Women Keep Silent (Please Don't Derail)

[homwardbound]

The flesh is the male... the husband.
The soul of everyone whether they are a guy or girl is a woman. Of course this is symbolic language an individual is not made up of male and female. The Lord uses these symbols to show us how Christ becomes our husband. The soul was married to the flesh. The flesh is destroyed by Christ, the soul then becomes free to marry Christ, which results in the birth of our spirit... Body (Christ), Soul (woman), Spirit (the twain, Christ and the woman shall become one - spiritual birth).

Psa_34:2 My soul shall make her boast in the LORD: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.

Yes, yet you are using the allegory as reality, in a symbolic sense, I see this. Yet this is still on dangerous ground to mixing male and female and separating. It is only an allegory of and about Law whenever it flows through flesh, male or female it shows the weakness of flesh, whether male or female
Do you see that. Sandwiching a lie between truths is very good in possibly fooling the very elect , but does not fly with Father at the day of Judgment
The Devil was and is a liar from the beginning, with Adam and Eve. and to this very day does it very well, and only God's Spirit can discern truth from error, thanking Christ fro the way the truth and the life found in Christ, via the Spirit of Father that Christ sent to us in redeeming us, where again there is no male, Female, Jew or Greek we are all one in Christ those that believe and that God has accepted in the beloved
No flesh in God's sight will ever please God except Christ's is the only one, that ever did and ever will
Sorry you are not getting this and to me are taking it out of context. Anyway to each their own. I trust God to deliver and do whatever God has planned period.

 

[DragonSlayer]

I think this thread has proven the point of my original post. I am a believer and hopefully everyone else that commented on this thread are believers also. We as believers are the woman. I, as one woman, was trying to teach you another women ,a spiritual truth but you guys could not see it and argument and confusion took over this thread.

This is exactly why women (flesh) and women (spirit) should be silent in church. God knows exactly how he made us and if we don't follow in accordance with his word... we breed confusion.

Now, I would just ask that each of you go home and take what I have said to your husband (Christ) and let him show you whether or not what I have told you is true.

" I, as one woman " ? " and argument and confusion took over this thread " ?
This is truly ironic because you clearly speak a language of confusion right now.

It's written :
" For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. "
1 Corinthians 14 : 33 ( KJV )

I, for one, am a man, and so are you. Why do you call yourself a woman then ?
There is no room to try and change the Scriptures so that they can appeal to your flesh.

Right after that verse, it's written : " Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. "
1 Corinthians 14 : 34-37 ( KJV )

The Word is clear.
There is no room to be " a prophet " or " spiritual "
and try and change the Scriptures so that they can appeal to your flesh.

It's the Lord's commandments and there is nothing to change here !

 

[p_rehbein]

" I, as one woman " ? " and argument and confusion took over this thread " ?
This is truly ironic because you clearly speak a language of confusion right now.

It's written :
" For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. "
1 Corinthians 14 : 33 ( KJV )

I, for one, am a man, and so are you. Why do you call yourself a woman then ?
There is no room to try and change the Scriptures so that they can appeal to your flesh.

Right after that verse, it's written : " Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. "
1 Corinthians 14 : 34-37 ( KJV )

The Word is clear.
There is no room to be " a prophet " or " spiritual "
and try and change the Scriptures so that they can appeal to your flesh.

It's the Lord's commandments and there is nothing to change here !

Can't say for sure, but I think he is referring to the Church (all members male or female) being the Bride (woman) of Christ (man)............when he refers to himself as "I, as one woman.........." But, even then, it appears to be a wee bit confusing. On another web site, a couple years ago, this same SN had two different people posting under it......and that was really confusing because one was "male," and the other claimed to me "female." Used to make my head spin........

 

[DragonSlayer]

Can't say for sure, but I think he is referring to the Church (all members male or female) being the Bride (woman) of Christ (man)............when he refers to himself as "I, as one woman.........." But, even then, it appears to be a wee bit confusing. On another web site, a couple years ago, this same SN had two different people posting under it......and that was really confusing because one was "male," and the other claimed to me "female." Used to make my head spin........

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All I know is that it has nothing to do with what the Lord said,
and the Lord is not an author of confusion,
but the Lord is an author of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

God will never condone any language of confusion !

No room for the ancient serpent to try and confuse people's minds ! There is only one truth !

 

[jesusgirl4u]

Growing up, my dad did not allow me or my sisters to speak in Church. My brothers could. I didn't understand it then but I am so glad he did that now. I am very anti-feminist and completely believe in taking the submissive and obedient role that I should have in my life and family. I don't believe I am equal to a man and the Bible says that. I believe I should serve and obey the men in my life. I am not interested in being anything other than a God loving girl in him.

