Mark of the beast is sunday laws.

[Michael50]

Well, I don't get my theology from the devil, false prophets, false teachers, or religious cults. I get my theology from a historically sound orthodox exegesis of scripture.

Now you just made a false assertion because I've included a wealth of scriptures and links to scripture refuting the heretical SDA claim in my previous posts.

See here: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/70200-mark-beast-sunday-laws-14.html#post1134400
See here: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/70200-mark-beast-sunday-laws-16.html#post1135012
See here: what Day are we allowed to worship
Etc...

So in addition to projecting your own emotional quotient on me (I'm not insulted but you appear to be), you are saying things that simply are not true.

You have a nice, scripture-ful day by reading the scripture in my posts.

You must be out of your drunk mind if you think I,, or anybody else is gonna read all your slurring dribble.

God gave us a Sabbath,, he says it's the 7th Day. He even gave us a Commandment. The 4th commandment. Read it sometime.

God gave us a Sabbath,, and Satan deceived you into tossing Gods 7th Day Sabbath,, for his counterfiet,,,sunday.

Have another drink,, pass the wine to your children as well... let your whole house drink it.


Your church is blind. That's why you have no idea of what the mark of the beast is...

Your church is blindfolded, drunk, and stumbles like a drunken sailor on liberty in a foriegn port.

Yet, you tell me, I'm wrong,,, Jesus kept the 7th Day Sabbath,, and He is my Example!

 

[Shiloah]

It's an obvious heresy that arose from the false prophets and false teachers of the SDA cult. That is a fact.

Fact number two: You are free to worship God on all seven days of the week not just when the SDA church tells you that you can. If one wants to congregate to worship on Saturday or Sunday, or even Monday they have the freedom under the new covenant to do so. Please don't insult our intelligence or distort the Bible's instructions to perpetuate the myth that Sunday is the Mark of the Beast, a replacement of Saturday. It is not. Worship is a way of life not a particular day of assembly over another day.

The rest of your post is rambling unsubstantiated false assertions defined as opinionated screed (c : a ranting piece of writing). You are obviously deceived, but the choice to remain in your deception is, as always, your own.

Moving along...

I'll move along alright. I can get direct to, and in the name of Christ, I will do so.

The true heresy represented here was exacted and is continually exacted by those who took and continue to take upon themselves the authority to change the Holy Law of God written by God's own hand. You defend those that originally did so and continue to do so, but the truth remains the truth all the same. As Christ Himself said, it will endure forever. You are nothing more than a follower of the doctrines of men who have done exactly what you're doing for many long centuries now, applying and reapplying their wicked expertise to the twisting of scriptures for the purpose of smoothing over their crimes against God's truth.

Again, the true heresy exacted here is represented by those who continually and doggedly defend their position that any man ever has, or ever did have the right to change any law of God, be that Paul the disciple, Constantine, or anyone else on earth. You blasphemy Christ's own words when you curse those that insist on keeping His commandments as Christ Himself instructed us to do if we love Him. In so doing, you curse yourself.

Matthew 5:19

Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

This warning in scripture given to us by Christ Himself is about men like YOU who are doing exactly this right here and now! Again, this scripture is about YOU!

 

[just-me]

Maybe they should have two forums for Bible? One for debating one where no debating is allowed only study.

I started one [h=2]Most of the 4 Gospels are part of the Old Testament[/h]
but it seems most don't have any desire to participate. I think it's on the third page already. By tomorrow it will be on the fourth or fifth page.

 

[Shiloah]

I get my theology from a historically sound orthodox exegesis of scripture.

Definition of exegesis: Critical explanation or interpretation of a text, esp. of scripture.

Definition of orthodox:

1. (of a person or their views, esp. religious or political ones) Conforming to what is accepted as right or true: "orthodox Hindus".
2. (of a person) Not independent-minded; unoriginal: "a relatively orthodox artist".

In other words, you are not an independent thinker. You base all of your reasoning on the conventional biblical interpretations of man. I'm impressed.

Do I need to define conventional for you? Just in case...

