"Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

[7seven7]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

that could be seen as predigest lol you best run for cover and pray, you've just probably upset 50 million housewives ill pray for you lol my wife packs a mean punch

No, not at all. All i meant was, that a housewife will deliver her message in a way reflecting her life experiences, just like the business woman will. I personally would be more inclined to listen to a housewife lol. The same applies to men. I would give a message reflecting my life experiences (which weren't very peaceful) resulting in an extremely peaceful message of love and forgiveness, as opposed to people who have led a peaceful and secure life that might show some bitterness and condemnation, trying to spread the Word nevertheless. It applies to women and men all the same.

 

[Quickfire]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

No, not at all. All i meant was, that a housewife will deliver her message in a way reflecting her life experiences, just like the business woman will. I personally would be more inclined to listen to a housewife lol. The same applies to men. I would give a message reflecting my life experiences (which weren't very peaceful) resulting in an extremely peaceful message of love and forgiveness, as opposed to people who have led a peaceful and secure life that might show some bitterness and condemnation, trying to spread the Word nevertheless. It applies to women and men all the same.

interesting, way of putting it, but having run my own business for many years and also my wife we have dealt with just about every attack under the sun, and every trick to try and pull the wool over are eyes,
believe you me i know what grudges are, (so forgiveness here could be a god lesson for some) and i have let go of them, so i think a business lady could be of much value,

 

[Apostol2013]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

it is correct about the women keeping silent with the few exceptions and yes they are not to teach or usurp authority over a man but the exceptions are prophecying and praying , praying is for everyone and even a few women were made deaconeses but in no way is a deaconeses a pastor or teacher but only one with responsibility like cleaning childrens care etc many women and men are ignorant at the word of God but let him that is spiritual accept these as commandments of God

 

[Apostol2013]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

the Word of God says so cant argue with the Word that created you because of the unleanethness most pastors are not chosen for the ministry but self apointed by either themselves or by other men as being deceived acting in dis accord with the Word

 

[7seven7]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

interesting, way of putting it, but having run my own business for many years and also my wife we have dealt with just about every attack under the sun, and every trick to try and pull the wool over are eyes,
believe you me i know what grudges are, (so forgiveness here could be a god lesson for some) and i have let go of them, so i think a business lady could be of much value,

Brother, I hope you're not taking my comment out of context. I didn't say that business women are of no value. My sister is a business woman, a non denominational Christian, and her persistence and commitment to preaching the word to me when I didn't believe played a HUGE part in my recognizing when God communicated to me in prison. EVERYBODY, man or woman, housewife or business woman, carpenter or preacher, ex-thug or computer nerd, has a role to play in preaching the word of God! All I said was, that they just might have different ways of communicating the Word or they may appeal to different crowds.

 

[7seven7]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

it is correct about the women keeping silent with the few exceptions and yes they are not to teach or usurp authority over a man but the exceptions are prophecying and praying , praying is for everyone and even a few women were made deaconeses but in no way is a deaconeses a pastor or teacher but only one with responsibility like cleaning childrens care etc many women and men are ignorant at the word of God but let him that is spiritual accept these as commandments of God

The role of some women, just like the role of some men, would be better played by keeping quiet in Church because of whatever reason. Maybe they're extremely Godly but not good talkers, so they would be much more beneficial to the cause of Christ by leading in actions. But if a woman has a big influence on people, like young girls growing up in this sex driven world, and she has the opportunity to share this God given influence with these young girls and lead them in the right direction AWAY FROM THE WAYS OF THE WORLD and towards the way of Christ, do you think she should simply keep her mouth shut just because she's a woman? I'm Catholic, so we don't have female priests. But there are THOUSANDS of ways that women could be involved in Church in an extremely influential way and in leadership that a man could never fulfill. And they take these leadership roles all the time in the Catholic Church. God, my friend, would never ever stop ANY PERSON, being a man or woman, from leading people to the Cross! Peace.

 

[homwardbound]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God." -1 Corinthians 6:9-10

"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” -Revelation 21:8

Are you having trouble in this area, I pray for you to see truth and be set free. to have Mercy, do you not see God's love is meant to lead one and many to repentance (from unbelief to belief) in the resurrected Christ in the Spirit of God being born of the Spirit of God and dead to flesh. Through belief one ends up in circumcised flesh and heart. The new Birth at belief that God did this for you, me and all that belief God
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

If you believe God gives you the circumcised New Heart of flesh, then circumcises the rest of one's flesh, being all new in the sight of God and thus one Loves as God has loved all through the cross.
And one stops those things you posted, being toooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! busy in the new life, with thanksgiving and praises.

 

[homwardbound]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

Yes, it was the Lord who told us to be just. And justice requires we all live by the same rules.

Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

 

[jonathanbchristian]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

Only on forums can a horse live long enough to be beat to death and resurrected and beat to death again.

 

[homwardbound]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

And I totally agree with that also Ress

Remember what status is and what function is? \for some reason you think that what is called 'headship' is dictatorial role.. your arguing against a strawman..

