Catholic Church a Proponent of Doctrines of Demons?

[yahuadah]

Romans 5
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— [SUP]13 [/SUP](For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

Because death spread to ALL men, and because ALL have sinned.

Romans 5 12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— [SUP]13 [/SUP](For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


Yes Adam sinned because he was given a law, the lord told him not eat from the tree of knowledge, but he did so he transgressed that law.

But the gentiles were not given any laws, only the nation of Israel was given these laws and they transgressed the laws.
so Christ had to come and wash away there SINS and make a new covenant for them for transgressing the law.

 

[Imperfect]

i have been made aware not to talk about the catholic religion. but since this is the thread topic and ive used this scripture in many arguments (I Timothy 4:1-5), ill pitch in my $0.02.

catholics do things different than the rest of the christian world. thats why no other christians like them. they worship statues, pray to saints, confess their sins to a priest like he is in some type of position to forgive your sins.

now, about that confession thing, God DOES tell us to confess our sins, even to man... but that does not mean to ONE man.. it can be to anybody, friend, family, etc. it shows your humble and honest. and as we all know, man is not God, and can never be God. we do not have Gods strength, wisdom, train of thought, etc.. so NO MAN is capable of knowing / bearing all these peoples sins. how could you live when daily, people come to you with confessions.. and what type of confessions do they tell these priests? im sure a lot of sexual confessions get discussed. and as man, we know sex / lust is a issue with EVERYBODY.. especially in the catholic church. so my theory is this, maybe these catholic priests have so much lust in them (lets not act like they dont. how many times have they molested kids), is because they bare all those peoples confessions. man can break. i know this for a fact because when i talk about sex, or when somebody else talks to me about sex, it instills lust in me and i have to work to undo that. remember, God tells us to keep everything clean, thoughts, words, actions, etc. and thats for a reason because we are man, we are weak. i dont want to get too much into the religion.

anyway, about the demons doctrines. thats not solely about the catholic church, thats about science beliefs (atheists), people who teach philosophy, different belief systems thats about self like, The Secret, etc. theres all kinds of doctrines that are put here by demons to manipulate man in ways to pull us from God.

 

[Mammachickadee]

Romans 5 12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— [SUP]13 [/SUP](For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


Yes Adam sinned because he was given a law, the lord told him not eat from the tree of knowledge, but he did so he transgressed that law.

But the gentiles were not given any laws, only the nation of Israel was given these laws and they transgressed the laws.
so Christ had to come and wash away there SINS and make a new covenant for them for transgressing the law.

Here's a hint. Adam wasn't a Jew. He wasn't an Israelite. He was a Gentile. Sin affects ALL men, and ALL men are under God's law.

 

[Mammachickadee]

i have been made aware not to talk about the catholic religion. but since this is the thread topic and ive used this scripture in many arguments (I Timothy 4:1-5), ill pitch in my $0.02.

catholics do things different than the rest of the christian world. thats why no other christians like them. they worship statues, pray to saints, confess their sins to a priest like he is in some type of position to forgive your sins.

now, about that confession thing, God DOES tell us to confess our sins, even to man... but that does not mean to ONE man.. it can be to anybody, friend, family, etc. it shows your humble and honest. and as we all know, man is not God, and can never be God. we do not have Gods strength, wisdom, train of thought, etc.. so NO MAN is capable of knowing / bearing all these peoples sins. how could you live when daily, people come to you with confessions.. and what type of confessions do they tell these priests? im sure a lot of sexual confessions get discussed. and as man, we know sex / lust is a issue with EVERYBODY.. especially in the catholic church. so my theory is this, maybe these catholic priests have so much lust in them (lets not act like they dont. how many times have they molested kids), is because they bare all those peoples confessions. man can break. i know this for a fact because when i talk about sex, or when somebody else talks to me about sex, it instills lust in me and i have to work to undo that. remember, God tells us to keep everything clean, thoughts, words, actions, etc. and thats for a reason because we are man, we are weak. i dont want to get too much into the religion.

anyway, about the demons doctrines. thats not solely about the catholic church, thats about science beliefs (atheists), people who teach philosophy, different belief systems thats about self like, The Secret, etc. theres all kinds of doctrines that are put here by demons to manipulate man in ways to pull us from God.

