Blessed or Cursed?

[homwardbound]

Stiffnecked people God does not desire. Strong's H7186 - 1) hard, cruel, severe, obstinate
1a) hard, difficult
1b) severe
1c) fierce, intense, vehement
1d) stubborn, stiff of neck, stiff-necked
1e) rigorous (of battle)

Stiffnecked NT - Strong's G4644 - hard naped, that is, (figuratively) obstinate: - stiffnecked.

Act 7:51
stiffnecked: Exo_32:9, Exo_33:3, Exo_33:5, Exo_34:9; Deu_9:6, Deu_9:13, Deu_31:27; 2Ch_30:8; Neh_9:16; Psa_75:5; Psa_78:8; Isa_48:4; Jer_17:23; Eze_2:4; Zec_7:11-12
uncircumcised: Lev_26:41; Deu_10:16, Deu_30:6; Jer_4:4, Jer_6:10, Jer_9:25-26; Eze_44:7, Eze_44:9; Rom_2:25, Rom_2:28-29; Phi_3:3; Col_2:11
resist: Act_6:10; Neh_9:30; Isa_63:10; Eph_4:30
as: Act_7:9, Act_7:27, Act_7:35, Act_7:39; Mat_23:31-33

(Exo 32:9) Adonai continued speaking to Moshe: "I have been watching these people; and you can see how stiffnecked they are.

(Exo 33:3) You will go to a land flowing with milk and honey; but I myself will not go with you, because you are such a stiffnecked people that I might destroy you on the way."

(Exo 33:5) Adonai said to Moshe, "Tell the people of Isra'el, 'You are a stiffnecked people! If I were to go up with you for even one moment, I would exterminate you! Now, keep your ornaments off; then I will decide what to do to you.' "

(Exo 34:9) and said, "If I have now found favor in your view, Adonai, then please let Adonai go with us, even though they are a stiffnecked people; and pardon our offenses and our sin; and take us as your possession."

(Deu 9:6) Therefore, understand that it is not for your righteousness that Adonai your God is giving you this good land to possess. "For you are a stiffnecked people!

(Deu 9:13) Moreover, Adonai said to me, 'I have seen this people, and what a stiffnecked people they are!

(Deu 10:16) Therefore, circumcise the foreskin of your heart; and don't be stiffnecked any longer!

(Deu 31:27) For I know how rebellious and stiffnecked you are! Here, even while I am still alive with you today, you have rebelled against Adonai; so how much more will you do so after my death?

(2Ch 30:8) Don't be stiffnecked now, as your ancestors were. Instead, yield yourselves to Adonai; enter his sanctuary, which he has made holy forever; and serve Adonai your God; so that his fierce anger will turn away from you.

(2Ch 36:13) He also rebelled against King N'vukhadnetzar, who had made him swear loyalty to him by God; instead, he became stiffnecked and hardhearted, refusing to turn to Adonai the God of Isra'el.

(Pro 29:1) He who remains stiffnecked after much rebuke will be suddenly and incurably broken.

(Act 7:51) "Stiffnecked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You continually oppose the Ruach HaKodesh! You do the same things your fathers did!

Psa 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

Deu 11:26 "See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse —
Deu 11:27 the blessing, if you listen to the mitzvot of Adonai your God that I am giving you today;
Deu 11:28 and the curse, if you don't listen to the mitzvot of Adonai your God, but turn aside from the way I am ordering you today and follow other gods that you have not known.

God just love period shown to us by Christ, and thus change takes place from stress to rest, and trusting God in what God did for us by God's Mercy through the cross, go ahead and mix the two or believe in the one without the other.
But God wants :
Hosea 6:6 For I desire mercy and not sacrifice, And the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Matthew 9:13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance
Matthew 12:7 But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless.

