Poligamy in the Bible...

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I don't want to go over all of this again. Read some of my other posts. God created sin.

Sin was created by his woman who THOUGHT about disobeying God before she did it. It was premeditated SIN

God condones murder as long as its outside your tribe and a non jew
God is okay with abortion and the jews have an instruction manual in the bible!
God made unicorns, dragons, witches, giants (sons of enoch) and homosexuals

God killed judas son, god killed onan, judah was going to have his prostitute killed (by burning) until he found out she was preggo with his son!

God had davids slaves raped by his son in public then enslaves them for the rest of their lives.
Esther became queen by having a sex contest!
Talk of how a whore wanted to have a man spew semen like a horse and more! In fact this crap would get you banned for typing it out!

Men are always better than women in the bible.

God clearly violated Pharaohs free will as well as he did in Job.
 

Oak

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How was Jesus the beginning and the end?

The bible seems to speak as if Paul thought Jesus was coming back to take him in his lifetime and that of course never happened. How could he be confused if God gave him Holy power?

He"s setting everyone free to unveil the thing that were hidden inside of them.

Rev. 22:11 Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.” 12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

1 Thessalonians 5:2
for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.


 

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I don't want to go over all of this again. Read some of my other posts. God created sin.

Sin was created by his woman who THOUGHT about disobeying God before she did it. It was premeditated SIN

God condones murder as long as its outside your tribe and a non jew
God is okay with abortion and the jews have an instruction manual in the bible!
God made unicorns, dragons, witches, giants (sons of enoch) and homosexuals

God killed judas son, god killed onan, judah was going to have his prostitute killed (by burning) until he found out she was preggo with his son!

God had davids slaves raped by his son in public then enslaves them for the rest of their lives.
Esther became queen by having a sex contest!
Talk of how a whore wanted to have a man spew semen like a horse and more! In fact this crap would get you banned for typing it out!

Men are always better than women in the bible.

God clearly violated Pharaohs free will as well as he did in Job.
God did not create sin and God does not make people sin. That is the same as people claiming the devil made them sin. Sin is the rebellious choice of the individual, to choose temporary and carnal pleasure over God.

Incidentally, the Bible itself says that sin came through one man, Adam, and redemption came through one Man, Jesus. Stop blaming Eve and God for your choices and your sin.
 

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God created one man and one woman. Man because his heart was hard took multiple wives to himself. God sort of allowed it but in every case it cause hardship for the family unit.

God allowed it to illustrate Israel following after many gods like the nations around them. Lesson still unlearned today. Sin or trespass would be a good question. Without a doubt it was an unwise undertaking.

For the cause of Christ
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Ok the Bible also states clearly that God hates divorce. how about a person who for example was in a polygamous relationship and then came to Christ. what step do you think such a one should take seeing that the only permitted reason for divorce is adultery...
That reminded me the "case" Jesus met a woman from Samaria. He knew she had had 5 men and told her: "...The one you have is not your husband..." (John)

Joh_4:18 You've had five husbands, and the man you have now isn't your husband. You've told the truth."

Was He admiting divorce? (or telling her you are a sinner?)

I´m a sinner! After divorce I planned to remarried but -legally- it could be as sinful as leaving a wife and those children...

Could these legal cases be sorted?

Mat 19:7 The Pharisees asked him, "Why, then, did Moses order a man to give his wife a written notice to divorce her?"
Mat 19:8 Jesus answered them, "Moses allowed you to divorce your wives because you're heartless. It was never this way in the beginning.
Mat 19:9 I can guarantee that whoever divorces his wife for any reason other than her unfaithfulness is committing adultery if he marries another woman."
Mat 19:10 The disciples said to him, "If that is the only reason a man can use to divorce his wife, it's better not to get married."
Mat 19:11 He answered them, "Not everyone can do what you suggest. Only those who have that gift can.
 
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@ secularhermit

First on subject of Moses. From my understanding of the Bible, Zipporah (Sephora) is the Cushite woman. So for one this is not polygamy and no other wife to Moses is ever mentioned (as far as I am aware.) Though you do raise good point on possible Law Giver breaking his own law. Though if I were to argue in Moses defense I would say that you must remember that Moses married Zipporah before he even knew God. Kinda intriguing is actually Moses account of the Burning Bush and first meeting with the Spirit of God is in Chapter 3, directly after his marriage to Zipporah while out tending to her dad's flocks at that.

Actually quite intriguing that Miriam and Aaron actually were ones to grumble about Moses marriage to Zipporah to which God Himself appeared before them as a pillar of cloud and rebuked them and even cursed Miriam with leprosy for 7 days to make her feel her shame. Numbers Chapter 12 is the story of this event.


As for your cool real life example, I would say if the woman is happy with the marriage then that is a good thing. I think a real Man would treat his wife like a Queen no matter his or her age. Though I do get your point on the money issue. I don't feel money should be a reason to get married or not get married either.


