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.......speaking in tongues are we?.............

( :) )
Buying bread from a man in Brasil / He was six-foot-four and full of muscles
I said, "Do you speak-a my language?" / He just smiled
:) and gave me a vegemite sandwich

And he said,
"I come from a land down under / Where beer does flow and men chunder
Can't you hear, can't you hear the thunder? / You better run, you better take cover."


[video=youtube;XfR9iY5y94s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfR9iY5y94s[/video]
 

ChosenbyHim

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ChosenByHim, you're the one who wrote that the Bible is an "abomination"
No Praus, what I wrote is that the NIV is an abomination. Again, the NIV is not a Bible. It is a Satanic counterfeit. I gave you two of the reasons why it is in my previous post.



and that burning Bibles is "justifiable".

No Praus, I wrote that the burning of the NIVs are justifiable. The NIV is a wicked, Satanic counterfeit which attacks the Lord Jesus Christ and His deity.

The NIV perversion and the other modern Vatican perversions dishonor both the Son and the Father:



[video=youtube;JOjqPLhDUmk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOjqPLhDUmk[/video]​
 
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Praus, the NIV is not a real Bible. It is a bible perversion. The NIV is a Satanic counterfeit. It turns the Lord Jesus Christ into Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12.
What kind of test is that exactly? :confused:

In the KJV the devil is a lion and Jesus is a Lion and it
doesn't mean that actual Christians believe Jesus is the devil. No Christian is going to accept that the Bible says Jesus is the devil--only KJV-onlyists :mad: would use that kind of test.

1 Pet 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
 

Nautilus

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not this dumb stuff again. Seriously chosen just stop with the king jimmy stuff. No one cares.
 
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Now let me illustrate. By first showing you the correct rendering of Each verse, which is in the King James Authorized Version.

Isaiah 14:12

King James Version (KJV)

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The NASB adds a footnote explaining the literal translation of "star of the morning".

Isa 14:12 “How you have fallen from heaven, / O [a] star of the morning, son of the dawn!
You have been cut down to the earth, / You who have weakened the nations! (NASB)
Footnotes: Isaiah 14:12 Heb Helel; i.e. shining one

ChosenByHim, when you write
"correct rendering" does that mean Catholic rendering? Who's really promoting Catholic Bibles here?

Douay-Rheims Challoner
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, who didst rise in the morning? how art thou fallen to the earth, that didst wound the nations?

Jerome Vulgate:
Quomodo cecidisti de caelo, Lucifer, qui mane oriebaris? corruisti in terram, qui vulnerabas gentes?

Nova Vulgate:
Quomodo cecidisti de caelo, lucifer, fili aurorae? Deiectus es in terram, qui deiciebas gentes,
 

ChosenbyHim

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not this dumb stuff again. Seriously chosen just stop with the king jimmy stuff. No one cares.

Nautilus, who is king jimmy??? :confused:


I do not know of a king jimmy.

But I do know about a great king who lived in England one time. This man was King James. He ruled as the king of Scots from July 24, 1567 to March 27, 1625. And he ruled as the king of England and Ireland from March 24, 1603 to March 27, 1625.

Also in 1604 (one year after King James had taken the throne in England) King James I commissioned the Greatest Book ever to be translated.


So just like I told Jason, I also am telling you Nautilus to show some respect for the word of God.

Also, I will continue to share the truth.

I will continue to stand for the truth.
 
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Praus, the NIV is not a real Bible. It is a bible perversion. The NIV is a Satanic counterfeit. It turns the Lord Jesus Christ into Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12.

And it turns John the Apostle John into the Dragon in Revelation 13:1.


Now let me illustrate. By first showing you the correct rendering of Each verse, which is in the King James Authorized Version.


And then I will show you the corrupt and bad rendering which is found in the New International Version.


Isaiah 14:12


Isaiah 14:12

King James Version (KJV)

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!



Isaiah 14:12

New International Version (NIV)

12 How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!





If you read Revelation 22:16, then you know that Jesus Christ is the morning star.



Revelation 13:1

Revelation 13

King James Version (KJV)


13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.




Revelation 13:1

New International Version (NIV)


13 The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.


Question: "Why are both Jesus and Satan referred to as the morning star?"


Answer: The first reference to the morning star as an individual is in Isaiah 14:12: “How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!” (NIV). The KJV and NKJV both translate “morning star” as “Lucifer, son of the morning.” It is clear from the rest of the passage that Isaiah is referring to Satan’s fall from heaven (Luke 10:18). So in this case, the morning star refers to Satan. In Revelation 22:16, Jesus unmistakably identifies Himself as the morning star. Why are both Jesus and Satan described as the “morning star”?