Love you by God's love from God to you, Mercy I have received, so Mercy shall I give
[h=3]Matthew 18:22-35[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]22 [/SUP]Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Therefore the kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And when he had begun to settle accounts, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But as he was not able to pay, his master commanded that he be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and that payment be made. [SUP]26 [/SUP]The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, ‘Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’ [SUP]27 [/SUP]Then the master of that servant was moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]“But that servant went out and found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii; and he laid hands on him and took him by the throat, saying, ‘Pay me what you owe!’ [SUP]29 [/SUP]So his fellow servant fell down at his feet and begged him, saying, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’ [SUP]30 [/SUP]And he would not, but went and threw him into prison till he should pay the debt. [SUP]31 [/SUP]So when his fellow servants saw what had been done, they were very grieved, and came and told their master all that had been done. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. [SUP]33 [/SUP]Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ [SUP]34 [/SUP]And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]“So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”

 

[JaumeJ]

If one is to continue in the Word in Spirit and Truth there does come a time when he must recognize clearly that if someone who claims to be a brother in Yeshua does not want forgiveness they cannot be forgiven.

It is the very same for those who go to Yeshua, if they just want the gift of salvation as "part" of their own ways, it is not received, although it is offered for all.

Of course all who believe Yeshua forgive, and that from the heart, when a brother asks forgiveness, but he must earnestly desire it.

I do not know about others, but even if a brother does not appear to want forgiveness,I do pray for him and never do I think in my heart I want that soul lost to the fire.

 

[JaumeJ]

There have been such people who seem to be preaching but in reality are ravening beasts. Our Father has warned them on many occasions such as this educational quote from Ezekiel.

Eze 13:19
And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?

Eze 13:20
Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.

 

[homwardbound]

I don't have that kind of heart. I am where I am today because others prayed for me to receive truth. All I can do is the same and pray for others, that they may grow and be strengthened in the Lord. I can't call a man a dog. I don't want to be like the Pharisees who would not associate with anyone who was not in their "group".

Act 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

I might be wrong, but as long as Jesus tarries, there is still hope for all people to come into the faith of Christ. I know the Word says not all will, but I can't judge who will or will not. For now the wheat and tares must grow together and at the harvest they will be separated. Jesus is our example of who He hung with. They didn't fully understand Christ teaching until they received the Holy Spirit. Same today. We cannot fully understand without the law being written on our hearts.

In the meantime, iron sharpens iron. These debates and discussions are healthy, in my opinion.

Now one other thing is Christ's last commandment before He ascended to heaven. Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus said teach them to observe all things that I have commanded you. What did Jesus command? He showed us the true way to observe Torah, not by just the letter or with added commandments as the Pharisee and Saducee did, but understanding the spirit of the law.

I am seeing you at the picket line of the flesh, not wanting you to cross over and worship God only in Spirit and truth, as you are seeing Spirit, and having trouble crossing over and staying crossed over from death to life.
I am elated you are striving to serve God
Now this is what I see happening to you as has and does happen to us all being in unredeemed flesh

[h=3]Romans 7[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]Freed from the Law[/h]7 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? [SUP]2 [/SUP]For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. [SUP]3[/SUP]So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
[h=3]Sin’s Advantage in the Law[/h][SUP]7 [/SUP]What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. [SUP]9 [/SUP]I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
[h=3]Law Cannot Save from Sin[/h][SUP]13 [/SUP]Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. [SUP]15 [/SUP]For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. [SUP]16 [/SUP]If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. [SUP]22 [/SUP]For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. [SUP]24 [/SUP]O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? [SUP]25 [/SUP]I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[homwardbound]

This is the delusion that you and skinski labor under. The forgiveness of past sins pertains to those sins committed under the old covenant, not your sins before you were saved.

We are now under a new covenant where sin is defined as unbelief and hate.

Thank you fro putting it the way you put it
We are now under a new covenant where sin is defined as unbelief and hate.

 

[PennEd]

How many of modern evangelical church-goers are just going thru the motions of church and worship, feeling that something is missing or a general apathy toward worship and church? Far too many. I will attempt to show that this apathy and emptiness is a result of the practices of the modern church which are in direct contradiction with scripture, and as a result; the Church is reaping a Curse. Stephen was stoned to death because of False accusations of blaspheming the Temple and the Law.

Act_6:8 KJV And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people. 9 Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen. 10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake. 11 Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God. 12 And they stirred up the people, and the elders, and the scribes, and came upon him, and caught him, and brought him to the council, 13 And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law: 14 For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us.

