Mark of the beast is sunday laws.
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You know? I would have to respond to this the same as I would concerning what should happen to people who commit adultery after Christ's death and resurrection. What did Christ do about the adulterous woman that was about to be stoned, which was in accordance with the old laws? He sent them away and told her she was forgiven and to GO AND SIN NO MORE. In other words, don't be committing adultery again. The death sentence stopped with Christ's coming. That's true of all sin.
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As for me, When God created everything, there were no sundays mondays etc. On the seventh day God rested from all his work.
I believe that as long as we set aside one day for worship to God, it doesn't matter which day of the week it is. God worked 6 days and rested the 7th, we work 5-6 days and rest on our seventhl. There are a lot of jobs that even as we work we are doing the will of God. Caregivers ( drs. nurses, cna, etc. in ther health care field) and they can't take the time off because the care and life of these people depend totaly on those who perform this work. There are other kinds of things that would make for bad situations if persons didn't work on the week-ends. I believe that God is with us always no matter what we do and when we take the day to worship even though we should worship every day with our praise, prayer, and the way we live our lives.
I believe that as long as we set aside one day for worship to God, it doesn't matter which day of the week it is. God worked 6 days and rested the 7th, we work 5-6 days and rest on our seventhl. There are a lot of jobs that even as we work we are doing the will of God. Caregivers ( drs. nurses, cna, etc. in ther health care field) and they can't take the time off because the care and life of these people depend totaly on those who perform this work. There are other kinds of things that would make for bad situations if persons didn't work on the week-ends. I believe that God is with us always no matter what we do and when we take the day to worship even though we should worship every day with our praise, prayer, and the way we live our lives.
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This question here is what does Christ want from us. Obviously care-giving and nursing fall in the category of pulling your sheep out of the ditch. Those are things that are necessary, caring for people who must be cared for on sabbath is not the same as just working to increase our bank accounts. But again, the sabbath issue is about "what does Christ want of us?" It's not about what we feel about it.
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Under the Levitical Priesthood, there were a number of animals that were considered clean or unclean to eat. Peter, Paul, and the rest of the Apostles were probably very familiar with all of the Dietary laws under the old covenant. Jesus is a Priest after the Order of Melchizedek so it's unlikely in my opinion that the vision had anything to do with actual food.
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[FONT="]Something just occurred to me. I repeatedly see accusations thrown at different denominations on this site. Obviously, this is characteristic of the entire Christian world at this point in time. People are continually told to watch out for this cult or that cult or church, because those churches all supposedly teach false doctrines.
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[FONT="]My answer to that is this: charge right out there and check um out! If you can’t feel free to check the truth out about these denominations, then you’ve got serious problems. By the way, I’m saying check them out thoroughly. If you’re looking on the internet for answers, check out what these denominations themselves say about their own beliefs. There’s always tons of garbage thrown by people at different denominations. Again, you need to question those denominations themselves before you pass judgment on them. Even contact them personally so you can discuss their beliefs with them. Again, if you’re not able to listen to what they say by comparing their claims with scriptures so as to determine for yourself what you think, how do you know what you already think about these doctrines is true? If you don’t know enough about scriptures to determine for yourself these truths, why are you choosing other human beings to determine truth for you?
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[FONT="]If we don’t know the scriptures well enough to understand why we believe what we ourselves believe in all areas to the point that we can defend against all opposition our beliefs by way of scriptures and sound reasoning, Satan and his followers can lead any one of us all over the place and we won’t know the difference. [/FONT]
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[FONT="]My answer to that is this: charge right out there and check um out! If you can’t feel free to check the truth out about these denominations, then you’ve got serious problems. By the way, I’m saying check them out thoroughly. If you’re looking on the internet for answers, check out what these denominations themselves say about their own beliefs. There’s always tons of garbage thrown by people at different denominations. Again, you need to question those denominations themselves before you pass judgment on them. Even contact them personally so you can discuss their beliefs with them. Again, if you’re not able to listen to what they say by comparing their claims with scriptures so as to determine for yourself what you think, how do you know what you already think about these doctrines is true? If you don’t know enough about scriptures to determine for yourself these truths, why are you choosing other human beings to determine truth for you?