Conventional: Based on or in accordance with what is generally done or believed.

 

[john832]

Definition of exegesis: Critical explanation or interpretation of a text, esp. of scripture.

Definition of orthodox:

1. (of a person or their views, esp. religious or political ones) Conforming to what is accepted as right or true: "orthodox Hindus".
2. (of a person) Not independent-minded; unoriginal: "a relatively orthodox artist".

In other words, you are not an independent thinker. You base all of your reasoning on the conventional biblical interpretations of man. I'm impressed.

I'm not.

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[john832]

Definition of exegesis: Critical explanation or interpretation of a text, esp. of scripture.

Definition of orthodox:

1. (of a person or their views, esp. religious or political ones) Conforming to what is accepted as right or true: "orthodox Hindus".
2. (of a person) Not independent-minded; unoriginal: "a relatively orthodox artist".

In other words, you are not an independent thinker. You base all of your reasoning on the conventional biblical interpretations of man. I'm impressed.

Do I need to define conventional for you? Just in case...

Conventional: Based on or in accordance with what is generally done or believed.

I am impressed with sound Biblical exegesis.

 

[Praus]

You must be out of your drunk mind if you think I,, or anybody else is gonna read all your slurring dribble.

God gave us a Sabbath,, he says it's the 7th Day. He even gave us a Commandment. The 4th commandment. Read it sometime.

God gave us a Sabbath,, and Satan deceived you into tossing Gods 7th Day Sabbath,, for his counterfiet,,,sunday.

Have another drink,, pass the wine to your children as well... let your whole house drink it.


Your church is blind. That's why you have no idea of what the mark of the beast is...

Your church is blindfolded, drunk, and stumbles like a drunken sailor on liberty in a foriegn port.

Yet, you tell me, I'm wrong,,, Jesus kept the 7th Day Sabbath,, and He is my Example!

This is one possible interpretation I suppose. Let's look at the Bible.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

8 And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.

So they came together on the first day of the week and listened to Apostle Paul preach. The idea that Paul was under the influence of Satan when he did this is outside of Christianity.

 

[Shiloah]

This is one possible interpretation I suppose. Let's look at the Bible.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

8 And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.

So they came together on the first day of the week and listened to Apostle Paul preach. The idea that Paul was under the influence of Satan when he did this is outside of Christianity.

Does it say that Paul meeting with the other disciples on the first day of the week has anything whatsoever to do with keeping the sabbath? Uh, no. I attend Bible Studies on Wednesday night. Does that mean I'm keeping the sabbath on Wednesday?

 

[john832]

This is one possible interpretation I suppose. Let's look at the Bible.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

8 And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.

So they came together on the first day of the week and listened to Apostle Paul preach. The idea that Paul was under the influence of Satan when he did this is outside of Christianity.

So, Sunday is the only day a traveling minister could possibly preach on? This was actually on the Sabbath. I have done this so many times I'll just let you look up the word week in Strong's.

 

[Shiloah]

My sister, my wifes aunt is a 7 dayer, I am a pentecostal. Most here are Baptist for some reason. The point I try my best to get across. Is the fact that Jesus paid it all and we can do nothing to add to it. Please never place your faith in what you are doing and place it in what God has done for you.

Kerry, are you suggesting that the message of the cross is that after Christ died for us and we accept Him as our personal Lord and Savior, we can do absolutely anything we want--even if it's about breaking the commandments non-stop? Can't you see how that doesn't make sense? What do you think the New Testament is about if not for what believers should now do?

 

[Michael50]

This is one possible interpretation I suppose. Let's look at the Bible.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

8 And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.

So they came together on the first day of the week and listened to Apostle Paul preach. The idea that Paul was under the influence of Satan when he did this is outside of Christianity.

Just because Paul met with the disciples to break bread,,that is TO EAT,, and he spoke about God,, doesn't mean,, change the law of God.....

Did the Apostles keep the Sabbath?

