What is Moral?

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Okay then.

  • Is slavery right?
  • Is genocide right?
  • Is killing gay people right?

If you are so opposed to situational ethics then there should be one answer for this applying to all situations. What moral clarity does the Bible provide you on these issues?
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Can you clarify to me why these are not one simple true moral answer?

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They are all wrong Jesus said to live everyone! And these actions show not love.

Hope you do not think I am being disrespectful but it appears both here and on the thread about evolution you won't comment on things that don't agree with you. Or at least if I say them..
you make good points don't misunderstand me
 
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alexis said:
Can you clarify to me why these are not one simple true moral answer?

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They are all wrong Jesus said to live everyone! And these actions show not love.

Hope you do not think I am being disrespectful but it appears both here and on the thread about evolution you won't comment on things that don't agree with you. Or at least if I say them..
you make good points don't misunderstand me
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Was it wrong when God said Kil babies ?
 
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alexis said:
Can you clarify to me why these are not one simple true moral answer?

Again I add

They are all wrong Jesus said to live everyone! And these actions show not love.
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If you say that they are all wrong then you are also saying that God is wrong, as he gave explicit commands in the OT for slavery, genocide, and the killing of gay people. Is God immoral?

Hope you do not think I am being disrespectful but it appears both here and on the thread about evolution you won't comment on things that don't agree with you. Or at least if I say them..
you make good points don't misunderstand me
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No problem - I just tend to keep my answers brief.
 
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So I should use my own moral compass to decide which parts of the bible to pick out as true and which to regard as false? In that case, when it comes to morals, why consider the bible at all? Clearly, you are the one deciding how a righteous god should behave himself.
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Everyone is deciding how a righteous god should behave himself.
Why the aggression?
 
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Yet every one of these is proscribed by God in the Old Testament - hence my original question:
If God is absolutely moral, and scripture inerrant, then why are there so many direct commands from God in the OT - such as allowing slavery, death sentences for things we don't even consider crimes anymore, genocide, and rape - that we would immediately recognize as immoral today?​
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Jesus fulfilled the Old Testamnet..

I hear you about what God said there but I will say we were also trapped in sin then...

Christ never once did anything that anyone could say isn't moral.

I put my faith in Christ He said to love His is the message that leads to salvation. There is no question of what is moral if you read the words in red
 
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Yes, and part of me started to realize this problem once I did. I knew the day I held my son in my arms that I could never even entertain the thought of sacrificing him on an altar for any god, and that anyone who would was a moral monster.
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God forbid is it moral to kill a thief who broke into your house to try and kill your son ?
 
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Everyone is deciding how a righteous god should behave himself.
Why the aggression?
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No aggression - I'm just pushing the implications of your answer. If we only take the Bible as true when it agrees with our own views of morality, then why bother with it at all as a source for morality? We already know all the good things it says are true, and already understand all the terrible things it says are bad. What value does it bring to the moral table?
 
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God forbid is it moral to kill a thief who broke into your house to try and kill your son ?
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Do you think that is equivalent to killing all the men, women, and children in an entire city (except, of course, for the young, virgin girls)?
 
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Everyone is deciding how a righteous god should behave himself.
Why the aggression?
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i wonder why a Holy Righteous God is going to put people in everlasting fire

i am not hereing complains about that
 
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Do you think that is equivalent to killing all the men, women, and children in an entire city (except, of course, for the young, virgin girls)?
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Do you think that whatsoever God say is righteous regardless of man own feelings and deciding what is moral ?
 
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Do you think that is equivalent to killing all the men, women, and children in an entire city (except, of course, for the young, virgin girls)?
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Do you think it was moral for God to destroy the old world in a flood with newborns ?
 
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If you say that they are all wrong then you are also saying that God is wrong, as he gave explicit commands in the OT for slavery, genocide, and the killing of gay people. Is God immoral?



