Mark of the beast is sunday laws.

[Kerry]

That is an absolute lie. Seventh day Adventists believe all are saved by grace. They do NOT teach that salvation comes through works. I don't know why I'm wasting my time in here. You people all just lie and slander so you can feel good about yourselves and your bogus beliefs. I'm going to stop this. This is definitely not good for my mind to keep exchanging with people willing to lie like this to make themselves feel good. Goodbye.

Shiloah I said my wifes aunt. I am sure that many 7 dayers place their faith in christ, just as i am sure that many catholics place their faith in Christ. Honey, what I am saying is that the overall teaching of these churches are in direct conflict with the work of the cross. My aunt will not eat pork, She will not attend any church that meets on Sunday or any other day. Her life is governed by law a law that is impossible to keep. Now, my dear sister the word of God is valuable, but we must be lead by the Spirit and not the teaching or traditions of man no matter what denomination or creed we hold to. Shiloah, you are my dear sister in christ and I love you with all my heart and I have been praying for you. I am no greater than you. I know that you love the Lord. Keep seeking Him and He will show the way. I still seek Him and am always in need of Him. He leads I follow as best I can. Not to sound condescending by no means, you are a child of God. Seek, ask, knock. For what it means. I tried to be good and failed and almost said forget it. But, I had a pastor that would not let go. He told me to keep trusting in the cross and nothing else. Not my works, not my obedience, but faith in Him. He set me free and has shown me many things in His word that point to that very thing. My, sister, it is the cross and nothing else.

 

[josh123]

it's about time we discuss this and get down to the solution or what the scripture says

 

[danschance]

do you know SDAs are discussed in scripture in 2 separate places?

Waits for it.....
waits for it.....
waits for it.....

 

[josh123]

still waiting for someone to acknowledge me.. is this the commandments we must keep, it is a discussion don't be afraid to share your beliefs i'm mostly talking to my adventist friends though 20 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Exodus 20:1-17

 

[danschance]

still waiting for someone to acknowledge me.. is this the commandments we must keep, it is a discussion don't be afraid to share your beliefs i'm mostly talking to my adventist friends though 20 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Exodus 20:1-17

I acknowledge you.

but I wont go there again. We have been thru it many times.

 

[josh123]

I acknowledge you.

but I wont go there again. We have been thru it many times.

no we haven't discussed it as yet though we just argue this is right that is right how about we let the scriptures do the talking so i'm still waiting for them to acknowledge me so we can have a nice discussion is the 10 commandments the commands that we must follow

 

[josh123]

lol so no one wants to anwser my question interesting.

 

[danschance]

lol so no one wants to anwser my question interesting.

Post something and then people post something about it if they want.

 

[Christforme]

May I ask you dear brother, which post number did you mention it?

Yes. I just checked it. It's on page 5, post number 8. Thank you.

 

[josh123]

Post something and then people post something about it if they want.

i did i'm asking what is the commandment that we must keep to prove that we love him

 

[danschance]

The Seventh Day Adventists message of legalism, fits in very well with Mormonism. Mormons say "We are saved by grace, after all we can do." Meaning we must first keep the law according to the best they can do and then when they slip they get grace. This is very clearly salvation by works. The emphasis is on external performance and legalism and the work of Christ becomes a footnote.

Did you do your very best today? Yesterday? The week before? The problem with this is we never do our best. We always fall short even by our own standards. This is why we need the work of the Lord on the cross.

 

[danschance]

i did i'm asking what is the commandment that we must keep to prove that we love him

You just stated it. All of the law can be boiled down to as:
1) Love God above all else.
2) Love your neighbor as yourself.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Very true and very sad for those who follow into their false theology.

When accused by the Pharisees of breaking the Sabbath law, Jesus did not point out that he was only breaking the oral tradition. Instead, he made the astounding claim that, just as King David and the priests were ‘above the law’ in certain respects, so he was not subject to the Sabbath law, but Lord over it (Luke 6:1–11; cf. Mark 2:23–28).