Agreed. Specifically, though, the Bible addresses the "forbidding of marriage" as being a doctrine of demons.

 

[yahuadah]

"Saints" is a Biblical term for Bible-believing Christians. You are not incorrect in saying that saints are the children of Israel... but they are not children of the blood Israel but rather spiritual Israel.
The word “saint” comes from the Greek word hagios, which means “consecrated to God, holy, sacred, pious." It is almost always used in the plural, “saints.” "…Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he did to Your saints at Jerusalem" (Acts 9:13). "Now as Peter was traveling through all those regions, he came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda" (Acts 9:32). "And this is just what I did in Jerusalem; not only did I lock up many of the saints in prisons …“ (Acts 26:10). There is only one instance of the singular use, and that is "Greet every saint in Christ Jesus…" (Philippians 4:21). In Scripture there are 67 uses of the plural “saints” compared to only one use of the singular word “saint.” Even in that one instance, a plurality of saints is in view: “…every saint…” (Philippians 4:21).

The idea of the word “saints” is a group of people set apart for the Lord and His kingdom. There are three references referring to godly character of saints: "that you receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints …" (Romans 16:2). "For the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ" (Ephesians 4:12). "But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints" (Ephesians 5:3).

Therefore, scripturally speaking, the “saints” are the body of Christ, Christians, the church. All Christians are considered saints. All Christian are saints—and at the same time are called to be saints.First Corinthians 1:2states it clearly: “To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy…” The words “sanctified” and “holy” come from the same Greek root as the word that is commonly translated “saints.” Christians are saints by virtue of their connection with Jesus Christ. Christians are called to be saints, to increasingly allow their daily life to more closely match their position in Christ. This is the biblical description and calling of the saints.

How does the Roman Catholic understanding of “saints” compare with the biblical teaching? Not very well. In Roman Catholic theology, the saints are in heaven. In the Bible, the saints are on earth. In Roman Catholic teaching, a person does not become a saint unless he/she is “beatified” or “canonized” by the Pope or prominent bishop. In the Bible, everyone who has received Jesus Christ by faith is a saint. In Roman Catholic practice, the saints are revered, prayed to, and in some instances, worshipped. In the Bible, saints are called to revere, worship, and pray to God alone.

Read more:What are Christian saints according to the Bible?

I kinda beg to differ, because all over the old testament the lord was calling the Israelites his saints.
and anyway to be a Christain was to follow Christ and all the jews who were following Christ at the time were called christains.

Acts 11:26 And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

 

[yahuadah]

Are you kidding? You think Christ came to save just the Jews because only the Jews needed salvation? You need to go back and read the whole Bible.

If your saying I am wrong then show me out of the bible were I am wrong at.

 

[yahuadah]

Here's a hint. Adam wasn't a Jew. He wasn't an Israelite. He was a Gentile. Sin affects ALL men, and ALL men are under God's law.

Read my last statement again, I said sin is the transgression of the law, and Adam sinned because he was given a law, not to eat from the tree of knowledge right?

We were all created by the god of Israel but then he divided all nations then chose one to establish his covenant and laws.

By the way I am not talking about the people in Israel today who Call themselves Jew-ISH, they are gentiles and that's easy to prove biblically and historically.

 

[Mammachickadee]

I kinda beg to differ, because all over the old testament the lord was calling the Israelites his saints.
and anyway to be a Christain was to follow Christ and all the jews who were following Christ at the time were called christains.

Acts 11:26 And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Do some unbiased research on the Bible and you will find the term is for both cases: Jews and Gentiles. God is not a respecter of nationalities.