@4enlightment Again good scripture quotes! You are a font of finding good scripture quotes!
 
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How was Jesus the beginning and the end?

The bible seems to speak as if Paul thought Jesus was coming back to take him in his lifetime and that of course never happened. How could he be confused if God gave him Holy power?
Well if we stand on the rooftop, we will be letting God know that we are ready, because this time, no one will not know of His coming, not even the Magi. So it is best to make sure that you have plenty of oil in your lamp to burn every night until He come; but if the oil runs out before, He wouldn't see you in the dark.
 
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Remember there was no law before the 10 commandments...... so when Moses married his wife he broke no law for it was not yet written.
 
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Polygamy is a sin. The only reason that Abraham and the others did these things was because they bought into the culture of the time. If God wanted man to have many wives, He would have made Adam and Eve and Betty and Janet and Karen. He didn't, though, did He? And consider that God wanted one man (Adam) and one woman (Eve) to begin the population of the entire earth. If polygamy was approved by God, He would have done so from the very beginning.
Non-sequitur. You could also argue that Abraham sinned by offering Isaac as a sacrifice, because sacrifice was not engaged in, in the garden of Eden. In fact many things were not done in the Garden of Eden. Doesn't mean that they are sinful.

Secondly, Utah just legalized polygamy for all, meaning a woman can now have multiple husbands. Hmmmm. And, why did they legalize it? Because gay marriage is now legal. Yup. That's right. So the basis if polygamy in Utah is essentially, "Well, if a man can marry a man, then we most assuredly can't say that a man can marry seven men at the same time, right? Right."
There is no biblical conception of homosexual marriage. It doesn't exist except as a perversion or rebellion against God.

By this logic, the progressive logic, we are all heading places God never intended. The last days are upon us. This is evident with the fact that churches support these wrong practices within their walls. Yup.
Not sure where you're coming from, but the definitive statement of whether polygamy is sin, must be that Paul the apostle did not command the polygamist to divorce his excess wives, which he most assuredly would have done, had it been sinful per se, (cf 1 Cor 5), but only prevented him from being an elder.

Also there is nothing in the OT that says polygamy is sinful, although it clearly might become sinful in certain situations, such as in the present day.
 
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mystdancer50

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Non-sequitur. You could also argue that Abraham sinned by offering Isaac as a sacrifice, because sacrifice was not engaged in, in the garden of Eden. In fact many things were not done in the Garden of Eden. Doesn't mean that they are sinful.


There is no biblical conception of homosexual marriage. It doesn't exist except as a perversion or rebellion against God.


Not sure where you're coming from, but the definitive statement of whether polygamy is sin, must be that Paul the apostle did not command the polygamist to divorce his excess wives, which he most assuredly would have done, had it been sinful, (cf 1 Cor 5), but only prevented him from being an elder.
I wasn't defending gay marriage, I was showing the growing degradation of America.

I don't understand the 'apples' to 'oranges' comparisons people use for their arguments. Since when does the sacrifice of sin have anything to do with having multiple wives. If you want to justify a disagreement, you must do so with a similar act/sin. To say that Abraham obeying God's command to sacrifice Isaac nullifies Adam and Eve justifying marriage for one man and one woman, not multiple spouses, doesn't even line up.

Add to this that there was no need for sacrifice in the garden, as sin did not exist. You will, of course, recall that God killed animals and made clothes for Adam and Eve AFTER they sinned, thus the blood covering offering for their sin. So, yet again, your point is moot.

And, once again, I am showing that, under the 'progressive' flag of America, we are degrading and progressing toward satan and his vile ways, as opposed to actually serving God.
 

Oak

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someone did a horrible job of that parable!

Well if we stand on the rooftop, we will be letting God know that we are ready, because this time, no one will not know of His coming, not even the Magi. So it is best to make sure that you have plenty of oil in your lamp to burn every night until He come; but if the oil runs out before, He wouldn't see you in the dark.
 

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No you cannot turn this into a moral argument because secular morality far superior, I just proved it, we have LAWS God's laws are less moral (fact) he allows rape, murder, incest, etc!

God did not create sin and God does not make people sin. That is the same as people claiming the devil made them sin. Sin is the rebellious choice of the individual, to choose temporary and carnal pleasure over God.

Incidentally, the Bible itself says that sin came through one man, Adam, and redemption came through one Man, Jesus. Stop blaming Eve and God for your choices and your sin.
 
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Remember there was no law before the 10 commandments...... so when Moses married his wife he broke no law for it was not yet written.
According to the Laws, the man is the one that carry the seeds and which kept the bloodline going. So if the man marry a woman of a different nationality, it is okay. Rahab wasn't of the seed of Abraham, but she is mentioned in the bloodline of David. Miriam despise Ziporrah for other reasons.
 