No problem - I just tend to keep my answers brief.
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Sorry you are right to be brief I wasn't looking enough... Again sorry

The OT was fulfilled with Christ. I can not question God why He asked that in the OT

But Christ is God and He said to love everyone. A theologian can explain how it does not contradict OT

all I can offer is Christ over came sin. Thus I only need follow His message of love and accepting Him

I post this too much but fear in saying that this will turn into a debate of following the law so here I add:

"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord:though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

I have accepted God's gift- Jesus Christ; He has taken away my sin. As He has taken away my sin, I am born again in His sight- not by what I DO, but by what He has DONE.

it is not about DO... It is about DONE...

I live for Christ not to earn His favor, but I live for Christ because it is already mine... By God's grace I am saved..

Love you all,
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RuthHannah said:
i wonder why a Holy Righteous God is going to put people in everlasting fire

i am not hereing complains about that
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A Holy Righteous God see's the severity of the consequences of sin, and sends His only son to die a brutal, torturous death to give people an opportunity to be freed from the consequences of their sins, even though they don't deserve it. What is to complain about? Shouldn't we rather be grateful?
If you commit a murder, and the judge rightfully sends to you prison or even death, but then that same judge steps in and takes your punishment and lets you free and wipes away all record of your murder, would you complain about the judge?
 
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[h=3]Lamentations 3:38-44[/h]King James Version (KJV)

38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?
39 Wherefore doth a living man complain, a man for the punishment of his sins?
40 Let us search and try our ways, and turn again to the Lord.
41 Let us lift up our heart with our hands unto God in the heavens.
42 We have transgressed and have rebelled: thou hast not pardoned.
43 Thou hast covered with anger, and persecuted us: thou hast slain, thou hast not pitied.
44 Thou hast covered thyself with a cloud, that our prayer should not pass through.
 
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Do you think that is equivalent to killing all the men, women, and children in an entire city (except, of course, for the young, virgin girls)?
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Do you think it is moral when it happens in war today to an extent to leave mother and children ?
 
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A Holy Righteous God see's the severity of the consequences of sin, and sends His only son to die a brutal, torturous death to give people an opportunity to be freed from the consequences of their sins, even though they don't deserve it. What is to complain about? Shouldn't we rather be grateful?
If you commit a murder, and the judge rightfully sends to you prison or even death, but then that same judge steps in and takes your punishment and lets you free and wipes away all record of your murder, would you complain about the judge?
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I am not complaining about anything they are discusing what is moral yet God is going to put people in fire and i think that is Just
He is God and does whatsoever He wants
 
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No aggression - I'm just pushing the implications of your answer.
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Ah, I see, sorry.

What value does it bring to the moral table?
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The ten commandments, "written in stone" and the testimony of Jesus, the things He actually did (not just the dying part)
are the things to "keep", and not because they are a set of rules, but because they bring peace and healing to others, even if at cost of self.

Nothing else in the bible is "written in stone" by the very finger of God except these two things. The "law" and the "prophets"
Everything else, the wars, the gore, the burning and rotting, are to be interpreted from the essence of those.

Unfortunately, people are stuck on
A. Getting into "heaven" when they die.
B. Convincing others they are "chosen"
C. Seeing their enemies punished beyond necessity
D. Thinking that God wants to treat them like a dog instead of His child.

The commandments and the testimony (because Jesus is a "rock"), the only parts that are *guaranteed* to be totally literal, are kept when a person knows they are the right thing to do because they do not harm others. Not to be kept in order to stay out of morality court for fear of jail.

I read the bible quite differently than what was told to me in church.
 
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Do you think that is equivalent to killing all the men, women, and children in an entire city (except, of course, for the young, virgin girls)?
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Its amazing you call yourself a Christian yet oppsed Gods justice and judgement , Why ?
 
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Atheists do nothing but constantly contradict themselves.

Every word out of their mouths is another contradiction.

The atheist comes here, and accuses God of being immoral,
but the atheist doesn't even believe there are absolute standards
of morality with which to judge!

The atheist is saying,
"I'm going to measure God by a precise, clearly marked yardstick...
but I don't actually have a yardstick...
gosh, I hope the Christians don't notice."

It's nothing but pure absurdity.
 
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Do you think that is equivalent to killing all the men, women, and children in an entire city (except, of course, for the young, virgin girls)?
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Knock Knock Are you there ?

Is anybody home ?

Are the questions too hard for you to answer ?
 
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