Do we have the power to do miracles?
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Can I be very outspoken and say that it is a lie of Satan that miracles are not evidence of the Holy Spirit at work.
Let me give you one example. A church has been in existence for 20 years, which means we have had plenty of time to assess where they are at. They are a church that focuses on the presence of God in their meetings, preferring that to hyped up mush. They hold a healing service and during the prayer time a young man with only one hand sees the other grow and he ends up with two functioning hands.
Now I want to ask a question. Is there anyone out there game enough to say that what happened was deception and was in actual fact a work of satan bearing in mind the church has been attested as spiritual and evangelical and that the meeting was heavy on the presence of God?
If you say that is the case, can you produce any evidence that it was satan healing the young man and if that was the case, why would he do something in a church that is going to give glory to God for what happened?
Let me give you one example. A church has been in existence for 20 years, which means we have had plenty of time to assess where they are at. They are a church that focuses on the presence of God in their meetings, preferring that to hyped up mush. They hold a healing service and during the prayer time a young man with only one hand sees the other grow and he ends up with two functioning hands.
Now I want to ask a question. Is there anyone out there game enough to say that what happened was deception and was in actual fact a work of satan bearing in mind the church has been attested as spiritual and evangelical and that the meeting was heavy on the presence of God?
If you say that is the case, can you produce any evidence that it was satan healing the young man and if that was the case, why would he do something in a church that is going to give glory to God for what happened?
Really? Boldness is certainly a characteristic of the devil. At this point in time I have only your word of testimony as to the facts in this event. Some form of verification would be appreciated. Lest some skeptic be given to doubt.
Science is in the process of growing replacement limbs and appendages through stem cells. So who knows what is possible apart from God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Science is in the process of growing replacement limbs and appendages through stem cells. So who knows what is possible apart from God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Nice, musta, very nice. I'm saving these in my files for future reference. Any particular way you want to be annotated?
Sadly, there is a sizeable and vocal contingent here who believe it was all said and done back in 70AD, and who are now just hangin' in the airport lounge awaiting their flight. Proclaiming God but denying His power. Or at least denying it in themselves.
Again, remember, satan will counterfeit miracles, and while I don't think it's as bad as attributing the Holy Spirit's work to him, I don't think we should blindly attribute his work to the Holy Spirit. So while miracles are evidence of the Holy Spirit at work, we still need to discern when miracles are not. Test the spirits we're told. But one can only do that if one believes in them, and it only benefits satan for one not to believe in them.
See, now, I understand where you're coming from, Roger, if these things really happen there should be medical records to verify it. And again, if you really really need them, I'll ask my sister in law if I can show you hers. But that's missing the point; Jesus never sent any one He healed to a doctor did He? Didn't He usually send them out into the people or to the synagogue rulers as testimony of God's power in Him? That's because these things were spiritual, not worldly healings, and spirtual gifts require faith not medical records. You know faith, that belief in things unseen... it is only thru belief and faith in the unseen that you will ever see them. Matthew 13:58 And He did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith says all you need to know about why you don't see miracles happening. Showing you medical records isn't going to make it happen for you Roger. Believing it can, believing He will, is what greases the wheel.
Lest some Christian have faith...
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I think its a mistake to presume that miracles and healings don't occur because of a lack of faith. Maybe they don't occur as a test of faith? We live in a time of faith and grace, not a time of evidence and miracles. Jesus said; "Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed" (John 20:29). And remember that Paul's faith surpassed ours, but yet the thorn in his side (ailment) was not healed; "And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me" (2 Corinthians 12:9).
T
Roger,
Now you say BOLDNESS is a characteristic of the devil...Well sir, the Bible says you are wrong.
Acts 4.13-
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
The pharisees saw the boldness of Peter and John and that bible says that boldness did not come from the devil. That boldness came from the fact they had been with Jesus!
Acts 4.24-31, look at verse 31 hard sir...
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
[SUP]30 [/SUP]By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
This clearly tell us that boldness is given by the Holy Ghost, not the devil. You continually blaspheme the Holy Ghost with every post you make.
Acts 4 proves you are wrong, will you be Christian enough to recant you foolishness or will your pride deny this verse as you constantly do with other verses!?!?!
Now you say BOLDNESS is a characteristic of the devil...Well sir, the Bible says you are wrong.
Acts 4.13-
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
The pharisees saw the boldness of Peter and John and that bible says that boldness did not come from the devil. That boldness came from the fact they had been with Jesus!
Acts 4.24-31, look at verse 31 hard sir...
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
[SUP]30 [/SUP]By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
This clearly tell us that boldness is given by the Holy Ghost, not the devil. You continually blaspheme the Holy Ghost with every post you make.
Acts 4 proves you are wrong, will you be Christian enough to recant you foolishness or will your pride deny this verse as you constantly do with other verses!?!?!