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No you cannot turn this into a moral argument because secular morality far superior, I just proved it, we have LAWS God's laws are less moral (fact) he allows rape, murder, incest, etc!
You have absolutely NO idea who God is. The fact that you can make such uneducated statements as you do proves that. I am adding you to my ignore list. I don't need to listen to foolish propaganda.
 

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Husky394hp Pastor Bryan would disagree. I think he agrees essentially secular morality of things such as murder, rape, and whatnot are ingrained in us. We know these things are bad because God made us this way etc.

Remember there was no law before the 10 commandments...... so when Moses married his wife he broke no law for it was not yet written.
 
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@Oak In regards to your many statements in your first post of Page 2. I am not sure if what you are saying is intentionally corrupting and falsifying the Bible or rather you really don't know, but I find it quite unsettling how you try to justify sin especially with lies and half-truth. This bothers me a great deal because it shows that you my brother are being mislead. However I have taken the time to go over each of these claims to find if there is any truth to them.

First let's start with your claim that God created sin. This is all ready well put away as it is clearly Mankind and Satan's fault that sin enterred the World. As God is Life and sin is the antithesis of life, so God did not create sin. In the Garden of Eden there was no sin until Mankind brought it into the World.

Now let's start where you did not lie, but told half truth. This is the account of Er, Onan, Judah and Tamar. This story can be found in chapter 38 of Genesis. First you are correct the Creator sent Er and Onan down to the nethers because they are wicked and sinful and their own sin brought them Death (and it should b noted God also promises to raise Er and Onan back up on Judgement Day along with all people that ever lived.) You are also correct that Judah slept with Tamar because she decieved him. Did God tell Tamar to do this? No. Did God tell Judah to do this? No. Even Judah admits at the end of the chapter with his own lips that he is sinful, and even proclaims he is more sinful than Tamar for forsaking his promise to marry her to his son Shelah.

Second, yet again a half-truth. Eve does bear responsibility for bringing sin into the World, though remember this is because she was fed a lie by Satan the first sinner. This also does not negate Adam of sin because Adam chose to listen to Eve instead of God just as Eve chose to listen to Satan instead of God just as Satan chose to weave lies and commit idolatry instead of listen to God. Also since Eve is literally made out of Adam's flesh so too any sin she committed is Adam's sin. There is no such thing as premeditated sin, there only is or is not sin. I also found your statement in saying Eve brought sin into the world to be a great contradiction to your own first statement saying God made sin.

You say God condones murder, yet this is not true. Look how the sin of murder grieves Cain and his progeny Lamech (Lamech father of Tubal-Cain, not to be confused with Lamech father of Noah.) You say God condones abortion, but again you are incorrect, though I will add though that in many parts of Ecclesiates The Preacher son of David (allegedly Solomon) does not condone abortion, but he does ponder upon the fact that perhaps it is better not to be born at all than to live in this wicked world that Man hath made wicked.

You say God made unicorns, and this maybe true as far as I am aware the earliest mention I know of unicorns is by Marco Polo, and this is what the Ancients called the rhinocerous which still lives on Earth today. And it is true God made The Dragon (which is Satan) and Satan forsook God, thus Satan dooms himself.

And you say God made witches, but this is false for you either know what witchcraft is and are therefore trying to justify it or you do not understand what witchcraft is. Witchcraft is when you think you are using demons, but really they are using you. This is why witchcraft is sinful, because it hurts even you and those around you. Same with homosexuality, homosexuality is merely shame and sexual abuse and thus it is sinful because it hurts you and other people. The same is comparable to polygamy. God said those who sin sexually sin against themselves. He was right and there are countless examples of this outside of the Bible even in today's time for proof. God did not choose this for you, you chose this yourself.

You say that the Giants are offspring of Enoch, which really makes me wonder about whether you follow the occultists or are just a fool. You should know it say numerous times the Giants are the offspring of the fallen angels and humans. The giant gene also carried over into the post-Flood World with Nimrod, son of Cush, son of Ham, given as its first resurgence.

Now your blatant falsehoods: Let's start with goodly Esther. Esther the Bible say was a virgin when she married Ahasuerus (Xerxes I.) In fact Esther 2:17 specifically says Xerxes loved her above all the virgins in his harem. Lol though you could make a solid argument that Xerxes certainly was over-sexual and was definantly a big time polygamist. Esther is a good example of how even though her husband was sinful, because of her goodness and suffering through the toils of this World she was able to save her people and be one of the greatest heroes of all time.