 

[RuthHannah]

Growing up, my dad did not allow me or my sisters to speak in Church. My brothers could. I didn't understand it then but I am so glad he did that now. I am very anti-feminist and completely believe in taking the submissive and obedient role that I should have in my life and family. I don't believe I am equal to a man and the Bible says that. I believe I should serve and obey the men in my life. I am not interested in being anything other than a God loving girl in him.

That does not say that you will let the guy walk over you like a door mat

 

[Gjolll]

That does not say that you will let the guy walk over you like a door mat

Did she say that?

 

[Praus]

That does not say that you will let the guy walk over you like a door mat

1 Cor 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

 

[2Thewaters]

Let all the men kep silent too

Hab 2:20 But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him.

nothing to do with women ONLY

Women can teach in the temple too
it is a matter of silence

reverance


why are you so worried about women not teaching when the Bible says women are chosen as prophets also and TAUGHT the men IN THE TEMPLE?


Luke 2:36 And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;
Luke 2:37 And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.
Luke 2:38 And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.


it is not about women cant be pastors...
it is about not speaking in church and haveing a Bible study about what the pastor is saying

we are not to speak in church men OR women
revenrance

God certainly allowed woomen to be prophets and teach in the temple and a prophet is way above a pastor

a pastor SERVES God

anna was a pastor
Huldah was a prophetess..

It would be better to do what God says
and Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy
and to to rememberthe Sabbath when not a single word in the Bible tells you to worship on sunday...

 

[oldhermit]

Let all the men kep silent too

Hab 2:20 But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him.

nothing to do with women ONLY

Women can teach in the temple too
it is a matter of silence

reverance


why are you so worried about women not teaching when the Bible says women are chosen as prophets also and TAUGHT the men IN THE TEMPLE?


Luke 2:36 And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;
Luke 2:37 And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.
Luke 2:38 And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.


it is not about women cant be pastors...
it is about not speaking in church and haveing a Bible study about what the pastor is saying

we are not to speak in church men OR women
revenrance

God certainly allowed woomen to be prophets and teach in the temple and a prophet is way above a pastor

a pastor SERVES God

anna was a pastor
Huldah was a prophetess..

It would be better to do what God says
and Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy
and to to rememberthe Sabbath when not a single word in the Bible tells you to worship on sunday...

Your post is a perfect example of 2Peter 3:15-16
"Even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction."

 

[tucksma]

Hey new poster on here and I didn't read past the 2 page of this thread so if I am repeating anything sorry.

Okay so the first problem I saw is that the original poster basically reworded the bible.
WE CAN NOT DO THAT.

The interpretation that this is referring to anything other than actual females is a stretch. The idea that this women refers to us and the it is saying we should check our own scriptures is adding way too much into it. Although I agree we should do that and the bible supports that elsewhere, to say that this is referring to that just isn't there.

Now by no means am I sexist at all or do I think women are any less than men but I do feel that women should not teach in church. Now I'm sure many are thinking that is the definition of sexist right? Well yes if the bible didn't support different but equal roles.

Basically there are 2 gender rolls. For men we are leaders. We teach, lead the church, try to be more like christ, are the head of the house, and focus on the church as a whole.

Women are the support role. They help the church is ways like supporting members individually not as a whole. They also take care of the children.

This is viewed as sexist by worldly definition but in God's eyes this is equal. Different roles but respected the same. The bible states men should treat their wives with EXTREME respect and love.

These roles are equal! Without a leader there would be no one to lead the church or family. Without the support there would be no need for the leader. We are all one in christ meaning that we are equal but the bible is consistent in the fact that we have different roles.

 

[tucksma]

Let all the men kep silent too

Hab 2:20 But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him.

nothing to do with women ONLY

Women can teach in the temple too
it is a matter of silence

reverance


why are you so worried about women not teaching when the Bible says women are chosen as prophets also and TAUGHT the men IN THE TEMPLE?


Luke 2:36 And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;
Luke 2:37 And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.
Luke 2:38 And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.


it is not about women cant be pastors...
it is about not speaking in church and haveing a Bible study about what the pastor is saying

we are not to speak in church men OR women
revenrance

God certainly allowed woomen to be prophets and teach in the temple and a prophet is way above a pastor

a pastor SERVES God

anna was a pastor
Huldah was a prophetess..

It would be better to do what God says
and Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy
and to to rememberthe Sabbath when not a single word in the Bible tells you to worship on sunday...

To this what I have to say is that you are taking scriptures and making them fit what you want them to. If I wanted to I could make Satan look like a good guy if I tried hard enough. You need to look at the whole of scripture to make your beliefs.

Also with Anna there is a difference between a 1 on 1 conversation and being a pastor.