C.H. Spurgeon called by many - one of the greatest Preachers of the 19th century, preached extensively about the role of the Law in the Church: “Now, what has our Lord to do with the law? He has everything to do with it, for he is its end for the noblest object, namely, for righteousness. He is the "end of the law." What does this mean? I think it signifies three things: first, that Christ is the purpose and object of the law; secondly, that he is the fulfillment of it; and thirdly, that he is the termination of it.” Christ the End of the Law - A Sermon No.1325 Delivered on November 19th, 1876, by C. H. SPURGEON

Do Spurgeon’s statements align with Scripture?

The Bible is clear that Stephen was stoned because of False accusations:

Act_6:13-14 KJV And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law: (14) For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us.

The False witnesses said these things; Stephen never spoke against the Law, customs of Moses or that Jesus did away with the Law.

Paul was also falsely accused while in Corinth:

Act_18:12-13 KJV And when Gallio was the deputy of Achaia, the Jews made insurrection with one accord against Paul, and brought him to the judgment seat, (13) Saying, This fellow persuadeth men to worship God contrary to the law.

Paul was again falsely accused at the Temple:

Act_21:27-28 KJV And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him, (28) Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.

What the Bible recorded as the false accusations of Stephen and Paul; Spurgeon and all modern
evangelical preachers have taken these false accusations and twisted them to be accepted as truth - and the basis for hundreds of denominations.

The Bible is very clear about such teachings:

2Pe_3:15-17 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him has written unto you; (16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable twist, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. (17) You therefore, beloved, seeing you know these things beforehand, beware lest you also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.

This is a warning to all believers, not to follow such teachings, or teachers. These same types of teachers are spoken of in Matthew:

Mat_7:22-23 KJV Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me , ye that work iniquity.

Iniquity is an unfamiliar term to most of us. Vine’s Dictionary of New Testament terms
defines iniquity as: “lit., "lawlessness" (a, negative, nomos, "law"), is used in a way which indicates the meaning as being lawlessness or wickedness.”

1Jn_3:4 KJV Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

When the modern church accepted what Spurgeon preached: “that he (Christ) is the termination
of it (the Law)” the Church has adopted the doctrine of iniquity – lawlessness.

What is the logical conclusion to this lawlessness doctrine?

Here is the logical progression of this type thought:

1 Christ terminated the Law.
2 We are under grace, only.
3 We aren’t under the Law.
4 Without the Law there is no Sin.
5 Without Sin all things are permissible.

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I understand how you feel. My family and I recently attended a relative's 1st communion. Growing up a Catholic I was a little more prepared for the hollow emptiness, punch-card mentality, mindless repetition, truly un-loving church aides, and open apathy of parishoners, than my teen children who were genuinely shocked to see all of this. Coming from a non-denominational Church, where you can literally feel the Holy Spirit, love from other members, joy in being there, combined with a usable, Gospel-oriented message, they couldn't understand why someone would choose to attend this type of church.

However I think your characterization of ALL Churches acting ungodly or sinful is totally wrong, and I'd suggest if your Church is one of these then you should find another.

May the love, peace and Grace of Jesus Christ be with you.

 

[homwardbound]

Wrong! Sin is not defined as unbelief and hate.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

To not love all is no different than the Heathen
Mark 12:33 And to love Him with all the heart, with all the understanding, with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
Luke 11:42 “But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone
John 13:35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
Romans 8:37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.
Romans 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
1 Corinthians 8:1 [ Be Sensitive to Conscience ] Now concerning things offered to idols: We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies
1 Corinthians 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
1 Corinthians 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
1 Corinthians 16:14 Let all that you do be done with love.
1 Corinthians 16:24 My love be with you all in Christ Jesus. Amen.
2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died;
2 Corinthians 8:7 But as you abound in everything—in faith, in speech, in knowledge, in all diligence, and in your love for us—see that you abound in this grace also.
Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Ephesians 3:19 to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.
Ephesians 4:2 with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love,
Ephesians 4:15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ—
Ephesians 6:24 Grace be with all those who love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen.

Philippians 1:9 And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment,
Colossians 2:2 that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, both of the Father and of Christ,
Colossians 3:14 But above all these things put on love, which is the bond of perfection.
1 Thessalonians 3:12 And may the Lord make you increase and abound in love to one another and to all, just as we do to you,
2 Thessalonians 2:10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
1 Peter 3:8 [ Called to Blessing ] Finally, all of you be of one mind, having compassion for one another; love as brothers, be tenderhearted, be courteous;
1 Peter 4:8 And above all things have fervent love for one another, for “love will cover a multitude of sins.”
1 Peter 5:14 Greet one another with a kiss of love. Peace to you all who are in Christ Jesus. Amen.