What do you think of what Paul says Ress:

For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. (Eph 5:23)




Nope not been to Norway, Listened to to your song

That is not an order per say. It is putting things in the order that things were created, and if a man puts and has Christ as his head of himself, then he will treat his wife with Love beyond measure.
If the man sees the Love of God first then he will love back as he sees this love of God that no human flesh can do.
So God today can only be worshipped in Spirit and truth, and no flesh in his sight will please God, then why is it we are being worldly in this, and not Spiritual, seeing us all as equal. So when things are not going in unity, out of order, not communicating, then something is wrong. For God is not the Author of confusion right? Flesh has then got to be in the way. For the Spirit of God is never out of agreement with God, yet flesh is even if it acts as if it is not, it is.

[h=3]Romans 4[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? [SUP]2 [/SUP]For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. [SUP]5 [/SUP]But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, [SUP]7 [/SUP]saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. [SUP]10 [/SUP]How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: [SUP]12 [/SUP]and the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: [SUP]15 [/SUP]because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, [SUP]17 [/SUP](as it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations; according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. [SUP]19 [/SUP]And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara’s womb: [SUP]20 [/SUP]he staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; [SUP]21 [/SUP]and being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; [SUP]24 [/SUP]but for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; [SUP]25 [/SUP]who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Does the above include women or is this just for man, so women have to go through man to be Justified by God? I think not. Mixing Law and grace is like trying to mix oil and water. Oil and water does not mix, it can appear to if stirred up, which is what is happening and bringing in Law to unredeemed flesh and blood. causing division(s) as what we are to watch out for.
Why is it we are not walking by Faith and mixing Law and making up our own sets of rules?

 

[homwardbound]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

I cant really say I have a firm position in this particular subject matter, but I do have a view on it...For me, I really put alot of stock in The Sovereignty of God in all things, so having said that, the next step, for me, is weather I think Paul was speaking for God in His letters or not...Personally, I do, so the next step, again, for me, is stepping back and excepting Gods dispensing of Gifts, races, genders, locations, cultures, what century he places us in, and so on, as being all in His Will to manifest His outcome...With any life He brings to this planet, he gives that life specific circumstances to both work with, and humble ourselves to...He made me a man, and man with certain gifts and disadvantages...He made me an artist with an Artist mind, he birthed me into a bad environment, and He showed me a way out, He did this, and He did that, so I could do His will...The Bible He gave me is to guide me through this journey, stating to me, how He wants me to live, and what he want me to do...For me...I cant cherry pick which verses I want to except as they stand, and which ones I want to inflict my own personal, or cultural views upon, or try to intellectually rearrange them to suit the times I live in...God has me on a very, very short leash, because if He lets me run lose through the garden, I will piss on everything in sight...So I have to stay as close to what Scripture states as to what God wants me to do in this life, and submit myself to the position He has placed me in...So if God in His mind made me this, and He made you that, He has given us the instructions to work with, for, both this and that. Gods social structure is in the best interests of His plan... It may seem vague, but its the best I have right now...Great post, I learned a lot, thanks...God Bless

Thanks for the post and I see it all leading to this
Ephesians 4:16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.

1 John 4:7 [ Knowing God Through Love ] Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.
1 Corinthians 13:13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
Love passes all, and as love to all takes over, the earlier doings are not needed to get to love that goes on forever


[h=3]Hebrews 6[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]The Peril of Not Progressing[/h]6 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, [SUP]2 [/SUP]of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And this we will do if God permits.

 

[homwardbound]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

it remains today, if woman keep talking in churches they will surly perish(although all churches i know except one are false)

Which Church would that be?

 

[homwardbound]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

Why dont you stop looking for a reason to "correct" people and look deeper in the post to understand what was being said. You're 40! Surely you can look deeper into the comment than that one line you plucked out. Piece it together with rest of the comment and you'll see that he didn't mean any harm to the Lord. Gee Wizz lol

Well maybe if we see Judging in this way:

Lesson our judgement of others. We never see the whole picture. Never.
there are 1,000 reasons a person can behave a particular way. We don't know what is going on in their movie that motivates them to act in that way. I never know how I'd behave if I were in the other shoes. Today little by little, it would be good to learn to be more forgiving. Learn to where we can come from a place of help, rather than Judgement.

Judgements are only based on what one sees, from their owns thoughts. From their own experiences. There is truly only one that knows all. that one would be and is the creator of all.
If one learns to listen to the creator as Jesus Christ revealed to all mankind. (Christ taught us, to do nothing or say nothing w/o Father's instruction first and foremost), we would make the right judgements, with out condemnation. ( coming from the one listening),much less likely
The ones that argued would reveal their true selves, as was done in the day of visitation from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Steer clear from arguements, seek the truth in all things and one shall be free from the world and it's traps.