It is interesting to note that the concept of the “morning star” is not the only concept that is applied to both Jesus and Satan. In Revelation 5:5, Jesus is referred to as the Lion of the tribe of Judah. In 1 Peter 5:8, Satan is compared to a lion, seeking someone to devour. The point is this, both Jesus and Satan, to a certain extent, have similarities to lions. Jesus is similar to a lion in that He is the King, He is royal and majestic. Satan is similar to a lion in that he seeks to devour other creatures. That is where the similarities between Jesus, Satan, and lions end, however. Jesus and Satan are like lions in very different ways.


The idea of a “bright morning star” is a star that outshines all the others. Satan, as perhaps the most beautiful creation of God, probably the most powerful of all the angels, was a bright morning star. Jesus, as God incarnate, the Lord of the universe, is THE bright and morning star. Jesus is the most holy and powerful “light” in all the universe. So, while both Jesus and Satan can be described as “bright morning stars,” in no sense is this equating Jesus and Satan. Satan is a created being. His light only exists to the extent that God created it. Jesus is the light of the world (John 9:5). Only Jesus’ light is self-existent. Satan may be a bright morning star, but he is only a poor imitation of the one true bright morning star, Jesus Christ, the light of the world.
 
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Nautilus, who is king jimmy??? :confused:


I do not know of a king jimmy.

But I do know about a great king who lived in England one time. This man was King James. He ruled as the king of Scots from July 24, 1567 to March 27, 1625. And he ruled as the king of England and Ireland from March 24, 1603 to March 27, 1625.

Also in 1604 (one year after King James had taken the throne in England) King James I commissioned the Greatest Book ever to be translated.


So just like I told Jason, I also am telling you Nautilus to show some respect for the word of God.

Also, I will continue to share the truth.

I will continue to stand for the truth.
You have no respect for the word of God. You idolize an out of date translation that used a Greek text that looks like no other. The so called textus receptus that you have so much respect for was invented to match your beloved king James. Your should check out James whites actual facts on the issue. I think the Kjv is fine if you speak 17th century English, and for occasional study. I made this thread to poke fun at people like you. I know that is not a Godly attitude , I should not have made it at all, not because I am wrong but because I did it to ridicule and divide. I apologize. I'm out.
 
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Tintin

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Okay, we've beaten this dead horse about a thousand times over. Don't you think it's time we let sleeping dogs lie?
 

p_rehbein

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Okay, we've beaten this dead horse about a thousand times over. Don't you think it's time we let sleeping dogs lie?
What? Why should we allow them to enter into their rest? No one else is getting a break............ :):)

(I've always wondered: if a dog is sleeping, can it lie? What would it lie about? Oh, no, wait, you mean let them lay down.....never mind)
 
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Mate, I love your sense of humour. Thanks for being a top bloke! :)
 
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I made this thread to poke fun at people like you. I know that is not a Godly attitude , I should not have made it at all, not because I am wrong but because I did it to ridicule and divide. I apologize. I'm out.
Thread like this are needed, because of other threads like this: :(

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/72740-feeling-too-stupid-read-bible.html


Furthermore, you're not the first to make such a joke:

Tominthebox News Network - Religious Humor/Satire: NASB Onlyism Gaining New Momentum

12 February, 2007
NASB Onlyism Gaining New Momentum
TACOMA, WASHINGTON

"You just can't be any more NASB than we are," said pastor Doug Holstein of Clearwater Baptist Church in Tacoma, Washington. "We believe that the New American Standard Bible is the absolute perfect and preserved Bible. There's no need to go back to the Greek and Hebrew to understand some kind of 'deeper meaning' of the text. It's all right there in English, in the New American Standard."

"We don't put up with other modern per-versions of Scripture. If you want the only true Bible you've got to have a NASB."

The NASB (New American Standard Bible often pronounced "nazz-bee") is a revision from the ASV (American Standard Version) of 1901. The latest version of the NASB was updated and released in 1996. When asked about the fact that the NASB is itself a modern translation of Scripture Holstein replied, "I don't need your high-faluting scholarship! People think that you got to have some kind of education in order to understand the Bible, but that's just dumb. My faith is based on faith and not knowledge!"

Holstein further advocates the view that any difference between the English text of the NASB and the original Greek and Hebrew is divinely inspired.

"The English is superior to the Greek and Hebrew." Said Holstein. "I mean, how many people can speak Greek and Hebrew? Furthermore, if the English is somehow different from the Greek or Hebrew, then change the Greek or Hebrew. Don't mess with what's perfect already. If you've got the perfect word, why go backwards?"

"This is very strange," said the Rev. Lucas James of Covenant Presbyterian Church in Tacoma. "We personally use the New American Standard here in our congregation, but there is no basis, Biblical or historical, for saying that the NASB is somehow an inspired or perfect translation."

"He's an oddball with cult-like control over his congregation," said former member Chris Harrell. "Every time a member leaves or someone criticizes him from the community he takes that to mean he's being persecuted for his faith, and he rejoices all the more."