I believe the reason God created these roles as they are is back with Adam and Eve. Eve was tricked into sinning, Adam knew what he was doing. Sense Eve was tricked God made women the support role so that the leaders of the church do not get tricked. I'm not trying to say women are gullible or any of that. I'm a male and I myself am very gullible. I just believe this is why God made it how it is now. The entirety of the bible supports different but equal roles, and women not teaching in the church is one of the roles that they are not for.

You are saying the focus of this section isn't focused on women not speaking, but read it. It says women and it says they are not supposed to speak in church. Because that offends people they do exactly what you are doing and play with it so it fits what you want. But read it. It says women, and it says they are not supposed to speak in the church. Dont play with it. Don't try to make it say what you want it to say. It is God's word and take it for what it's worth.

 

[RuthHannah]

To this what I have to say is that you are taking scriptures and making them fit what you want them to. If I wanted to I could make Satan look like a good guy if I tried hard enough. You need to look at the whole of scripture to make your beliefs.

Also with Anna there is a difference between a 1 on 1 conversation and being a pastor.

I believe the reason God created these roles as they are is back with Adam and Eve. Eve was tricked into sinning, Adam knew what he was doing. Sense Eve was tricked God made women the support role so that the leaders of the church do not get tricked. I'm not trying to say women are gullible or any of that. I'm a male and I myself am very gullible. I just believe this is why God made it how it is now. The entirety of the bible supports different but equal roles, and women not teaching in the church is one of the roles that they are not for.

You are saying the focus of this section isn't focused on women not speaking, but read it. It says women and it says they are not supposed to speak in church. Because that offends people they do exactly what you are doing and play with it so it fits what you want. But read it. It says women, and it says they are not supposed to speak in the church. Dont play with it. Don't try to make it say what you want it to say. It is God's word and take it for what it's worth.

nope eve tricked Adam she knew evil before him thus she decieved him

 

[Gjolll]

The concept of women not speaking in church is naturally alien to Trinitarians, who imagine equality between Gods, for equal Gods is based on the notion of equality between persons.

For some religion is mainly about equalization (or even a form of communism). They are a long way from right understanding religion as about the maintenance of order, and headship, and one's place in life and in the world (cf 1 Cor 7;20).

Inequality is not unjust in the context of unity of which marriage is a token. Feminism is the natural outworking of Trinitarianism, which is why we see so many Trinitarian denominations given over to promulgating women ministers.

 

[Kerry]

Trinitarians HMMM. That reminds me of some one.

 

[Kerry]

But anyway I have seen women putting on make up while driving on 285. That can kill people. But, God can use a woman just as He can use a donkey.

 

[tucksma]

nope eve tricked Adam she knew evil before him thus she decieved him

Actually no, Adam was not tricked. Adam did it of his own doing. He was handed it and ate. The serpent never spoke to him. Only Eve was tricked.

 

[KJV1611]

Actually no, Adam was not tricked. Adam did it of his own doing. He was handed it and ate. The serpent never spoke to him. Only Eve was tricked.

Adam was the (Christ the husband), Eve was the wife (church).
That's what the whole point of this post was. Women (church members) should learn from their husbands (Christ).

 

[tucksma]

Adam was the (Christ the husband), Eve was the wife (church).
That's what the whole point of this post was. Women (church members) should learn from their husbands (Christ).

I agree that church members should learn from Christ. But sense men represent christ and women represent the church, women should also learn from their husbands. You can't take out and switch words in scripture because it offends you. The word states women, which can mean church members, but also means women. Paul states generally the same message in 1 tim that women shouldn't teach in the church. And in that section if you replace women with church members you are saying that no church members should teach Christ which although is true, doesn't fit the context of the chapter AT ALL.

 

[KJV1611]

I agree that church members should learn from Christ. But sense men represent christ and women represent the church, women should also learn from their husbands. You can't take out and switch words in scripture because it offends you. The word states women, which can mean church members, but also means women. Paul states generally the same message in 1 tim that women shouldn't teach in the church. And in that section if you replace women with church members you are saying that no church members should teach Christ which although is true, doesn't fit the context of the chapter AT ALL.

It's like this tucksma, most scripture if not all scripture has more than one level of understanding. I fully agree that a woman is to be silent in the church and learn from her husband at home. At the same time and on another level, the woman (the believer) should be silent in the church and learn from her husband (Christ) at home. We as believers can never learn from other believers, we have to get into our bibles and let Jesus teach us through his word. God is the only one that can reveal his word to us... it can't be taught.

Some people are under the misconception that the entire body of believers is the woman. This is not true each believer is the woman and our husband is Christ. The bible refers to our souls as the woman.

Psa 34:2 My soul shall make her boast in the LORD: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.