Maybe we then can have an adjusted attitude in God's Spirit and speak as ked by God if we seek for this to be as Christ said to his disciples this:


[h=3]Matthew 10:16-20[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]Persecutions Are Coming[/h][SUP]16 [/SUP]“Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. [SUP]18 [/SUP]You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. [SUP]19 [/SUP]But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; [SUP]20 [/SUP]for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.

 

[homwardbound]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

ps ok and i have humbly excepted and i hope others do to,

If we know God has, then how can we not forgive?
1 John 4:19 We love Him because He first loved us.

So can we all consider each other and sift all through our hidden man of the new Heart, God has given us, to be able to love one another and devour each other as Paul talked about in Corinthians to them.

1 Corinthians 3:3 for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?

 

[homwardbound]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

Nah all good. Apology accepted. Forgotten. So, I don't think women keep silent in Churches. Nor should they. A womans voice and demeaner can truly bring love and compassion to a group of people in the Church.

all in proper timing though as in Ecclesiastes, yes.
It would not be proper to speak out of turn, for man or woman, would it? This is the order that Paul was talking about, to the Corinthians who were out of order, taking God's grace using it for an occasion for the flesh desires. Not order as a commandment, rather in order, all receiving the Love of God and not going against other's free will's.
As I see it God got angry over other's taking away other's free will's. As they were doing in the days of Noah, and God flooded the earth, in response to man's wickedness, only finding Noah righteous, at that time in history

 

[homwardbound]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

me and godslyrc have been in private email for the last 2 hours im trying

Thank you, and we can grow in God's love helping one another in God's type of love. We can come to truth, and be free in God's type of love. 1 cor. 13:4-13

 

[homwardbound]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

When they were told to keep silent in the bible, we must remember that the audience back then were a from totally different culture than what we are now. The women weren't educated and in those days, and it was seen as disrespectful for a woman to do most things in public. Things are very different these days, and I really can't see Christ telling women to stay quiet in Church if they have a lot to contribute.

Looking up the history of what was happening in the Corinthian Church in that day and time sheds a lot of light on the subject at hand in that day and time and brings home why Paul wrote what he wrote to them

There were women with shaven heads from the Brothel up above them that infiltrated their gathering and were a part of the out of order fellowship that was going on. Getting behind the Pulpit and preaching of flesh not Spirit of God.
Taking advantage of God's grace and sinning all the more than were ever before, accepting the thought that God has (past tense) forgiven them at the cross is done. So they thought they could just take what they wanted or do what they wanted to, Why? Because they are forgiven by God through Christ.

The above is true, we all are and have been forgiven by God through Christ at the cross.
But see these scriptures that warn us of taking advantage. We are not to.

Hebrews 2:3 how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him,
Galatians 5:13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another

[h=3]Hebrews 10:27-29[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]27 [/SUP]but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

So is it not meant for us to appreciate and get busy in thankfulness and praises unto God, as King David saw in advance and said
Psalm 100:4
Enter into His gates with thanksgiving, And into His courts with praise. Be thankful to Him, and bless His name

 

[homwardbound]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

They all have something to contribute in different ways. The message, I imagine, will be delivered differently from the housewife than that from the business woman.

If we all would just discern with the hidden man of our new Hearts given to us from God, God in us would show us when whatever one is talking about is of the Spirit of God or Flesh selfishness that acts good. Such as the Hypocrites exposed in the Day of the Messiah here in earth in the flesh, he said they told the truth, just do not go as they did.
So do we not think the devil does not still infiltrate to this very day. Who is the Author and finisher of our Faith? Who is the only mediator between God and man today?

 

[homwardbound]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

interesting, way of putting it, but having run my own business for many years and also my wife we have dealt with just about every attack under the sun, and every trick to try and pull the wool over are eyes,
believe you me i know what grudges are, (so forgiveness here could be a god lesson for some) and i have let go of them, so i think a business lady could be of much value,

Whomever GOD calls is of the value, for those that are Called are led by God, themselves dead to do, hidden in Christ for The works of God to be done through such as like the day of Pentecost. It was not the disciples that were alive, they were dead as in flesh and alive as in God using there old flesh that God circumcised to tell those people there the truth, of what God has (past tense) done for them, and they believed and were saved, WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! all God and non of us, self out of the way, were God used and uses us as vessels to put out the truth unto salvation to all that choose belief in God
So why not see it as God does
[h=3]Matthew 10:16-20[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]Persecutions Are Coming[/h][SUP]16 [/SUP]“Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. [SUP]18 [/SUP]You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. [SUP]19 [/SUP]But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; [SUP]20 [/SUP]for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.

If we do the above trusting God, then we will know truth that says and keeps us free in God through Christ.
We will know who is speaking from flesh and from God's Spirit being connected in God's Spirit, via the resurrected Christ

 

[homwardbound]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

the Word of God says so cant argue with the Word that created you because of the unleanethness most pastors are not chosen for the ministry but self apointed by either themselves or by other men as being deceived acting in dis accord with the Word

I personally only have one high Priest that lives forever in the order of Melchizadek, and that is Christ Jesus. Why do we or have we appointed others as better than us or worse, is this not carnal mindedness?