Attack of the Judaizers

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RickyZ

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dodge question much?
Can you guys just say whether or not you believe that an unrepentant pork-eater will go to hell.

How hard is it to be clear?
Is abstaining from pork an important Law, or is is optional?
This, posted in another thread by another person, should explain it all:

(Well, dang, since the insert image function isn't working I'll have to state it):

Grace explained: Legalism bans all pork. Grace is bacon!
 

Josh321

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SO what Yahweh ordained in the "OT" is a doctrine of demons? So the Father is a demon doctrine teacher?

OR.....did Shaul live in a time that most do not understand, and maybe Shaul was talking about man made Pharisee fodd restrictions such as "no meat and cheese together."

SO sad, blinded by iniquity.

So you are saying what Yahweh ordained in the "OT" is a doctrine of demons?

Because either you say that and claim this verse in Timothy is about pork and call the "OT" demonic or you dont, there is no in between.
that never came out of my mouth doctrine of devils is anyone who would reject the cross and holy spirit and do their own thing, and are you telling me Pork is unclean to eat?
 
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How can you know the difference between God and Lord if you do not know God first?
 

Josh321

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you know what is the problem with most people... they are portion readers, they read one part of the bible and run and make a doctrine out of it forgetting the rest of it, those are known as make believers, in doing so they fail to see and realize that the word of God evolve throughout the ages, first we were under grace then God came and brought grace, first it is emmanuel God with us, now it's the holy spirit God in us, but how can you see this when your a Make believer picking and choosing what you want to believe instead of taking the whole thing
 
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Quoting the below as proof one must rely on OT food laws, and such, really misses the point.
Hebrews is a lot about directing Hebrew believers NOT to go back to relying on OT food laws and such.
If anything, the verses below are warning NOT to go back to relying on the food laws.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
 

Josh321

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SO what Yahweh ordained in the "OT" is a doctrine of demons? So the Father is a demon doctrine teacher?

OR.....did Shaul live in a time that most do not understand, and maybe Shaul was talking about man made Pharisee fodd restrictions such as "no meat and cheese together."

SO sad, blinded by iniquity.

So you are saying what Yahweh ordained in the "OT" is a doctrine of demons?

Because either you say that and claim this verse in Timothy is about pork and call the "OT" demonic or you dont, there is no in between.
i am still waiting for your anwser. is pork unclean to eat or not, i am waiting for your anwser.
 

Hizikyah

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that never came out of my mouth doctrine of devils is anyone who would reject the cross and holy spirit and do their own thing, and are you telling me Pork is unclean to eat?
If you apply that verse in Timothy to Yahweh's food Law, that He ordained YES you are saying Yahweh's doctrine is a doctrine of demons. PERIOD. You can dance around it, but Yahweh tells us to not eat certain things because they are unclean, and nowhere in the "NT" does Jesus declare all foods clean,

Matt 15? Nope about a pharisee hand washing ritual:

Mattithyah 15:20 These are the things which defile a man--but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.

Acts 10? Nope about not thinking goy unclean, nothing about food:

The meaning of Kepha's (Peter) vision:

Acts 10:28, "28 And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."

Pork to this day has so many health risks, it is filthy.

Pigs dont swaet, instead the puss out of their hooves and grow puss tumors out of their skin and other pigs eat them off.

Thichnosis can pass the blood brain barrier and cause dementia.

Yes insanity by pork, maybe that is why some people cant judge between the righteous and unrighteous?

And Shaul must be guilty of transgress his own writing, or atleast your view of them as he writes/quotes this:

2 Corinthinas 6:17-18, "Therefore: Come out from among them and be separate, says Yahweh. Do not touch the unclean thing, and I will receive you. I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says Yahweh Almighty."

Yahweh CLEARLY says "and you will be My sons and daughters" I dont know about you but I want that.

Ohh and yes pork is unclean.
 
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Why is this world under seige? People are being driven by the LORD. People ask why would God let this or that happen....God gave the world a choice
 

Hizikyah

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Quoting the below as proof one must rely on OT food laws, and such, really misses the point.
Hebrews is a lot about directing Hebrew believers NOT to go back to relying on OT food laws and such.
If anything, the verses below are warning NOT to go back to relying on the food laws.
SO sinning in "OT" was breaking the Law and now sinning in the "NT" is keeping the Law? So if I DONT murder I am a sinner?

WHAT?
 

Hizikyah

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Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."
 

Josh321

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If you apply that verse in Timothy to Yahweh's food Law, that He ordained YES you are saying Yahweh's doctrine is a doctrine of demons. PERIOD. You can dance around it, but Yahweh tells us to not eat certain things because they are unclean, and nowhere in the "NT" does Jesus declare all foods clean,

Matt 15? Nope about a pharisee hand washing ritual:

Mattithyah 15:20 These are the things which defile a man--but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.