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[FONT="]If we don’t know the scriptures well enough to understand why we believe what we ourselves believe in all areas to the point that we can defend against all opposition our beliefs by way of scriptures and sound reasoning, Satan and his followers can lead any one of us all over the place and we won’t know the difference. [/FONT]
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Yes and we're still waiting for you to have "ears to hear" and "study up" so that you repent from your false assertions and gain a genuine exegesis. But at least you appear to be done screeding that we're all a "brood of vipers" for the moment. We'll take that anyways and I don't dance, I just have limited time.
I've already clearly refuted your false assertion that Christians are bound to the old covenant Mosaic Law that God had with the ancient nation of Israel using scripture. Christ stated that He came to fulfill the old covenant Mosaic Law and the Prophets which He did declaring "It is finished." [John 19:30].
Some reference verses: Matthew 5:17-19; Too Slender of a Reed to Support Seventh-Day Sabbatarianism
Yes, it IS finished. From Genesis 15:1–6 it is clear that the patriarchs did not merely put their trust in God (as simple theists); they rested their faith in the “seed” promised to Abraham (in lieu of Abraham’s offer to adopt his Arab servant Eliezer). To this same Lord the psalmist turned for deliverance when he was beset by some unspecified suffering and anguish.
Yet the psalmist’s suffering was merely illustrative of the suffering that would come to the Messiah. What happened to David in his position as head of the kingdom over which the Lord himself would one day reign was not without significance for the kingdom of God. To attack David’s person or realm, given that he was the carrier and the earnest of the promise to be fulfilled in Christ’s first and second comings, was ultimately to attack God’s Son and his kingdom.
Small wonder, then, that this psalm was on Jesus’ mind as he hung on the cross. The so-called fourth word from the cross, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” and the sixth word, “It is finished,” come from the first and last verses of this psalm. Not only is the first verse quoted in two Gospels, but Psalm 22:7–8 is clearly alluded to in Matthew 27:39, 43; Psalm 22:18 is quoted directly in John 19:24 and in part in Matthew 27:35, Mark 15:24 and Luke 23:34; and Psalm 22:22 is quoted directly in Hebrews 2:12. The final verse, Psalm 22:31, is cited, in part, in John 19:30.
The God in whom David’s forefathers trusted, The promised Messiah, is the same one to whom David entrusted his life during times of savage attacks. And those attacks were only a foreshadowing of what the Messiah himself would one day face. But triumph was certain; the dominion of the coming One would be realized (Ps 22:28). Just as God sat down and rested at the conclusion of creation, there would be a day when the Lord would cry, “It is finished!” as the Law and the Prophets were fulfilled and redemption completed. Yet even this would be only a foretaste of the final shout of triumph in Revelation 21:6 over the fulfillment of the new heavens and new earth: “It is done.”
Twisting that to mean Jesus Christ, the Messiah who died for the sin of the world, is going to condemn everyone who worships him on Sunday is patently unscriptural and absurd and people who say such heretical nonsense should be ashamed of themselves for misrepresenting His gospel so.
As Rachel shared, Hebrews 7:18 explicitly states that before Christ can become our High Priest there must first be a setting aside of the former commandment. Christ cannot bring in the New Covenant without making the first covenant obsolete. "But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear." [Hebrews 8:13].
On and on and on it goes... yet you misrepresent verses to try and prove that God's plan of redemption; Jesus Christ's life, death, burial, resurrection, ascension, and gift of God never fulfilled the Mosaic Law and the Prophets even though that's what He came to do as the Bible clearly says repeatedly He did. You are not paying attention to the words of Christ: "It IS finished!"
And Christ didn't write the words you posted "with his own hand." His followers recorded what He did and said. Specifically, though the first Gospel is anonymous, it is clear that it was ascribed to Matthew the apostle by the end of the first century A.D. with patristic tradition agreeing with this ascription. Please DO take an introduction to the New Testament class instead of name calling everyone that corrects you.
Now let's deal with your wrong understanding of Mathew 5:19 yet again but from a different lens. Throughout the Synoptic tradition Jesus combines a profound respect for the ancient commandments of the Law (especially the Decalog) with new and radical words of his own (that are never called “commandments”) that focus or reinterpret the commandments of the Law.
Jesus warns his disciples that “whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Jesus has just spoken of “the Law and the Prophets” (5:17) or simply “the Law” (5:18), both with reference to the Hebrew Scriptures. The “least of these” is equivalent to “any of these” and stands in a long Jewish tradition that resisted all distinctions between major and minor commandments in the Law which the Pharisees were not respecting because they had divided the precepts of the law into lesser and greater teaching that they who violated the former were guilty of a trivial offence only.