 

[homwardbound]

A New Priesthood is the New covenant. The Old covenant was under the Levitical priesthood.

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Then why are you holding onto the Old Covenant of Law? you see obviously we are in a new Covenant under a new Priesthood and where the change of the priesthood is there must be a change of the Law as well

[h=3]Hebrews 7:11-12[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]Need for a New Priesthood[/h][SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

2 Corinthians 3:7
[ Glory of the New Covenant ] But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,

Hebrews 8:7 [ A New Covenant ] For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.

2 Corinthians 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
1 Corinthians 11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”
Luke 22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.
Hebrews 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

Why are you mixing Old and new, when it is by the Faith of Abraham,, we thus having the same Faith in the order of Melchizadek as Abraham, God promised him and all that believe salvation through Faith that causes God's works of love to all. 430 years prior to Law of Moses ever being put in place.

 

[zone]

Deu 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
Deu 18:16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
Deu 18:17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Deu 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Deu 18:19 Whoever doesn't listen to my words, which he will speak in my name, will have to account for himself to me.

Act 3:22 For Moshe himself said, 'Adonai will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your brothers. You are to listen to everything he tells you.
Act 3:23 Everyone who fails to listen to that prophet will be removed from the people and destroyed.'

1 John 1
The Word of Life
1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life— 2the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was made manifest to us— 3that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4And we are writing these things so that oura joy may be complete.

Walking in the Light
5This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

John 20
The Purpose of This Book
30Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

pisteuó: to believe, entrust
Original Word: πιστεύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: pisteuó
Phonetic Spelling: (pist-yoo'-o)
Short Definition: I believe, have faith in
Definition: I believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: I am entrusted with.

4100 pisteúō (from 4102 /pístis, "faith," derived from 3982 /peíthō, "persuade, be persuaded") – believe (affirm, have confidence); used of persuading oneself (= human believing) and with the sacred significance of being persuaded by the Lord (= faith-believing). Only the context indicates whether 4100 /pisteúō ("believe") is self-serving (without sacred meaning), or the believing that leads to/proceeds from God's inbirthing of faith.


Romans 6:4
3Know you not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Romans 7
Released from the Law
1Or do you not know, brothersa—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? 2For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage.b 3Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress.

4Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. 5For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. 6But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.


i don't know. seems pretty clear that we have been released from the law...if we have come to Christ.
how can we not be adulteresses if we try to be married to 2?



Galatians 3:24
1You foolish Galatians! Whose sophistry has bewitched you—you to whom Jesus Christ has been vividly portrayed as on the Cross? 2Answer me this one question, "Is it on the ground of your obedience to the Law that you received the Spirit, or is it because, when you heard, you believed?" 3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now going to reach perfection through what is external? 4Have you endured such sufferings to no purpose—if indeed it has been to no purpose? 5He who gives you His Spirit and works miracles among you—does He do so on the ground of your obedience to the Law, or is it the result of your having heard and believed:

34 So that the Law has acted the part of a tutor-slave to lead us to Christ, in order that through faith we may be declared to be free from guilt.

- Weymouth New Testament

 

[homwardbound]

ok, so what is passing away? Hebrews 8:13
When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

Thanks bookends
Matthew 23:13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.
Matthew 23:15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

So be wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove

 

[homwardbound]

If one is to continue in the Word in Spirit and Truth there does come a time when he must recognize clearly that if someone who claims to be a brother in Yeshua does not want forgiveness they cannot be forgiven.

It is the very same for those who go to Yeshua, if they just want the gift of salvation as "part" of their own ways, it is not received, although it is offered for all.

Of course all who believe Yeshua forgive, and that from the heart, when a brother asks forgiveness, but he must earnestly desire it.