 

[yahuadah]

Do some unbiased research on the Bible and you will find the term is for both cases: Jews and Gentiles. God is not a respecter of nationalities.

If your calling me bias then your calling god bias because I quoted from the scriptures.

 

[Mammachickadee]

If your saying I am wrong then show me out of the bible were I am wrong at.

I won't disagree (as I have stated several times already) that God calls the Israelites His saints. HOWEVER, several times he refers to believers of no particular race His saints.
If you look at even the individual books of the Bible mentioning "the saints" you will find a majority of them were written to Gentiles. The word "saint" simply means "sanctified or holy"... and every believer is called to be sanctified and holy. This word is often translated as "saint"
To the church in Philippi (Philippians 4:21) "Greet every saint in Christ Jesus. The brothers who are with me greet you."
To the church in Rome (Romans 16:2) "that you may welcome her in the Lord in a way worthy of the saints, and help her in whatever she may need from you, for she has been a patron of many and of myself as well."
To the church in Ephesus (Ephesians 4:12) "to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,"
(Ephesians 5:3) "But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints"

 

[Angela53510]

Here's a hint. Adam wasn't a Jew. He wasn't an Israelite. He was a Gentile. Sin affects ALL men, and ALL men are under God's law.

This is very true! Abraham is considered the father of the Hebrews, not Adam or anyone in between. That is why the Bible always talks about taking a census of the people of Israel or Judah - because the God of the Hebrews was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

"And Joseph said to his brothers, “I am about to die, but God will visit you and bring you up out of this land to the land that he swore to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.” Gen. 50:24

"And he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” AndMoses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God.: Ex. 3:6

"Not because of your righteousness or the uprightness of your heart are you going in to possess their land, but because of the wickedness of these nations the Lord your God is driving them out from before you, and that he may confirm the word that the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob." Deut. 9:5

"loving the Lord your God, obeying his voice and holding fast to him, for he is your life and length of days, that you may dwell in the land that the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.”" Deut. 30:20

Please look at this link written by Jews about who started Judaism.
ABRAHAM - JewishEncyclopedia.com

You need to read Romans 2 about this issue.

"For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. [SUP]15 [/SUP]They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them " Romans 2:14-15

"2[SUP]5 [/SUP]For circumcision indeed is of value if you obey the law, but if you break the law, your circumcision becomes uncircumcision. [SUP]26 [/SUP]So, if a man who is uncircumcised keeps the precepts of the law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision?[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then he who is physically uncircumcised but keeps the law will condemn you who have the written code and circumcision but break the law. [SUP]28 [/SUP]For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. [SUP]29 [/SUP]But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter.His praise is not from man but from God." Romans 2:25-29

Have you even read the NT!!??

 

[yahuadah]

I won't disagree (as I have stated several times already) that God calls the Israelites His saints. HOWEVER, several times he refers to believers of no particular race His saints.
If you look at even the individual books of the Bible mentioning "the saints" you will find a majority of them were written to Gentiles. The word "saint" simply means "sanctified or holy"... and every believer is called to be sanctified and holy. This word is often translated as "saint"
To the church in Philippi (Philippians 4:21) "Greet every saint in Christ Jesus. The brothers who are with me greet you."
To the church in Rome (Romans 16:2) "that you may welcome her in the Lord in a way worthy of the saints, and help her in whatever she may need from you, for she has been a patron of many and of myself as well."
To the church in Ephesus (Ephesians 4:12) "to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,"
(Ephesians 5:3) "But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints"

I agree with you on that, And I see know why your saying the lord called the gentiles his saints too. What you gotta understand is, is that these churches the epistles were writing to Romans Ephesians, Philippians, ,Colossians, Thessalonians etc.. were all scattered Israelites who lived amongst the gentiles and didn't know they were Jews. lets prove that by going into the scriptures.

zechariah 1:19 And I said unto the angel that talked with me, What be these? And he answered me, These are the horns which have scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem.

