Attack of the Judaizers

[JaumeJ]

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You do recognize Jesus, Yeshua, is a Jew, good. As for being under what you call Mosaic law, no, He gave those laws to Moses to write down for the Children of Israel.

He reliquished being totally God while He walked the earth for to do what other flesh could not. When it "was finished," He was resurrected. After a time, forty days, He was transformed and ascended to the Father where is His origine with no beginning and no end.

You see Jesus was and is God. He is the Father. He is the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 9). He was not under any law, not if He completed it, and He completed the law adding grace for all who understand and want to obey Him out of love.

He did not abolish the good and moral laws, though He specified that we should love one another. No, He was never uinder the Law, He took it, and fulfilled it.

Perhaps, following His perfect example, you will learn from the Law and know that they are filled with instruction, wisdom, love and the Salvation that is Yeshua, Jesus. No, you will not be perfect in being obedient, which is sad, but He was perfect for you. Please, take the warm and fuzzy out of the teachings, and worship God in spirit and truth. It is worth it. Praise God, amen..

You are forgetting that Jesus as a jew was under the Mosaic law up until his death and resurrection. After that He was not obligated to observe sabbath. So of course He would go to sabbath.

The sabbath was given to the jews and it was never given to gentiles.

 

[Rockbysea]

You are forgetting that Jesus as a jew was under the Mosaic law up until his death and resurrection. After that He was not obligated to observe sabbath.

The sabbath was given to the jews and it was never given to gentiles.

How can the One who gave the law through a contract that was delivered through Moses be under that law?. He is over that law because He is the law.

And the Sabbath was given to the nation of Israel. As long as they were a sovereign nation under God with protected borders they were obligated to keep the contract (Sabbath). But when that nation dissolved through conquest the people as individuals were no longer obligated to the contract because it was a national contract (covenant). It applied to the sovereign nation of Israel not to individual Israelites (Jews) under the authority of gentile nations.

 

[JesusLives]

The Jews are fine
they are the church of God
the Jews by blood were stiff necked so Jesus had to go to the pagans to convert a few and make them Jews by faith through the dark days
when the PAGANS attacked and took over his church

Salvation is not of the pagan caucasion sun god worshippers
Salvation is still of the Jews

My Jesus is Jewish
do you love him?
He wants to adopt you into the Jewish truth and take you into the Jewish temple
but the Pagan hypnosis says
salvation is of the caucasions and all you have to do is say Jesus is Lord and Jesus is come in the flaesh
and they believe the lie and make him caucasion

silly

go to any store
by a picture of Jesus
he is caucasion

they have become craxy with money power and cant read

Ohm hey, there is good money in this religious stuff!
Let us go and build large churches with widescreen tv's and have pizza parties!
let us build basketball courts in our temples

they have lost their minds...


John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the father in spirit and in truth: for the father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


the truth is Jewish
my Bible is Jewish
every prophet is Jewish
Abraham is Jewish
by FAITH Abraham is Jewish see?

He is father of all us Jews
he was a caucasions and God converted him to a Jew and all who join him God makes Jewish by faith

anyone wants to prove it read your Bible

the new Jerusalme has twelve gate

each one has over the door the name of a Jewish tribe and every one of the twelve foundations is a Jewish disciple
and no one who is not a Jew by faith or a Jew by blood will ever enter there.

Better wake up man,
time to get out of caucasion Babylon and come to the Jewish Bible

every writer in the Bible was Jewish.

All of a sudden I don't feel bad for being called a Judaizer.

 

[lioncub]

Galatians 4:4] But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

 

[loveme1]

Surely one can spot a New Covenant partaker...

Those that believe the Messiah and adhere to His Testimony will be relaying His Word.

Those that are in unbelief will not ,whether Jew or Gentile.

I believe the Jews would make much mention of Moses.. though i will stand corrected by those with experience, because i have little or none.

 

[BradC]

Surely one can spot a New Covenant partaker...

Those that believe the Messiah and adhere to His Testimony will be relaying His Word.

Those that are in unbelief will not ,whether Jew or Gentile.

I believe the Jews would make much mention of Moses.. though i will stand corrected by those with experience, because i have little or none.

Tell us of all the NT writers and their NT writings, who had the Spirit and were all Jews except for perhaps Luke, how many of them made much mention of Moses.

 

[chubbena]

Who the pope? Bread and wine...milk? I don't know. I only spoke of meat. God and jesus in the flesh. I don't think I took anything from the "NT""" but you are tracking so did I?

all you can find in an Italian restaurant

 

[chubbena]

You are forgetting that Jesus as a jew was under the Mosaic law up until his death and resurrection. After that He was not obligated to observe sabbath. So of course He would go to sabbath.

The sabbath was given to the jews and it was never given to gentiles.

So certain parts of the NT are OT so where do you draw the line?

 

[JaumeJ]

Yeshua lived out Moses and the Prophets. Moses and the Prophets were center stage in all of what Yeshua did and taught.

Someone posted Jesus Christ was under the Laws from Moses' writings. Think about this disturbing thought.

If Jesus Christ were under those laws, He broke them. Yes, and any child knows who is familiar with Him and with those cited laws.

Hint, according to the Law, anyone caught in adultery is to be stoned to death, that is at the witness of two or more.

If anyone is guilty of breaking just one of the laws, he is guilty of breaking them all. Does anyone who comes here telling us about grace, as if they knew what grace really is, understand all that Yeshua did for all of us?