I do not know about others, but even if a brother does not appear to want forgiveness,I do pray for him and never do I think in my heart I want that soul lost to the fire.

wanting forgiveness and receiving forgiveness are two different things entirely, except one can't have total forgiveness and see it as done at the cross without first wanting it.
It is finished he took it all at the cross first by the death, for forgiveness to all, and when one seeks out this amazing forgiveness and God shows it to you, one moves from death to life in the resurrected Christ in the Spirit of God where one learns that the only way to serve God is by the Spirit of God that hidden man of the heart.
As Paul describes so well in Rom 7
Seeking forgiveness is good, receiving you are forgiven with appreciation, is far better, because when one sees this they see life.
For Paul saw life through death, him dying to self with Christ at the cross, and thus able to see the new life Christ came to give more abundantly in the Spirit of God, by the resurrection from God to us as well as God did for Christ does this for us if we will believe.
[h=3]Romans 6:4[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

 

[homwardbound]

There have been such people who seem to be preaching but in reality are ravening beasts. Our Father has warned them on many occasions such as this educational quote from Ezekiel.

Eze 13:19
And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?

Eze 13:20
Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.

Thank you, and God please let me myself be co-crucified with your Son, so that I might see life in the Spirit, for I know with self in the way, I get fooled by sinful flesh and think I a doing good when I am not
So please show me how to trust in your finished work of the cross and me die daily to sinful flesh, being thus alive to you.
Thank you for I know you will do as My free will you gave me asks, to be set free, for I know you will do it, Thank you, taking this day by day in trusting in you Father through Son

 

[JaumeJ]

Yes, this is why I posted what I posted, but thanks for your elaboration on the theme.

wanting forgiveness and receiving forgiveness are two different things entirely, except one can't have total forgiveness and see it as done at the cross without first wanting it.
It is finished he took it all at the cross first by the death, for forgiveness to all, and when one seeks out this amazing forgiveness and God shows it to you, one moves from death to life in the resurrected Christ in the Spirit of God where one learns that the only way to serve God is by the Spirit of God that hidden man of the heart.
As Paul describes so well in Rom 7
Seeking forgiveness is good, receiving you are forgiven with appreciation, is far better, because when one sees this they see life.
For Paul saw life through death, him dying to self with Christ at the cross, and thus able to see the new life Christ came to give more abundantly in the Spirit of God, by the resurrection from God to us as well as God did for Christ does this for us if we will believe.
Romans 6:4

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

 

[JaumeJ]

Homewardbound, I do hope you know I am not directing any post to you, right? My posts are sharing certain of my recent readings with all, from Ezekiel.

This morning I read about the wood from the grapevine being practically useless except for being burned, Ezekiel 15. It is also a reference to what was to come to Jerusalem and the people. What has happened once will happen again. None of this is directed at anyone, but a share of the Torah of Yahweh. God bless you and keep you.............

Thank you, and God please let me myself be co-crucified with your Son, so that I might see life in the Spirit, for I know with self in the way, I get fooled by sinful flesh and think I a doing good when I am not
So please show me how to trust in your finished work of the cross and me die daily to sinful flesh, being thus alive to you.
Thank you for I know you will do as My free will you gave me asks, to be set free, for I know you will do it, Thank you, taking this day by day in trusting in you Father through Son

 

[WomanLovesTX]

To address the question asked in this thread "Why do you keep the Old Covenant?" And also "Why do you mix the old and the new?"

To answer, let's define New Covenant. Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


I am an Israelite, by grafted in, by adoption, by Spiritual. I see and understand the Bible from beginning to end with this view point. So the first apostles taught from the Old Testament and they understood who Jesus came for when He said He only came for the lost sheep of the House of Israel. I am not talking here about a physical bloodline of knowing what tribe I would be associated with, no....I am an Israelite and one day we will be assigned which tribe we are to enter the gates through.

The New covenant to me and those who understand the marriage of the Old covenant and the subsequent divorce and now the remarrying through Christ, can obey the Torah because we understand the marriage contract. We don't keep the covenant for salvation...but there is an extreme many see and state here in cc that the law is legalism and grace is everything. It is a perfect balance of understanding grace and obedience out of love. One extreme to the other is off balance.

But unless you accept that you are now part of the commonwealth of Israel, you will not be able to hear and understand. You are missing the boat, so to speak. You need to wake up, like the Ten Virgins do when Christ comes. Unfortunately half of the body of Christ is not going to be ready when He comes.