Faith comes from the word of God not from miracles.
So your sister grew a new hand?
Everything God does has a purpose. He heals whom He wills and afflicts whom He wills. God has the liberty to be God. Men claiming to wield this authority cause me to have great reservations as to their veracity.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
So your sister grew a new hand?
Everything God does has a purpose. He heals whom He wills and afflicts whom He wills. God has the liberty to be God. Men claiming to wield this authority cause me to have great reservations as to their veracity.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You just are not going get it are you? Boldness to proclaim the word of God is not the same as boldness to proclaim a lie. A lack of discernment is evident apart from the Holy Spirit.
The scripture states that the devil can appear as an angel of light. How will you know if it is the devil or an angel of God? 2 Cor 11:14
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The scripture states that the devil can appear as an angel of light. How will you know if it is the devil or an angel of God? 2 Cor 11:14
For the cause of Christ
Roger
T
Sorry Roger, like all other times, I am not letting you off the hook. You stated matter of factually that boldness is of the devil...period. You did not put anything around it, you made a blank statement. I completely understand the difference between boldness to be used of God and Boldness to proclaim a lie.
You did not say that, you stated Boldness is of the devil.
I get discernment by praying for it, just like Proverbs tells me to. Because I pray for discernment and God grants that petition, and I train myself by testing every spirit[1 John 4.1-3], and by being a partaker of the divine nature and confirmed in the image of his son, renew my mind to have the mind of Christ. I get to eat the meat of the word, which further solidifies my discernment. [Heb 5.14-15]
The Spirit bears witness with my spirit and gives me the boldness to discern between God and the devil. I cannot do it at all on my own, in him I live, move and have my being, I cannot do it without Jesus. He gives me these things, because he says in his word, to ask for them.
I have been around many devils on prayer lines, but I have also seen God show up and show off on those same prayer lines.
You sir, have a form of Godliness, but deny the power thereof. You cower and elevate the enemy to a status because you afraid to be wrong. Stay with the powdered milk...but stop making absolute statements that are not Biblical and call them as such.
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Ask God for wisdom and understanding[which is really discernment] and help open your heart. There is more to God than placing him in a box.
You did not say that, you stated Boldness is of the devil.
I get discernment by praying for it, just like Proverbs tells me to. Because I pray for discernment and God grants that petition, and I train myself by testing every spirit[1 John 4.1-3], and by being a partaker of the divine nature and confirmed in the image of his son, renew my mind to have the mind of Christ. I get to eat the meat of the word, which further solidifies my discernment. [Heb 5.14-15]
The Spirit bears witness with my spirit and gives me the boldness to discern between God and the devil. I cannot do it at all on my own, in him I live, move and have my being, I cannot do it without Jesus. He gives me these things, because he says in his word, to ask for them.
I have been around many devils on prayer lines, but I have also seen God show up and show off on those same prayer lines.
You sir, have a form of Godliness, but deny the power thereof. You cower and elevate the enemy to a status because you afraid to be wrong. Stay with the powdered milk...but stop making absolute statements that are not Biblical and call them as such.
-OR-
Ask God for wisdom and understanding[which is really discernment] and help open your heart. There is more to God than placing him in a box.
T
That kind of feeble minded Christianity is completely contrary to what Jesus said we have in him. The devil is under my feet and he stays there because I have been given power and authority over him, through our Lord Jesus Christ. I have given power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt me!
I do not rejoice that the spirits are subject to me, but I rejoice in the fact my name is written in the lambs book of life!!!
If the devil is so powerful, then why is it an angel and a low ranking angel at that, chains him up and puts him in the pit at the end of the age!?!? God does not do it a mere angel does it
The boldness I have been given is to empower me for the call. You seem to let the enemy empower you into nothing and that is exactly where he wants people, especially church people.
I do not rejoice that the spirits are subject to me, but I rejoice in the fact my name is written in the lambs book of life!!!
If the devil is so powerful, then why is it an angel and a low ranking angel at that, chains him up and puts him in the pit at the end of the age!?!? God does not do it a mere angel does it
The boldness I have been given is to empower me for the call. You seem to let the enemy empower you into nothing and that is exactly where he wants people, especially church people.
May I be allowed to say that this reply is one of the most vapid and limp wristed responses I have ever seen.
First you did not answer my question.
Second, I made no mention of boldness.
Third. I don't like being called a liar.
Fourth. As science has not done this yet, it is totally irrelevant apart from the fact that this happened in a church, not in an operating theatre.
Fifth. I doubt what you said is for the cause of Christ.
First you did not answer my question.
Second, I made no mention of boldness.
Third. I don't like being called a liar.
Fourth. As science has not done this yet, it is totally irrelevant apart from the fact that this happened in a church, not in an operating theatre.
Fifth. I doubt what you said is for the cause of Christ.