The passage in Matthew 12:1–8 reinforces the point by virtue of its position, following Jesus’ call to the weary to find rest in him rather than in the Mosaic law (11:28–30).

In the light of this, Jesus’ taking authority over the Sabbath both wrests it from the legal framework in which it previously stood and realizes the rest which God’s people were always intended to enjoy.

In all three Synoptics, the subsequent miracle is an example of what Jesus’ lordship of the Sabbath will mean in practice: people delivered from the shadow of death and restored into the unblemished image of God.

The Sabbath only features in Paul’s writings negatively. For the Galatians to observe it as if they were still under the Mosaic Law rather than New Covenant moral law would be to descend into gospel-denying slavery (Gal. 4:9–11); for the Colossians to observe it as part of a syncretistic system would be equally fatal (Col. 2:16).

For the Mosaic Law belonged to an earlier era, and since the coming of Christ it is no longer binding (Col. 2:17). Even Sabbath observance ‘for the Lord’ was tolerated only for the sake of those whose faith was weak (Rom. 14:1–12). In short, those in Christ are beyond the jurisdiction of the Old Testament Mosaic Law which has been fulfilled in Jesus.

As God’s perfect human, Jesus lived the Sabbath day for God, releasing his fellow humans from bondage and striving for salvation under the law (e.g. Mosaic Law), bringing them into a new spiritual rebirth in which the moral law of God is written on their heart, bringing them into blessing, and at the last entering Himself into God’s rest.

Ultimately, as Lord of the Sabbath, Jesus made it possible for others to follow him into that rest. This means that the Christian’s task is no longer to keep the Sabbath (Jesus has done that already) as if they were still under the Mosaic Law but rather to believe in Christ and obey Him.

In its final setting, then, the fourth commandment is no longer a commandment for God’s people, but its intent remains. The ‘law of Christ’ anticipates rest by prescribing belief, but now rest has been realized and will have its fullest expression in the gathering of genuine Christians who will reign with the Lamb for ever in the new creation (Rev. 22:3–6).

So sad to see SDA deceived cult members maligning the Word to "prove" their false theology. It's really deception and pride. I agree with you.

actually the seventh day adventist church began with unrepentant millerites...

after miller's prediction that jesus would return in 1844 failed...those who would later become the adventists refused to give up on miller's 1844 date...they reinterpreted it to mean something else other than the return of christ...

the adventists were not given a spirit of confusion for misinterpreting scripture...misinterpretation of scripture has been the -result- of their spirit of confusion...

the sin the adventist churches are being judged for is the very serious sin of false prophecy...specifically the false prophecy of miller and those who followed him...which they have yet to repent from...

 

[Christforme]

You are misunderstanding me. I NEVER SAID THAT YOU GET SAVED BY KEEPIN THE LAW WITH YOUR OWN EFFORTS. That's impossible to be done. In no way can it be done.
You are saved by FAITH.
"It is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast"- ephesians.
But now that you have faith, you don't WILFULLY break His law! True faith is the faith that works by love! And to love God is "that we keep His commandments: and His commandments are not grievous"- 1 john 5:3. I am not telling you to get saved by your own efforts. I am just trying to share with you that you make transgressing the Ten Commandments a light thing. A thing not to be concerned about. Judgement is based at the end on your works! "Behold, i come quickly, to give every man according as his work shall be"- revelation 22:12.
True believers are those that love God and because of their love keep His commandments: "if ye love Me, keep My commandments"- John 14:15.