Who is right and who is wrong? The way I see it for now, we are all on a journey of comprehending the fullness of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God/Heaven that Jesus taught.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

I take God's Word literally and this means even I have been deceived and so I search the scriptures daily for understanding the message so that when Christ returns I want be saying:

Jer 16:19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

Who are the Gentiles? I believe many Gentiles are of the house of Israel while other Gentiles have never had a relationship with Israel. Both are to come into Jesus sheep fold. And both are counted as Jeremiah 33 and Hebrews 8 declares of what the New Covenant is.

I get it why many rail against the law, because they have yet to take that first step of faith in obeying.

What does it mean in Revelations Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

The Gentile Christians fail to see what God calls "my people" and to come out of her is to come out of the Christian Sunday tradition and Christmas and Easter and return to the commandments and laws that prove we belong to God and are of His children Israel. It is through Christ death, burial and resurrection that we are brought back into Covenant with the Father.

My words are now open to you who want to ridicule. I am solid in my understanding and nothing you say about the law being done away with and grace only is how we are to live now, will convince me to stop being obedient through the commandments in the Torah. They are life for they are the very essence of God the Father's character and Jesus Christ our Messiah who reflects the Father.

 

[JaumeJ]

OK, the OP, and this will not answer anything but it is directly related.

This morning in my reading I reread how Yahweh told Abraham that the covenant, not covenants, would be through Isaac.

We know he is the child of promess, and we, in turn through Yeshua are the same.

There are many times the word, covenant, is used, but this is in reference to one covenant long before the Law was given through, not by, Moses.

Someone more gifted than I in Hebrew, please let me know, let everyone know, if the words are always from the same root, because the covenant made with Abraham is in the singular, not in the plural, and again, we all know we are also children of promess through Isaac.

It is a curious thought; I know.

 

[JaumeJ]

cutting - confederacy . covenant . league. These are the varied definitions of the same word used with Abraham, Noah, and the Children of Israel for what is translated every time as covenant from the Hebrew word, brit or ברית.

I believe if one keeps these varied definitions in mind when reading the Word the result could be quite thrilling.

I do know the brit with Abraham was forever, but if I am wrong on this point I would appreciate true understanding passed on to me.

I also know whatever is true taught by the Law is also eternal, but it has nothing to do with the covenant struck with Abraham, because by his nature, Abraham being faithful was counted as innocent. So, help!

 

[zone]

To address the question asked in this thread "Why do you keep the Old Covenant?" And also "Why do you mix the old and the new?"

To answer, let's define New Covenant. Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

so....your post prolly should go on to say we dont keep the old covenant since its gone, and we dont mix the two since that would make us adulteresses. we wouldnt believe we had been released from the law. we are mixing.

I am an Israelite, by grafted in, by adoption, by Spiritual.

umm...so the Church is Spiritual Israel, then.

So the first apostles taught from the Old Testament and they understood who Jesus came for when He said He only came for the lost sheep of the House of Israel. I am not talking here about a physical bloodline of knowing what tribe I would be associated with, no....I am an Israelite and one day we will be assigned which tribe we are to enter the gates through.

but in His Mission on earth He only DID go to only the House of Israel - with a few notable exceptions.

and they were indeed a physical bloodline.

so there is no jew or gentile in Christ then...is that what you are saying.

The New covenant to me and those who understand the marriage of the Old covenant and the subsequent divorce and now the remarrying through Christ, can obey the Torah because we understand the marriage contract. We don't keep the covenant for salvation...but there is an extreme many see and state here in cc that the law is legalism and grace is everything. It is a perfect balance of understanding grace and obedience out of love. One extreme to the other is off balance.

you cant keep the Old Covenant contract because that marriage is void.
if youre mixing, youre an adulteress.

if righteousness came by the Law, CHRIST died for NO REASON.
do you know how serious this is.

But unless you accept that you are now part of the commonwealth of Israel, you will not be able to hear and understand. You are missing the boat, so to speak. You need to wake up, like the Ten Virgins do when Christ comes. Unfortunately half of the body of Christ is not going to be ready when He comes.

oh please.
are we supposed to be jewish or NOT.

Who is right and who is wrong? The way I see it for now, we are all on a journey of comprehending the fullness of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God/Heaven that Jesus taught.

right. The Fourth Wave, which is that Israel is the head and gentiles are the tail kinda thing.