But Christ teaches that in his kingdom they who make this distinction should be called least. That's what it's saying in the original language in its proper context. This doesn't translate to your misinterpretation that everyone is bound to the letter of the old covenant Mosaic Law God had with the ancient nation of Israel before Jesus fulfilled it and ushered in a new covenant and you are wrong to teach that it does.
As the Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels asserts, "Yet this appearance is deceptive, for Matthew intends just the opposite. Later in his Gospel, Jesus will say, “On these two commandments [i.e., love for God and love for neighbor] depend all the law and the prophets” (22:40). It is precisely by obeying the two great commandments that a person obeys all the commandments, even the “least” (cf. the so-called Golden Rule of Mt 7:12: “So whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them; for this is the law and the prophets”)."
Is it starting to sink in yet? Do we have a pulse?
Your exegesis is wrong and I would love to keep going and address all of the scriptures you pull out of context (and honestly it's starting to look like you pull almost the entire Bible out of context) into a proper historical and hermeneutical context for you but my a family member has cancer and I have to take care of them in line with Matthew 22:40. Bye for now.
I've already clearly refuted your false assertion that Christians are bound to the old covenant Mosaic Law that God had with the ancient nation of Israel using scripture. Christ stated that He came to fulfill the old covenant Mosaic Law and the Prophets which He did declaring "It is finished." [John 19:30].
Some reference verses: Matthew 5:17-19; Too Slender of a Reed to Support Seventh-Day Sabbatarianism
Yes, it IS finished. From Genesis 15:1–6 it is clear that the patriarchs did not merely put their trust in God (as simple theists); they rested their faith in the “seed” promised to Abraham (in lieu of Abraham’s offer to adopt his Arab servant Eliezer). To this same Lord the psalmist turned for deliverance when he was beset by some unspecified suffering and anguish.
Yet the psalmist’s suffering was merely illustrative of the suffering that would come to the Messiah. What happened to David in his position as head of the kingdom over which the Lord himself would one day reign was not without significance for the kingdom of God. To attack David’s person or realm, given that he was the carrier and the earnest of the promise to be fulfilled in Christ’s first and second comings, was ultimately to attack God’s Son and his kingdom.
Small wonder, then, that this psalm was on Jesus’ mind as he hung on the cross. The so-called fourth word from the cross, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” and the sixth word, “It is finished,” come from the first and last verses of this psalm. Not only is the first verse quoted in two Gospels, but Psalm 22:7–8 is clearly alluded to in Matthew 27:39, 43; Psalm 22:18 is quoted directly in John 19:24 and in part in Matthew 27:35, Mark 15:24 and Luke 23:34; and Psalm 22:22 is quoted directly in Hebrews 2:12. The final verse, Psalm 22:31, is cited, in part, in John 19:30.
The God in whom David’s forefathers trusted, The promised Messiah, is the same one to whom David entrusted his life during times of savage attacks. And those attacks were only a foreshadowing of what the Messiah himself would one day face. But triumph was certain; the dominion of the coming One would be realized (Ps 22:28). Just as God sat down and rested at the conclusion of creation, there would be a day when the Lord would cry, “It is finished!” as the Law and the Prophets were fulfilled and redemption completed. Yet even this would be only a foretaste of the final shout of triumph in Revelation 21:6 over the fulfillment of the new heavens and new earth: “It is done.”
Twisting that to mean Jesus Christ, the Messiah who died for the sin of the world, is going to condemn everyone who worships him on Sunday is patently unscriptural and absurd and people who say such heretical nonsense should be ashamed of themselves for misrepresenting His gospel so.
As Rachel shared, Hebrews 7:18 explicitly states that before Christ can become our High Priest there must first be a setting aside of the former commandment. Christ cannot bring in the New Covenant without making the first covenant obsolete. "But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear." [Hebrews 8:13].
On and on and on it goes... yet you misrepresent verses to try and prove that God's plan of redemption; Jesus Christ's life, death, burial, resurrection, ascension, and gift of God never fulfilled the Mosaic Law and the Prophets even though that's what He came to do as the Bible clearly says repeatedly He did. You are not paying attention to the words of Christ: "It IS finished!"
And Christ didn't write the words you posted "with his own hand." His followers recorded what He did and said. Specifically, though the first Gospel is anonymous, it is clear that it was ascribed to Matthew the apostle by the end of the first century A.D. with patristic tradition agreeing with this ascription. Please DO take an introduction to the New Testament class instead of name calling everyone that corrects you.