(As for David's son raping and enslaving servants this is either a fabrication or a corruption of the story of Amnon. I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you refer to Amnon.) In regards to Amnon (2 Samuel Chapter 13) who himself committed the sin of raping his brother Absalom's sister Tamar (not to be confused with Tamar of Genesis.) Who committed that sin Amnon or God? Clearly it was Amnon and then who killed Amnon and David's other brothers? Absalom did by deceit and thus began Absalom's Revolt. This grieved David much to heart and David even forbade the slaying of Absalom, whom Joab would then slay later (another point of interest is Joab offered to pay an unnamed man to slay Absalom, but the man refused due to David expressly commanding not to harm Absalom.) So it is that Amnon, Absalom, and Joab all sinned because one sin lead to a cascade of more sin. This is a good example of why sin is contrary to God and for good reason too.

As for your claim God denied Pharoah freewill, that's just madness! God gave Pharoah 12 chances to free Israel of his own freewill. I suppose you could excuse Pharoah for not obeying this command after the first few plagues as he thought Moses was merely doing witchcraft since Pharoah's court magicians were able to replicate the first few plagues until the plague of boils. Then even after all the plagues Pharoah even turns his back on his own word and tries to pursue the Israelites to which as you know his army is crushed because of his foolishness, deceit, and treachery.

Then you say God took away Job's freewill, and that is wholly untrue and defies the entire plot of The Book of Job. God let Satan do whatever he pleased with Job because Satan (again sinning and dooming himself some more) thought he could tempt God into destroying Job unjustly and to tempt Job into making Job curse God to God's face. Satan even tries to make the point that Job only worships God because his life is good (an argument that Job does not have freewill because he leads a fruitful life), thus God allows Satan to even bring hardship on Job. The whole point of the wager was to see if Job acting on his own freewill would blaspheme the LORD. Though Job curses even his own birth Job does not curse God proving that by his own freewill Job chooses God and the Path of Life.

Your talk of the whore and the horse issue stuff is a parable of Ezekial which I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you misinterpretted it (even though the interpretation is literally in same chapter Ezekial 23.) The whore is Jerusalem whom God accuses of being a whore for the idols and magic and evil of various kingdoms such as Chaldea. So yes, God use strong language, and He has every Right to, but this is not God's fault that Jerusalem forsook Him, this is the fault of Jerusalem (also added note there are two metaphorical whores in this parable, the other being Samaria the old capital of the northern kingdom, Israel. Whereas Jerusalem was the capital of the southern kingdom Judah.) Also to return to the topic of polygamy, this parable is a good parable for why God does not approve of polygamy, for just as God likens idolatry to whoredom and adultery, so polygamy is like idolatry in that you cannot worship many gods and keep the One God happy just as you cannot marry many spouses and keep the One Spouse happy.

Not too sure why you are so quick to defend Satan and sin and polygamy and all these other unclean things. Sin ain't good for you man, it hurts others and it hurts yourself. Perhaps you feel guilty, that's okay, we are all guilty at one point or another. What you should do is read the Bible in full before you try to misconstrue it, understand why Mankind is guilty. Even look at secular history and events of the World even today and you will see easily how Mankind doom himself constantly even as we type here. But also try to understand that the LORD can forgive and wipe away all sins and grant you the gift of Salvation and Life.

(And my apologies to our poor and goodly moderators for this ordeal. God bless you for your patience and understanding.)
 
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Husky394hp Pastor Bryan would disagree. I think he agrees essentially secular morality of things such as murder, rape, and whatnot are ingrained in us. We know these things are bad because God made us this way etc.
I think that you are confusing the scriptures with this tale. The scriptures is about Jesus, not Zeus.


[h=1]Did Zeus *REALLY* kidnap Ganymede to make him his "cupbearer" or to be his consort and have relations with him?[/h]
Myths, like fairy tales, often are sanitized to make them less controversial and more acceptable to modern audiences. All versions of that myth that I have read, sanitized or not, do say that Ganymede was made a cup bearer and was granted immortality. Hera is often said to be jealous of him as competition for Zeus's affection, which even in sanitized versions, points to a deeper relationship than just a favored servant. Sex seems to be the motive for Zeus's kidnapping of various minor goddesses, nymphs, and mortal women, so it would be logical that this abduction would have the same motive.

Ancient depictions and discussions of the myth often show it in a sexual way. The Roman name for Ganymede (Catamitus) is the root of the word catamite - a young man or boy in a homosexual relationship, usually with an older man. Did Zeus *REALLY* kidnap Ganymede to make him his "cupbearer" or to be his consort and have relations with him? - Yahoo Answers
 

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Hmmm... polygamy in the bible.

I think we should get polygamy out of the bible and back into messed up families, where it belongs.

: )
 

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Whenever there is a discussion on polygamy, it seems to result in badmouthing of the ones God chose above all else. Like David would have less morals than us !

Polygamy was not stopped by Jesus. Christians for centuries afterward practiced polygamy. The reason it was eventually stopped had nothing to do with scripture and more to do with life style. It is another example of Man overruling God.
 
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