THERE WILL BE NO SALVATION FOR THOSE THAT WILL BE ON THIS EARTH DURING THE 1000 YEARS
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i have read it many many times I am not ignoring Rom 11, I am understand its true meaning by cross referencing it with a number of other passages that help one to understand fully what is written, the Shaul himself knew as well as we know how to tie our shoes and certainly used as a basis and inspiration to write what he did.... I think you are not taking all Scripture into context. You have to fully understand all those verse I posted in my last few posts, INCLUDING the Psalms verses...
I think maybe we have a misunderstanding, I agree with post 47, 12,000 from each tribe, 12 tribes, this is Scriptual fact, but if we follow Messiah Yahshua we are seeds of Abraham and SPIRITUAL Israylites, I agree not included in the 144k but an Israylite none the less.
I will repost a few of those verses:
Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."
Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."
Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."
Psalam 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change the Law that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."
I will repost a few of those verses:
Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."
Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."
Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."
Psalam 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change the Law that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."
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what? 144000 from the 12 tribes of isreal will repent and get savedm, and be missionaries to the rest of Isreal and all the world. Again where do you get this stuff??
A gentile is a person who can not trace his bloodline back to the man called jacob, whos name was later changed to Isreal. who had 12 sons, thus becomes the 12 tribes.
One who is not saved is not saved. Jew or gentile
A true gentile is one who is not of the bloodline of Abraham Issac and Jacob!
A gentile is a person who can not trace his bloodline back to the man called jacob, whos name was later changed to Isreal. who had 12 sons, thus becomes the 12 tribes.
One who is not saved is not saved. Jew or gentile
A true gentile is one who is not of the bloodline of Abraham Issac and Jacob!
Certianly the 144k are of the 12 tribes physically, the Spiritual Israylites are the multitude, spoken of RIGHT after the 144k in Rev =
Revelation 7:9, "After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes..."
Revelation 7:9, "After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes..."
All of you are sounding like the biblical scholars who lived prior to the return of Jesus. You know just how everything in the last days will happen, just as those scholars said knew everything that would happen when the Messiah came.
Also, have you forgotten that in Romans it tells who is Israel? We are the adopted sons.
In the bible, usually literal happenings explain the spiritual happenings. In the case of the bible using numbers, the meaning is usually spiritual. For an example, often scripture uses the literal 40 days of a trial to spiritually say it was a time of trial. In the case of the 144,000, it is probably a spiritual number. If it represents all Israel, then it would be 12,000 from each 12 tribes. There is physical Israel, and spiritual Israel. Those of us who are saved and not part of physical Israel but adopted into Israel would be part of this.
I don't think a human on this earth can say that they absolutely know for sure all about these things. We know certainly the Jesus will return as a judge. We know we can trust the Lord to care for us, His children. Can't we just let God take care of the details?
Also, have you forgotten that in Romans it tells who is Israel? We are the adopted sons.
In the bible, usually literal happenings explain the spiritual happenings. In the case of the bible using numbers, the meaning is usually spiritual. For an example, often scripture uses the literal 40 days of a trial to spiritually say it was a time of trial. In the case of the 144,000, it is probably a spiritual number. If it represents all Israel, then it would be 12,000 from each 12 tribes. There is physical Israel, and spiritual Israel. Those of us who are saved and not part of physical Israel but adopted into Israel would be part of this.
I don't think a human on this earth can say that they absolutely know for sure all about these things. We know certainly the Jesus will return as a judge. We know we can trust the Lord to care for us, His children. Can't we just let God take care of the details?