Please understand what we arw trying to share with you before you argue. This is why as EGW said, that the condition of eternal life is obedience to the Law. This is how it is:
Because wicked, do not keep the law.
Righteous, being righteous by faith, because of the Holy Spirit, keep the Law. They don't keep it by their own power! They keep it by the power of God. Not by their own efforts.
Revelation 22:14 is clear: "Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city".
Just because you got faith now, you don't triffle with His mercy and break His law as if it was some small thing.
What you think of Jesus' command by the way. This was a COMMAN: "be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven as perfect." Matthew sermon on the mount.
So please. You got faith. Now you are supposed to love the Lord with all thy heart and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. Loving God is obeying Him. "He that saith, i know Him, and keeps not His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him"- 1 john 2:4.
Your faith is DEAD if you don't perfect it with works:
"Faith without works is death."- James 2:20.
If you boast to have faith , without works, i will tell you "i will show you my faith by my works"- james 2:18
Suppose that Abraham believed God, but did not venture to leave his family and go to the land of Cannan. How's that believing God?! Suppose that moses believed God, but did not go to egypt to OBEY God in pulling the children out of the land of Egypt. If that's the case, than how can you say that Moses belived God. Well We are saying he believed, how come he did not go to Egypt and obey God's purpose?
Even so "faith if it hath not works is dead".
"Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? -James 2:22"
My faith is being made perfect by obeying His law. You have agreed to the first half of the story. But the second half that tells you that obedience to God is necessary, you throw away. I perceive you do this:
1. You are deceived and have been truthfully ignorant about this fact of obedience to God.
2. You are just arguing back, because the idea of obeying God does not sound "tickling" to your ears. The idea that keeping a day holy for God for His pleasure and purpose you cannot handle, because you want to do YOUR WILL.
It's either point 1 , or point 2. You know your hearts. What TRULY is the purpose of your heart for arguing that you don't have to keep the Law? I shared the verses above. You can't go a shortcut around that! The Bible says so. Now i know that, and i am following what the Bible says. What will YOU do?
"Behold, i come quickly, and my reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work shall be."- revelation 22:12.
When it comes to city of heaven, Jesus wants the purest pure: remember the parable, how he will seperate the sheep from the goats? A small sin, as eating a fruit of the forbidden tree, caused woe and misery and destruction. When the Bible tells you that "the wages of sin is death"- romans 6:23 please believe it. No sin is allowed to enter into heaven. You gotta repent! And true repentance and forsaking sin in your heart! Repent is to change your mind about sin! Well how you are saying you repented, when you are clinging to make it okay to break God's Law? You were supposed to repent! Jesus tells you," by my power, you can bring forth fruit" that was a paraphrasing of John 15:1-5.
Thank you for reading. I hope you see the unreasonablenes that you keep on doing about ignoring basic Bible facts.

 

[Christforme]

Very true and very sad for those who follow into their false theology.

When accused by the Pharisees of breaking the Sabbath law, Jesus did not point out that he was only breaking the oral tradition. Instead, he made the astounding claim that, just as King David and the priests were ‘above the law’ in certain respects, so he was not subject to the Sabbath law, but Lord over it (Luke 6:1–11; cf. Mark 2:23–28).

The passage in Matthew 12:1–8 reinforces the point by virtue of its position, following Jesus’ call to the weary to find rest in him rather than in the Mosaic law (11:28–30).

In the light of this, Jesus’ taking authority over the Sabbath both wrests it from the legal framework in which it previously stood and realizes the rest which God’s people were always intended to enjoy.

In all three Synoptics, the subsequent miracle is an example of what Jesus’ lordship of the Sabbath will mean in practice: people delivered from the shadow of death and restored into the unblemished image of God.

The Sabbath only features in Paul’s writings negatively. For the Galatians to observe it as if they were still under the Mosaic Law rather than New Covenant moral law would be to descend into gospel-denying slavery (Gal. 4:9–11); for the Colossians to observe it as part of a syncretistic system would be equally fatal (Col. 2:16).
For the Mosaic Law belonged to an earlier era, and since the coming of Christ it is no longer binding (Col. 2:17). Even Sabbath observance ‘for the Lord’ was tolerated only for the sake of those whose faith was weak (Rom. 14:1–12). In short, those in Christ are beyond the jurisdiction of the Old Testament Mosaic Law which has been fulfilled in Jesus.