Matthew 26:31 Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad

James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

The jews who were scattered into all nations were considered as gentiles or strangers because they didn't who they were and would take on the religions and customs of the heathen.

1 Peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

Ephessians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;[SUP]12[/SUP] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

1 Corinthians 12:2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.

do you see what I mean?

 

[RedTent]

I think the entire Christian church needs to go back to the beginning and start over to the days of the apostles. We started going the way of Justin, Origen, and Constantine way back then, we need to follow Jesus and Paul. The Pilgrims came to America because they said so, to get away from the church. I think those throwing stones at the Catholics are living in glass houses, not that I think the Catholics are standing on only bible principles.

 

[yahuadah]

I think the entire Christian church needs to go back to the beginning and start over to the days of the apostles. We started going the way of Justin, Origen, and Constantine way back then, we need to follow Jesus and Paul. The Pilgrims came to America because they said so, to get away from the church. I think those throwing stones at the Catholics are living in glass houses, not that I think the Catholics are standing on only bible principles.

You said "The Pilgrims came to America because they said so" can you expand on what you mean by that?

 

[Shyness]

Gee Whiz, Can One Find Something Better To Do Than Put Down A Religion You Don't Agree With And Leave The Judging Up To God? Matthew 7:1. It Is Not Right To Personally Attack A Class Of People Especially If It Is A Federally Protected Group. Some of These Posts Attacking Catholicism Are Just Made Purely Off Of One Subjective Biased Opinion Without Any Credible Evidence.

 

[RedTent]

Yahu: I read the diary of William Bradford, the governor of the Pilgrims and was so very impressed with the way they believed in making their religion part of everything they did, day to day. They tried to live as they felt God wanted them to in several places before they came to America. What men like Origen, Justin, and Constantine wanted to do was make a brand new religion in Christ, taking the Jewishness out of Jesus. The pilgrims didn't do that. I realize they fell into the being judgmental trap, later.

 

[Shyness]

The Best Thing To Do Is Live And Let Live And Just Agree To Disagree. There Is No Need To Attack Those Who Are Not Doing You Any Harm In Any Way.

 

[Shyness]

Also Know You Cannot Love God While Hating You Neighbor. Those Who Truly Love God Love Their Neighbor Regardless Of Their Religion Or Lack Of (This Also Includes Catholics And Even Nonbelivers).

 

[Shiloah]

If your saying I am wrong then show me out of the bible were I am wrong at.

1 John 2:1-3

1My little children, these things write I to you, that you sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. …

Galations 3:6-28

26For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 2:7-9

[SUP]7 [/SUP]But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
[SUP]8 [/SUP](For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Frankly Yaduadah, there are so many verses that make it clear that all humanity needs a savior, I don't know where to start. I'm sure I already posted some on this thread. We're all descendents of Adam anyway. If we believe that we all know the difference between right and wrong, why in the world wouldn't we be responsible for doing right and responsible for our sins when we do wrong? Again, we're all fallen. Have you ever met anyone that doesn't know without being told that murder is wrong? We all know in our hearts what is right and wrong. That's the difference between us and the animals.

 

[Shiloah]

Here it is again Yaduadah. Read it. These verses obviously speak of both gentiles and Jews concerning salvation.

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1I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3“Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”[SUP]a[/SUP] ? 4And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[SUP]b[/SUP] 5So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
7What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8as it is written:
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.”[SUP]c[/SUP]
9And David says:
“May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
10May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever.”[SUP]d[/SUP]

Ingrafted Branches

11Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!
13I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
All Israel Will Be Saved
25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26and in this way[SUP]e[/SUP] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27And this is[SUP]f[/SUP] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[SUP]g[/SUP]
28As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[SUP]h[/SUP] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
33Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and[SUP]i[/SUP] knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
34“Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?”[SUP]j[/SUP]
35“Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”[SUP]k[/SUP]
36For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.