Despite criticism Holstein intends to become more fervent in his defense of the NASB.

"We lift up the NASB above all. If you want to be saved you better get one. If you don't know English you better get to learning."
 
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letti

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Well,something must be wrong with me since, I own and use many different bible versions.But since, I am concerned with more important things, I hold no regard for solely what bible version it is.I'd rather spend my time worrying about much more important things.This is a old issue,so old in fact all the arguments for the kjv remain the same by those arguing.LoL what else new remains to be argued.I am concerned with living for God,and that is what I see most important.
 

p_rehbein

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Well,something must be wrong with me since, I own and use many different bible versions.But since, I am concerned with more important things, I hold no regard for solely what bible version it is.I'd rather spend my time worrying about much more important things.This is a old issue,so old in fact all the arguments for the kjv remain the same by those arguing.LoL what else new remains to be argued.I am concerned with living for God,and that is what I see most important.
Hmmmmmmm. it's clear that there is definitely something wrong with you............. I'd consider seeing a Doctor or something.........

:):) (just poking fun........good thoughts)
 
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jimmydiggs

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I love the NASB, and the NIV. I believe the king jimmy to be more accurate than the NIV but I believe the nasb to be more accurate than king jimmy. I love king jimmy but I like to read newer versions because of the thee and thou business.
I'm a king. :D




My church is ESV-Onlyist. Peter Ruckman is really a Zen Bhuddist pretending to be a Christian, so he can deceive people to believe the KJV instead of the ESV.

Ruckman himself said he's full of demons. Like a barrel o' monkeys, he's got a barrel o' demons.


Ruckman entered the U.S. Army in 1944 as a second lieutenant and volunteered to serve with the occupation forces in Japan. While there, Ruckman studied Zen Buddhism, and claimed to have had paranormal experiences during this period, including "the experience of nirvana, which the Zen call samadhi, the dislocation of the spirit from the body....Looking at my moral life following that experience, and my desire at times to commit suicide, I realize I had produced a passive state that was an entrance for spirits." Ruckman returned to the United States "uneasy, unsettled, full of demons."[SUP][2][/SUP] Drinking heavily, he became a disc jockey during the day and a drummer in various dance bands at night. Sometimes verging on suicide, he began to hear voices, and he met with a Jesuit priest to explore the possibility of joining the Roman Catholic Church.[SUP][2] (Peter Ruckman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

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[SUP]See, Peter Ruckman is a Jesuit bhuddist disc jockey drunk drummer full of deamons trying to take people away from the Final Authority of the ESV.

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jimmydiggs

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Nautilus, who is king jimmy??? :confused:


I do not know of a king jimmy.

But I do know about a great king who lived in England one time. This man was King James. He ruled as the king of Scots from July 24, 1567 to March 27, 1625. And he ruled as the king of England and Ireland from March 24, 1603 to March 27, 1625.

Also in 1604 (one year after King James had taken the throne in England) King James I commissioned the Greatest Book ever to be translated.


So just like I told Jason, I also am telling you Nautilus to show some respect for the word of God.

Also, I will continue to share the truth.

I will continue to stand for the truth.



It's okay, jimmies can be unrustled.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I have no issue with KJV, in fact i hope to own one in the near future....I just like my NIV and NKJ and ESV.... Also

It is a nice version. But do us all a favor. Do not give it to someone who you are trying to show Christ too. They would be lost trying to read it. it would only frustrate them!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I think it is something I need to start. It is considered to be the most literal so let's do it, who is with me? Oh but I love the NIV and the esv. I even love that real outdated one the Kjv. What about a Geneva I can't leave it out. So I guess I will start a Kjv, nkjv, nasb, NIV , NLT , net, hcsb, esv , only ( unless another cool one comes out) group.

I like my logos bible software.

All I have to do is look a passage up. I have KJV, NKJV, NASB, NASB, ESV NLT and any other translation I desire, which I can open them all up side by side.. Nice tool!!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I probably have more copies of the king jimmy than any other version.
same here.. I have one nasb. and I think one NKJV. the rest are KJV bibles.. I think my wife has an NIV.. Which I honestly think is poorly translated in a few places. so do not use.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jason, first off, what is the king jimmy? I don't know of a king jimmy.


Now I do know of the King James Holy Bible.


Therefore Jason, show some respect for the word of God.


By the way, the thee's and thou's are more accurate. Brandplucked wrote a good article on the issue of the thee's and the ye's. You can check it out by clicking on the link below:


Thee and Ye - Another King James Bible Believer
sorry to bust your bubble bro. But the thees and thous are old english translation of the modern day words you and yours.. No one speaks this way anymore..

to be honest.. There is no difference in the words.. so to say they are more properly translated is just wrong!