As God’s perfect human, Jesus lived the Sabbath day for God, releasing his fellow humans from bondage and striving for salvation under the law (e.g. Mosaic Law), bringing them into a new spiritual rebirth in which the moral law of God is written on their heart, bringing them into blessing, and at the last entering Himself into God’s rest.

Ultimately, as Lord of the Sabbath, Jesus made it possible for others to follow him into that rest. This means that the Christian’s task is no longer to keep the Sabbath (Jesus has done that already) as if they were still under the Mosaic Law but rather to believe in Christ and obey Him.

In its final setting, then, the fourth commandment is no longer a commandment for God’s people, but its intent remains. The ‘law of Christ’ anticipates rest by prescribing belief, but now rest has been realized and will have its fullest expression in the gathering of genuine Christians who will reign with the Lamb for ever in the new creation (Rev. 22:3–6).

So sad to see SDA deceived cult members maligning the Word to "prove" their false theology. It's really deception and pride. I agree with you.

"It is easier for heaven and earth to pass that one tittle of the law to fail"- luke 16:17
Faith does not release you from your obligation to the law.
"Shall we make void the law through faith, nay, but we establish it."- Romans. 3:31
"Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? God forbid."- romans 6:15
"Whosoever sinneth, transgresseth also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law"- 1 john 3:4
"Whosoever commiteth sin is of the devil."- 1 john 3:8.

Sin is breaking God's Law. Sin is not allowed in heaven. You are teaching me to break God's Law, and according to the Bible, you are of the devil. "Whosover therefore shall break the least of these commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven"- matthew 5:18-19
your theology that the Sabbath was done away does not fit at all. The Sabbath was never done away. The fourth commandment was never done away. Jesus never broke it. Nor will He ever teach men to sin by breaking it.
Hebrews 4, is clear. Paul is talking about the seventh day, which God rested on, when He created the world at the foundation of the world. We enter into that rest, and we harden not our hearts. He that enters into God's rest, cease from his own works, as God did from His, when He rested at the foundation of the world. Mosaic law got nothing to do with the ten commandments. Ten commandments were from the beginning before there even was a Moses on the earth.
"For in six days the Lord, made heaven, and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested on the seventh day, wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it."- exodus 20:11.
Sabbath was before sin. It was not a shadow of things to come. Had adam and eve never sinned, Jesus would have never came to this earth.

 

[Christforme]

Very true and very sad for those who follow into their false theology.

When accused by the Pharisees of breaking the Sabbath law, Jesus did not point out that he was only breaking the oral tradition. Instead, he made the astounding claim that, just as King David and the priests were ‘above the law’ in certain respects, so he was not subject to the Sabbath law, but Lord over it (Luke 6:1–11; cf. Mark 2:23–28).

The passage in Matthew 12:1–8 reinforces the point by virtue of its position, following Jesus’ call to the weary to find rest in him rather than in the Mosaic law (11:28–30).

In the light of this, Jesus’ taking authority over the Sabbath both wrests it from the legal framework in which it previously stood and realizes the rest which God’s people were always intended to enjoy.

In all three Synoptics, the subsequent miracle is an example of what Jesus’ lordship of the Sabbath will mean in practice: people delivered from the shadow of death and restored into the unblemished image of God.

The Sabbath only features in Paul’s writings negatively. For the Galatians to observe it as if they were still under the Mosaic Law rather than New Covenant moral law would be to descend into gospel-denying slavery (Gal. 4:9–11); for the Colossians to observe it as part of a syncretistic system would be equally fatal (Col. 2:16).

For the Mosaic Law belonged to an earlier era, and since the coming of Christ it is no longer binding (Col. 2:17). Even Sabbath observance ‘for the Lord’ was tolerated only for the sake of those whose faith was weak (Rom. 14:1–12). In short, those in Christ are beyond the jurisdiction of the Old Testament Mosaic Law which has been fulfilled in Jesus.

As God’s perfect human, Jesus lived the Sabbath day for God, releasing his fellow humans from bondage and striving for salvation under the law (e.g. Mosaic Law), bringing them into a new spiritual rebirth in which the moral law of God is written on their heart, bringing them into blessing, and at the last entering Himself into God’s rest.