God does not want any of us to perish, and He certainly does not want to kill anyone.

I am certain in my past I have sin worthy of death and eternal fire, but I know my Father does not want to kill me. Ergo, He became the Lamb of God to demonstrate to the stiff necked and hard hearted that His love is great and genuine.

All one need do is believe the Father in the Son, for they are One. If you do not believe Him when you hear HIm, then you are calling God a liar, and only the enemy would do such.

These warm and fuzzies under total grace, that is license, would have others believe we are free to disregard the laws of good behavior and morality. Jesus followed all of those laws while completing them for our failures providing we believe Him, providing grace and clensing by His Precious Blood.

No one will enter the Kingdom strictly because he obeys the good laws, but if anyone deliberately, obstinately disobeys, there is no hope for that person.

Yeshua was not under the Law, but He did fulfill them all perfectly, all, by abolishing those bad laws taught to those who learn of Yahweh in the Old Testamen, statutes that should not be followed. Ezekiel 20:25.

 

[JaumeJ]

Even according to the law any foreigner who embraced the God of the Jews became a Jew. Do you think just because people drifted away from the faith of Abraham we do not worship the same God? That is perverse thinking. All who come to Jesus worship the God of Abraham,. Am I correct or shall I become a Messianic Jew? We already are completed Jews....

Tell us of all the NT writers and their NT writings, who had the Spirit and were all Jews except for perhaps Luke, how many of them made much mention of Moses.

 

[john832]

Yeah, right out of the NT.


"Fulfill" is to accomplish, complete.

It's not about meaning, it's about action.

Where does it say Christ fulfilled the Law?

 

[john832]

Tell us of all the NT writers and their NT writings, who had the Spirit and were all Jews except for perhaps Luke, how many of them made much mention of Moses.

Uh, Paul quoted Moses several times. He quoted other "O.T." writers also.

 

[john832]

All of a sudden I don't feel bad for being called a Judaizer.

Well, here is another to consider...

Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Now how'd that get in there?

 

[JaumeJ]

What Bible are you reading? Jesus was not under any law, but He did fulfill them...................

You are forgetting that Jesus as a jew was under the Mosaic law up until his death and resurrection. After that He was not obligated to observe sabbath. So of course He would go to sabbath.

The sabbath was given to the jews and it was never given to gentiles.

 

[psychomom]

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He was not under any law,

How can the One who gave the law through a contract that was delivered through Moses be under that law?.

Gal 4: 4-5
But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,
so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

not to be argumentative, gentlemen, just a point of clarification. ♥

 

[Brother_Don]

Isaiah 56:6, Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be His servants, everyone that keepeth the Sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant.

 

[Brother_Don]

John 10:5, And a stranger they will not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

 

[JaumeJ]

Our beloved Savior did indeed save us all from the curse of the law, however in forcing the hypocrites to show mercy due to their own sin, He demonstrates the law may be broken in order to show mercy, to the woman caught in adultery. According to the law, she and whoever was the other guilty party should have been stoned to death. He also showed mercy in place of many of the other laws, as called, of Moses. Those are the bad laws that ought not be, spoken of in the Old Testament.

We live in grace because we believe Jesus. God does not want to kill us because of those laws and the penalties accompanying those laws. The penalties, death by stoning usually, are laws also, but they are bad. How can sinners judge sinners to death? I would never presume such. Many would though.

Mercy is not simply to be accepted it is to be lived by all who claim it. We still behave ourselves when we come to the Lord, this is obeying the good laws, and we will be imperfect in attempting this, being good that is, but we believe Yeshua, thus we are free of the guilt. He fulfilled the law for us all, amen.

Gal 4: 4-5
But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,
so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

not to be argumentative, gentlemen, just a point of clarification. ♥

 

[BradC]

Uh, Paul quoted Moses several times. He quoted other "O.T." writers also.

Here is your chance to bring them up to give an account of them and see what they have to say. You may be surprised at what you find.

 

[just-me]

I think, for Christ’s sake, it would be good for all who have contributed to this thread, to contemplate why it was started in the first place. My thoughts are that it was started to instigate competition in respect to instilling an attitude of “I must win” between believers in Christ. It was started with the intention of trying to prove that God intended to replace the law and the prophets through Christ instead of completing everything through Christ. My thoughts are that this thread was started for that intention of exacerbating division rather than enhance togetherness as the Word of God clearly portrays.

The end result of this thread has had no effect in bringing God’s children together but rather has done just the opposite. I think that the only reason for this thread was to show a division that has existed for decades, and even makes the gulf wider than it was before. With compassion in my heart, the person that started this thread may not even realize the detriment that is being propagated again and again because of this wide gulf.

I think this impasse has everything to do with concentrating on the physical aspects of the Old Testament rather than the spiritual aspects. I have tried my best to define spiritual aspects as most others have done, but the conversations always divert back to physical rhetoric, and the spiritual understanding is lost. That is exactly opposite of the fulfillment of Jesus Christ. I would suggest that it is easy to see one’s intention when propagating condemnation of the physical yet bringing it up time after time for the purpose of continuing arguments.

2 Timothy 2:15-16 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

Romans 16:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

We know who is behind this. When Jesus was in the wilderness during the 40 days, being temped by Satan, everything Jesus said to resist him was out of the book of Deuteronomy which is part of the Mosaic Law. (Deuteronomy 6:13-16, and 8:3) Why degrade it when it has so much power?

James 4:6-8 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.