

Published by 119 Ministries with permission from Awakened Church
How do we position ourselves to be blessed?

Mat 5:1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
Mat 5:2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mat 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mat 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

And then it continues through this chapter and 2 more. We learn these as a child and then forget them as an adult.
 

homwardbound

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cutting - confederacy . covenant . league. These are the varied definitions of the same word used with Abraham, Noah, and the Children of Israel for what is translated every time as covenant from the Hebrew word, brit or ברית.

I believe if one keeps these varied definitions in mind when reading the Word the result could be quite thrilling.

I do know the brit with Abraham was forever, but if I am wrong on this point I would appreciate true understanding passed on to me.

I also know whatever is true taught by the Law is also eternal, but it has nothing to do with the covenant struck with Abraham, because by his nature, Abraham being faithful was counted as innocent. So, help!
Hope this might help shed some light for you to you, only God reveals truth

in the order of Melchizadek, brought in new laws, the Laws of Love, and Christ was not from the order of Aaron, nor that tribe of Levites. Rather from the tribe of Judah
[h=3]Hebrews 7:11-12[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]Need for a New Priesthood[/h][SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 9:15
And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Hebrews 9:16 [ The Mediator’s Death Necessary ] For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Hebrews 9:17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
 

JaumeJ

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Very interesting Homewardbound. My question is on which definitition is applied where, for there are several. I believe I understand, but I would like to hear from one who is able to supply each's useage throughout the Word.
 

zone

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The Bible is clear that Stephen was stoned because of False accusations:
Act_6:13-14 KJV And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law: (14) For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us.




Jesus had decreed desolation on that place.

stephen may not have said it, in which case it would be false accusations - against stephen.

but Jesus did.

as for changing their customs...did Jesus include gentiles in the kingdom?
did Jesus call for men to be circumcised?
did Jesus say all food is good to eat, if eaten with thanksgiving?

if the Son sets you free, you are free indeed.

just don't use your LIBERTY to sin:)

oh sweet liberty.

Romans 3:28
For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

Romans 8:3
For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh,

Romans 10:4
Christ is the culmination (END) of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

oops.
119 ministry just hates this.
they blame antinomianism on spurgeon.
they really mean Paul - who got his message from Christ.


Galatians 2:16
know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified
 

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Jesus had decreed desolation on that place.

stephen may not have said it, in which case it would be false accusations - against stephen.

but Jesus did.

as for changing their customs...did Jesus include gentiles in the kingdom?
did Jesus call for men to be circumcised?
did Jesus say all food is good to eat, if eaten with thanksgiving?

if the Son sets you free, you are free indeed.

just don't use your LIBERTY to sin:)

oh sweet liberty.

Romans 3:28
For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

Romans 8:3
For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh,

Romans 10:4
Christ is the culmination (END) of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

oops.
119 ministry just hates this.
they blame antinomianism on spurgeon.
they really mean Paul - who got his message from Christ.


Galatians 2:16
know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified
I can see the rebuttal now...

2 Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
 

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I can see the rebuttal now...

2 Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
oh i know...like i said, i (we) are just out there burning down the house cuz we is under grace.
just sinning to beat the band. cuz`za grace.

ya sure.
 

crossnote

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oh i know...like i said, i (we) are just out there burning down the house cuz we is under grace.
just sinning to beat the band. cuz`za grace.

ya sure.
Hmm, the pre-emptive strike with 2Pet 2:14 seemed to work. :p
 

homwardbound

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Very interesting Homewardbound. My question is on which definitition is applied where, for there are several. I believe I understand, but I would like to hear from one who is able to supply each's useage throughout the Word.
That would be from God living in you, via the Holy Spirit of God whom you are sealed with, by God from God the very first day you decided to believe God and have been sorting out the truth ever since. My problem of past in the sorting out has been me, the self, wanting it all, and as well hearing and putting Faith in others, rather than asking God to sort it all out and trusting God to sort it all out as I seek God for the below purpose, for I believe truth sets us free, and God is for all, if all will put their faith in God and God's finished work done at the cross of the Son, Jesus Christ our only way to Father since he is the only one that has ever obeyed 100% in the flesh, and this was all done for us, to be set free, from evil and selfishness, but to have God's love spread abroad in us through us, by the resurrected life of Christ, in the Spirit not in the flesh
And is why we are to reckon ourselves dead to sinful flesh and thus after we see this by God we are alive to God, in the new covenant of LOVE from God to all.

[h=3]Romans 7[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]Freed from the Law[/h]7 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? [SUP]2[/SUP]For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. [SUP]3 [/SUP]So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
Praying for the truth all of it to be revealed to you all in God's timing it will be. For it is God that matures us as we do not give up in trust to God.
It is a work, not of Law rather of faith by belief, that we enter into God's rest Hebrews 3 and 4 cover this rest
 

homwardbound

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Very interesting Homewardbound. My question is on which definitition is applied where, for there are several. I believe I understand, but I would like to hear from one who is able to supply each's useage throughout the Word.
There are so many incongruities, that one is annihilated as one reads one part and then another and they do not seem to come together, when in fact all coincides together, and can only be revealed by God to each believer as God sees it fit for that one ready to learn and grow unto perfection in God by God and for God
We are to do nothing or say nothing unless Father says to. Just as Christ did as Chirst was led by God through the Holy Spirit, and we are sent that very same Holy Spirit of God
Day of Pentecost the proof of this. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the depths are unreachable by any human flesh.
[h=3]Ephesians 3:17-19[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, [SUP]18 [/SUP]may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height— [SUP]19 [/SUP]to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.