Ultimately, as Lord of the Sabbath, Jesus made it possible for others to follow him into that rest. This means that the Christian’s task is no longer to keep the Sabbath (Jesus has done that already) as if they were still under the Mosaic Law but rather to believe in Christ and obey Him.

In its final setting, then, the fourth commandment is no longer a commandment for God’s people, but its intent remains. The ‘law of Christ’ anticipates rest by prescribing belief, but now rest has been realized and will have its fullest expression in the gathering of genuine Christians who will reign with the Lamb for ever in the new creation (Rev. 22:3–6).

So sad to see SDA deceived cult members maligning the Word to "prove" their false theology. It's really deception and pride. I agree with you.

Paul makes a big difference between, ceremonial laws and Ten Commandments:
"Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. -1 Corinthians 7:19"

Now what do you say to that?
Heresy is bringing back ceremonial laws and sacrifices. Ten commandments have got nothing to do with this.
Revelation 22:14 makes it clear that only those that do His commandments will enter into the tree of life.
"Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right into the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
If we should not keep the Law, why is it that only those that do it, enter into the kingdom? It is really false accusation to accuse us of holding up a false theory. I go with Paul, i will not make the law void by my faith. I will establish it.
Plus the new covenant is writing that law in our hearts and minds. So you are supposed to keep the Law gladly now. The new covenant is writing that law, not on tables of stone, but on our hearts! Now that the law is written in my heart, i can say with joy: How i love Thy law, O God.
"If we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, then there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins"- hebrews 10:26
You don't sin wilfully. You do your best not to sin because you love God, but if you fall into sin, you have an advocate.
"Brethren, theses things i write unto you that ye sin not. And[but] if any man sin we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous."- 1 john 2:1
Your faith is dead if it does not have works: "faith without works is death"- james 2:20.
If you want your faith to be dead so be it. But me i will awake from sin, "awake to righteousness and SIN NOT"- 1 corinthians 15:34

 

[Kerry]

Dang, maybe I missed a law that should obey. Will I go to hell for that? Or should I place mt faith in the work of the cross and not what I can do?

 

[danschance]

Paul makes a big difference between, ceremonial laws and Ten Commandments:
"Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. -1 Corinthians 7:19"

Now what do you say to that?
Heresy is bringing back ceremonial laws and sacrifices. Ten commandments have got nothing to do with this.
Revelation 22:14 makes it clear that only those that do His commandments will enter into the tree of life.
"Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right into the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
If we should not keep the Law, why is it that only those that do it, enter into the kingdom? It is really false accusation to accuse us of holding up a false theory. I go with Paul, i will not make the law void by my faith. I will establish it.
Plus the new covenant is writing that law in our hearts and minds. So you are supposed to keep the Law gladly now. The new covenant is writing that law, not on tables of stone, but on our hearts! Now that the law is written in my heart, i can say with joy: How i love Thy law, O God.
"If we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, then there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins"- hebrews 10:26
You don't sin wilfully. You do your best not to sin because you love God, but if you fall into sin, you have an advocate.
"Brethren, theses things i write unto you that ye sin not. And[but] if any man sin we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous."- 1 john 2:1
Your faith is dead if it does not have works: "faith without works is death"- james 2:20.
If you want your faith to be dead so be it. But me i will awake from sin, "awake to righteousness and SIN NOT"- 1 corinthians 15:34

I've been trying to tell the sabbath creepers about this for a long time and all they do is this:

 

[Kerry]

Man, I must have missed it, I didn't know that I was supposed to bow on a beach, can i get forgiveness for that. I mean a child molester can receive forgiveness. If his heart is right, but dang I went to church on Sunday is there any grace for that. Oh smack guess I'm hell bound for worshipping God on the wrong day. Dang I wish somebody would of have told me before it was to late. I went to hell for praising God on the wrong day. Well you win some and lose some, My bad.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

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