Who are the Gentiles? I believe many Gentiles are of the house of Israel while other Gentiles have never had a relationship with Israel. Both are to come into Jesus sheep fold. And both are counted as Jeremiah 33 and Hebrews 8 declares of what the New Covenant is.

this makes no sense on any level.

What does it mean in Revelations Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

that was God calling His people out of earthly Jerusalem before 70AD.

The Gentile Christians fail to see what God calls "my people" and to come out of her is to come out of the Christian Sunday tradition and Christmas and Easter and return to the commandments and laws that prove we belong to God and are of His children Israel. It is through Christ death, burial and resurrection that we are brought back into Covenant with the Father.

what nonsense.

always with the`the Gentile Christians fail to see`

so, you are openly calling for a return to Mosaic Law.

My words are now open to you who want to ridicule. I am solid in my understanding and nothing you say about the law being done away with and grace only is how we are to live now, will convince me to stop being obedient through the commandments in the Torah. They are life for they are the very essence of God the Father's character and Jesus Christ our Messiah who reflects the Father.

Romans 10:5
Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: "The person who does these things will live by them."

Galatians 3:12
The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, "The person who does these things will live by them."

why this is hard to accept i do not know:

Romans 6 - NLT
1Well then, should we keep on sinning so that God can show us more and more of his wonderful grace? 2Of course not! Since we have died to sin, how can we continue to live in it? 3Or have you forgotten that when we were joined with Christ Jesus in baptism, we joined him in his death? 4For we died and were buried with Christ by baptism. And just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorious power of the Father, now we also may live new lives.

5Since we have been united with him in his death, we will also be raised to life as he was. 6We know that our old sinful selves were crucified with Christ so that sin might lose its power in our lives. We are no longer slaves to sin. 7For when we died with Christ we were set free from the power of sin. 8And since we died with Christ, we know we will also live with him. 9We are sure of this because Christ was raised from the dead, and he will never die again. Death no longer has any power over him. 10When he died, he died once to break the power of sin. But now that he lives, he lives for the glory of God. 11So you also should consider yourselves to be dead to the power of sin and alive to God through Christ Jesus.

12Do not let sin control the way you live;a do not give in to sinful desires. 13Do not let any part of your body become an instrument of evil to serve sin. Instead, give yourselves completely to God, for you were dead, but now you have new life. So use your whole body as an instrument to do what is right for the glory of God. 14Sin is no longer your master, for you no longer live under the requirements of the law. Instead, you live under the freedom of God’s grace.

 

[zone]

I get it why many rail against the law, because they have yet to take that first step of faith in obeying.

i am going to post Paul.

please tell me if he is railing against the Law:

Galatians 3:21
Let me ask you this one question: Did you receive the Holy Spirit by obeying the law of Moses? Of course not! You received the Spirit because you believed the message you heard about Christ.

they have yet to take that first step of faith in obeying.

Acts 2
36“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”



Judaizer Heresy 2
36“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

38Peter replied, “Repent and start obeying the Laws of Moses, every one of you, for they are life. If you keep the Law, you will receive forgiveness of your sins. If you don`t keep the whole Law but stumble in one point, then you can revert to Grace.

 

[JaumeJ]

I am going to quote Paul here.



2Th 2:8
And then shall be revealed the lawless one, whom the Lord Jesus shall slay with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nought by the manifestation of his coming;

2Th 2:9
even he, whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Most of us understand what being lawless is for we were such before coming to be cleansed by the Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh, therefore we understand the law, first by the Holy Spirit and after by study, that is many of us. There are some who knew of the law previous to having understood by the Holy Spirit.

Almost every time I have posted that the Law is worthy of study, full of wisdom and goodness, some misguided person comes back with asking me why I live under the law, and that is sad. It is either out of ignorance or it is deliberate, and if it is the latter, it is Satan talking.

No person living in the grace given by Yeshua's holy sacrifice can possibly be a slave to the law, for we all who are saved are quite aware that anything other than the Blood of the Lamb is inferior and cannot save; it would be an affront to His sacrifice.

Accusing any who learns from the law of doing that latter also is of Satan, for anyone who is saved by grace wants to know and learn all possible from His Word, for Yeshua is the Word.