Acts 10? Nope about not thinking goy unclean, nothing about food:

The meaning of Kepha's (Peter) vision:

Acts 10:28, "28 And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."

Pork to this day has so many health risks, it is filthy.

Pigs dont swaet, instead the puss out of their hooves and grow puss tumors out of their skin and other pigs eat them off.

Thichnosis can pass the blood brain barrier and cause dementia.

Yes insanity by pork, maybe that is why some people cant judge between the righteous and unrighteous?

And Shaul must be guilty of transgress his own writing, or atleast your view of them as he writes/quotes this:

2 Corinthinas 6:17-18, "Therefore: Come out from among them and be separate, says Yahweh. Do not touch the unclean thing, and I will receive you. I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says Yahweh Almighty."

Yahweh CLEARLY says "and you will be My sons and daughters" I dont know about you but I want that.
well then.. this is indeed the time and fulfillment of this scripture, if you can say that.[h=3]1 Timothy 4:1-5[/h]King James Version (KJV)

4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
 
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So many are being caught up everyday. We need to tell the truth and spread God's love before the rapture of souls is done.
 

WomanLovesTX

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If we are to keep the Mosaic laws then why did Christ die?
To make all in right standing before Yah (heavenly Father). Jesus stated that He came only for the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Why are they lost? Who are they? The OT makes it very clear. Learn this "mystery" from Paul and then you will have wisdom and understanding.

"Right standing" Standing on the right hand of God.

Matthew 25:31 " When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the Holy angels with Him, then will He sit upon the throne of His glory: 32 "and before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divided his sheep from the goats: 33 "and He shAll set the sheep on His RIGHT HAND, but the goats on the left. 34 "Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, Come, he blessed of my Father's, inherit the KINGDOM prepared for you from the foundation of the world:.....

Remember from OT. that the 12 tribes were in the beginning under one king, then the kingdom was separated into two kingdoms. The prophets foretold that Messiah Would be the one King of kings and Lord of lords to bring all back/restored to one KINGDOM. The gentiles are the house of Israel/Ephraim and their companions. I am of this house and my brother's are the House of Judah.

Remember the parable of the One lost sheep? The Lord will find all that are His, and that is a promise.

Romans 11:25 "For I would not brethren, that he should be ignorant of THIS MYSTERY, lest he be wise in your own concepts; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until THE FULNESS OF THE GENTILES BE COME IN.

Genesis 48:19 " And His Father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he (Manasseh) also shall become a people, and He also shall be great: but truly his younger brother (Ephraim) shall be greater than he, and His seed shall become a MULTITUDE (H4393=memo=FULNESS) OF NATIONS (H1471=got=GENTILES).

I pray that you (all who read this) that Jesus, the great shepherd, will find you and you will be restored to His one, undivided KINGDOM. (Jesus came preaching and teaching about "The Kingdom of God/Heaven. But He had to die and remove the curse off of us. It is a free gift, but you must take it and claim it.

Galatians 3:13-14 " Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law (see Deuteronomy 11 for curses of breaking the law), being made a curse for us; for it is written, Cursed is everyone that hangers on a tree(Deuteronomy 21:23): That the blessing of Abraham might come on THE GENTILES THROUGH JESUS CHRIST(through the ONE SEED); that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Now understand why Jesus had to make a New Covenant...the children of God, his wife, went whoring after strange God's and God divorced her. The New Covenant allows anyone who wants to join the restored Kingdom to come and join. With this promise comes also the power to keep the covenant this time....we are given the Holy Spirit...so Christ wiped our dirty slate off and has given us comfort and power to hear and understand and DO/KEEP all that He commands. (You will find the owner's manual/instructions in BOTH OT AND NT!!!!!)

One last thing, so you don't think you were lost and then found because of anything that you do or did....

John 6:44 "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me DRAW HIM: and I will raise him up at the last day.


 

Hizikyah

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This, posted in another thread by another person, should explain it all:

(Well, dang, since the insert image function isn't working I'll have to state it):

Grace explained: Legalism bans all pork. Grace is bacon!
My Messiah cured my heart so I could be reconciled to Yah.

Seems your Messiah cured the ham so you could be reconciled to the pig.
 
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My Messiah cured my heart so I could be reconciled to Yah.

Seems your Messiah cured the ham so you could be reconciled to the pig.
God cures us from all beyond the 7th day of creation. Thereafter are the LORD 's works and the start of all evil.
 

WomanLovesTX

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My Messiah cured my heart so I could be reconciled to Yah.

Seems your Messiah cured the ham so you could be reconciled to the pig.
Gotta love this guy's sense of humor. I LOL. Thanks, I needed that.
 

Josh321

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hizikyah.. stop and look at yourself at what you are doing please... don't you see something wrong here?
 
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God's love!!!!!! We are his ministers!!!!!