Now let's deal with your wrong understanding of Mathew 5:19 yet again but from a different lens. Throughout the Synoptic tradition Jesus combines a profound respect for the ancient commandments of the Law (especially the Decalog) with new and radical words of his own (that are never called “commandments”) that focus or reinterpret the commandments of the Law.
Jesus warns his disciples that “whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Jesus has just spoken of “the Law and the Prophets” (5:17) or simply “the Law” (5:18), both with reference to the Hebrew Scriptures. The “least of these” is equivalent to “any of these” and stands in a long Jewish tradition that resisted all distinctions between major and minor commandments in the Law which the Pharisees were not respecting because they had divided the precepts of the law into lesser and greater teaching that they who violated the former were guilty of a trivial offence only.
But Christ teaches that in his kingdom they who make this distinction should be called least. That's what it's saying in the original language in its proper context. This doesn't translate to your misinterpretation that everyone is bound to the letter of the old covenant Mosaic Law God had with the ancient nation of Israel before Jesus fulfilled it and ushered in a new covenant and you are wrong to teach that it does.
As the Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels asserts, "Yet this appearance is deceptive, for Matthew intends just the opposite. Later in his Gospel, Jesus will say, “On these two commandments [i.e., love for God and love for neighbor] depend all the law and the prophets” (22:40). It is precisely by obeying the two great commandments that a person obeys all the commandments, even the “least” (cf. the so-called Golden Rule of Mt 7:12: “So whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them; for this is the law and the prophets”)."
Is it starting to sink in yet? Do we have a pulse?
Your exegesis is wrong and I would love to keep going and address all of the scriptures you pull out of context (and honestly it's starting to look like you pull almost the entire Bible out of context) into a proper historical and hermeneutical context for you but my a family member has cancer and I have to take care of them in line with Matthew 22:40. Bye for now.
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This topic has been side tracked into talking about other things than what the topic is about
Revelation 14:9-12 KJV
(9) And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
(10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
(11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
(12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
It is clear from these verses that those who keep the commandments of God will not receive the mark of the beast as seen in these texts, so what are the commandments of God?
Exodus 31:18 KJV
(18) And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Revelation 11:19 KJV
(19) And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Revelation 15:5 KJV
(5) And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
The tables of testimony are the 10 commandments. Why are the 10 commandments mentioned in the Book of Revelation? They are mentioned as being in heaven, the tabernacle on earth was a copy the original is in heaven. That means the sabbath of the Lord is in there in the book of Revelation. The sabbath of the Lord is written in heaven and seen by John in vision.
Revelation 14:12 KJV
(12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
So reading the context what are the commandments of God in this text? Because those worship and keep the commandments of God will not receive the mark of the beast.
Revelation 14:9-12 KJV
(9) And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
(10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
(11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
(12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
It is clear from these verses that those who keep the commandments of God will not receive the mark of the beast as seen in these texts, so what are the commandments of God?
Exodus 31:18 KJV
(18) And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Revelation 11:19 KJV
(19) And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Revelation 15:5 KJV
(5) And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
The tables of testimony are the 10 commandments. Why are the 10 commandments mentioned in the Book of Revelation? They are mentioned as being in heaven, the tabernacle on earth was a copy the original is in heaven. That means the sabbath of the Lord is in there in the book of Revelation. The sabbath of the Lord is written in heaven and seen by John in vision.
Revelation 14:12 KJV
(12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
So reading the context what are the commandments of God in this text? Because those worship and keep the commandments of God will not receive the mark of the beast.
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As I mentioned, I think it is partially about food. I think it is the end to the entire concept of clean verses unclean. I see the new ideals of grace and freedom from the law to be a better calling. Which sounds better to you? a) Obeying 613 rules because you have been ordered to do so. b) Every thought and action is based on doing them in Love for God or for fellow man?
If you love God you will try to what He wants without rebellion, without the burden of being coerced. Another way of putting it is a husband hands of list for her to do or a husband who allows her to make choices because she loves the husband and is trusted to act in a way that will be good for him? Is it better to force a child to hug his mother or would the mother prefer a hug from her child because he wants to show affection to her?
If you love God you will try to what He wants without rebellion, without the burden of being coerced. Another way of putting it is a husband hands of list for her to do or a husband who allows her to make choices because she loves the husband and is trusted to act in a way that will be good for him? Is it better to force a child to hug his mother or would the mother prefer a hug from her child because he wants to show affection to her?