"And paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scripture." (Acts 17:12)

"Paul and his company....went into the synagouge on the sabbath day, and sat down." (Acts 13:13,14)

"And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there." (Acts 16:13)

"And he [Paul] reasoned in the synagouge every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks." (Acts 18:4)

Those scriptures sure make it pretty clear,, Paul and the early church were keeping Gods 7th Day Sabbath!!!

 

[Praus]

So, Sunday is the only day a traveling minister could possibly preach on? This was actually on the Sabbath. I have done this so many times I'll just let you look up the word week in Strong's.

Sending me to Strong's only works if you're a better translator that the team who translated the King James version. This is the Bible discussion forum, so we quote scripture here.

 

[Praus]

Just because Paul met with the disciples to break bread,,that is TO EAT,, and he spoke about God,, doesn't mean,, change the law of God.....

Did the Apostles keep the Sabbath?

"And paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scripture." (Acts 17:12)

"Paul and his company....went into the synagouge on the sabbath day, and sat down." (Acts 13:13,14)

"And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there." (Acts 16:13)

"And he [Paul] reasoned in the synagouge every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks." (Acts 18:4)

Those scriptures sure make it pretty clear,, Paul and the early church were keeping Gods 7th Day Sabbath!!!

Quite a few Bible verses, unfortunately none of them has to do with keeping Sabbath.

Num 28:9 And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof:

10 This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.

 

[Praus]

Does it say that Paul meeting with the other disciples on the first day of the week has anything whatsoever to do with keeping the sabbath? Uh, no. I attend Bible Studies on Wednesday night. Does that mean I'm keeping the sabbath on Wednesday?

Bible studies on Wednesday is not the Sabbath, correct. Sabbath is the day that you sacrifice two lambs.

Num 28:9 And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof:


10 This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.

 

[Michael50]

Quite a few Bible verses, unfortunately none of them has to do with keeping Sabbath.

Num 28:9 And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof:

10 This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.

Sir,, every scripture I gave you contained proof of observing the Sabbath Day:

Acts 13:13,14
Acts 16:13
Acts 17:12
Acts 18:4

Each of those scriptures contain the word "sabbath".

So,,, if you desire to disregard Gods 4th commandent,, I suppose that's your business. As for me and my house,, we shall obey the Lord.

"Blessed is the man... that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it." (Isaiah 56:2)

 

[Shiloah]

Bible studies on Wednesday is not the Sabbath, correct. Sabbath is the day that you sacrifice two lambs.

Num 28:9 And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof:


10 This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.

I think you should look directly at the commandment. Other things were done and still are done on the sabbath, obviously. But they aren't the sabbath law.

Exodus 20:8-11 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

*This is the sabbath commandment. Number #4 of the 10 commandments.*

 

[Praus]

Sir,, every scripture I gave you contained proof of observing the Sabbath Day:

Acts 13:13,14
Acts 16:13
Acts 17:12
Acts 18:4

Each of those scriptures contain the word "sabbath".

So,,, if you desire to disregard Gods 4th commandent,, I suppose that's your business. As for me and my house,, we shall obey the Lord.

"Blessed is the man... that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it." (Isaiah 56:2)

Great, every scripture I gave you says no Sabbath without animal sacrifice. Withholding sacrifice to God is one example of polluting the Sabbath, so Isaiah was right on.

 

[Shiloah]

Sending me to Strong's only works if you're a better translator that the team who translated the King James version. This is the Bible discussion forum, so we quote scripture here.

This is a strange remark. Strong's concordance tells you where in scriptures you can find verses pertaining to a desired subject.

 

[Michael50]

Great, every scripture I gave you says no Sabbath without animal sacrifice. Withholding sacrifice to God is one example of polluting the Sabbath, so Isaiah was right on.

I think you should start your own church.. goodluck.

 

[Shiloah]

Great, every scripture I gave you says no Sabbath without animal sacrifice. Withholding sacrifice to God is one example of polluting the Sabbath, so Isaiah was right on.

Praus, you need to go read the Bible. What you're saying is too off-the-wall to even address. Start with addressing all the verses in scripture pertaining to the 7th day Sabbath. Then we'll talk.