Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?
And I totally agree with that also Ress
Remember what status is and what function is? \for some reason you think that what is called 'headship' is dictatorial role.. your arguing against a strawman..
What do you think of what Paul says Ress:
For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. (Eph 5:23)
Nope not been to Norway, Listened to to your song
That is not an order per say. It is putting things in the order that things were created, and if a man puts and has Christ as his head of himself, then he will treat his wife with Love beyond measure.
If the man sees the Love of God first then he will love back as he sees this love of God that no human flesh can do.
So God today can only be worshipped in Spirit and truth, and no flesh in his sight will please God, then why is it we are being worldly in this, and not Spiritual, seeing us all as equal. So when things are not going in unity, out of order, not communicating, then something is wrong. For God is not the Author of confusion right? Flesh has then got to be in the way. For the Spirit of God is never out of agreement with God, yet flesh is even if it acts as if it is not, it is.
[h=3]Romans 4[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? [SUP]
2 [/SUP]For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath
whereof to glory; but not before God. [SUP]
3 [/SUP]For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. [SUP]
4 [/SUP]Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. [SUP]
5 [/SUP]But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. [SUP]
6 [/SUP]Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, [SUP]
7 [/SUP]
saying, Blessed
are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. [SUP]
8 [/SUP]Blessed
is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. [SUP]
9 [/SUP]
Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision
only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. [SUP]
10 [/SUP]How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. [SUP]
11 [/SUP]And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which
he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: [SUP]
12 [/SUP]and the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which
he had being
yet uncircumcised. [SUP]
13 [/SUP]For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world,
was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. [SUP]
14 [/SUP]For if they which are of the law
be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: [SUP]
15 [/SUP]because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is,
there is no transgression. [SUP]
16 [/SUP]Therefore
it is of faith, that
it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, [SUP]
17 [/SUP](as it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed,
even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. [SUP]
18 [/SUP]Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations; according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. [SUP]
19 [/SUP]And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara’s womb: [SUP]
20 [/SUP]he staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; [SUP]
21 [/SUP]and being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. [SUP]
22 [/SUP]And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. [SUP]
23 [/SUP]Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; [SUP]
24 [/SUP]
but for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; [SUP]25 [/SUP]who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Does the above include women or is this just for man, so women have to go through man to be Justified by God? I think not. Mixing Law and grace is like trying to mix oil and water. Oil and water does not mix, it can appear to if stirred up, which is what is happening and bringing in Law to unredeemed flesh and blood. causing division(s) as what we are to watch out for.
Why is it we are not walking by Faith and mixing Law and making up our own sets of rules?