so god does not pprove of gay couples but there is a very real scenerio that i wonder about. say there is a lesbian couple who who have two children and this family is very close. but they become born again believers,what should they do? if they break up because god doesnt like it can they still both raise the children like before? or do they seperate and split up the family?
i have a question about gay couples with children
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They definitely need to stop sinning, so they would have to break up/divorce. I am not sure if the children would still call both mom, but since there are families with step parents and the like, I think that they can maintain them as both being mom. The key to repentance is turning from the sin and stopping, so that would have to remedied. Everything else could be worked out. To continue living together would entice and open up for temptation to fall back into the lifestyle, so they would have to live separately.
One of the dangers Christians ignore is that feeling that they are 'strong enough' to return to a place where they were constantly tempted and fell consistently into sin. We are never strong enough to remove boundaries or bring things back into our lives that God had us remove and deal with. So, no matter how strong this couple feels in their faith, they would need to live apart, because the devil will use every opportunity to pull them back into bondage.
One of the dangers Christians ignore is that feeling that they are 'strong enough' to return to a place where they were constantly tempted and fell consistently into sin. We are never strong enough to remove boundaries or bring things back into our lives that God had us remove and deal with. So, no matter how strong this couple feels in their faith, they would need to live apart, because the devil will use every opportunity to pull them back into bondage.
If the children were adopted by the couple, there is a reason they were removed from their parents, and so saying to return them to their parents isn't feasible.
To put the kids up for adoption would do more damage to the kids in the long run. If they were removed from their birth family and adopted by this couple, how much more damage and rejection would one pile upon them by putting them up for adoption again? That would not solve anything.
There are cases when same-sex couples arrange to have a child by way of surrogacy or artificial insemination, thus, they are the birth parents and the rightful family for these kids.
Regardless of the origin of these children, these 'moms' are the parents of them and the children shouldn't suffer more just because the women get saved and separate in order to live godly lives. All that will do is poison the children against God in the long run. They will feel that when their moms were in sin, they accepted and loved them, but when they got saved, they cast them away. Wrong mentality to have.
Though it is difficult for kids to be raised in a divorced home, it is definitely healthier than living in a godless and sin-filled homosexual home.
To put the kids up for adoption would do more damage to the kids in the long run. If they were removed from their birth family and adopted by this couple, how much more damage and rejection would one pile upon them by putting them up for adoption again? That would not solve anything.
There are cases when same-sex couples arrange to have a child by way of surrogacy or artificial insemination, thus, they are the birth parents and the rightful family for these kids.
Regardless of the origin of these children, these 'moms' are the parents of them and the children shouldn't suffer more just because the women get saved and separate in order to live godly lives. All that will do is poison the children against God in the long run. They will feel that when their moms were in sin, they accepted and loved them, but when they got saved, they cast them away. Wrong mentality to have.
Though it is difficult for kids to be raised in a divorced home, it is definitely healthier than living in a godless and sin-filled homosexual home.
So in your opinion is it better for a child to have gay parents or heterosexual parents? Gay parents would teach one thing and heterosexual parents something different whether Christians or not.
In that respect one of them is not the real parent whether straight or gay. I don't see your point.
Are you trying to justify gay marriage might be based on the Word of God? The seed is useless in a gay marriage and that's what makes it wrong. Marriage exemplifies a clear relationship to the bride of Christ. If there were 2 Christs and no church, there would be no birth with 2 being the same. If there were no Christ, then church would be incapable of conception. I exhort you to look at things through spiritual eyes. Why do people try to justify what is clearly not God's will defined by the instructions given by Him?
Ephesians 3:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Ephesians 5:31-32 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP]For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
In that respect one of them is not the real parent whether straight or gay. I don't see your point.
Are you trying to justify gay marriage might be based on the Word of God? The seed is useless in a gay marriage and that's what makes it wrong. Marriage exemplifies a clear relationship to the bride of Christ. If there were 2 Christs and no church, there would be no birth with 2 being the same. If there were no Christ, then church would be incapable of conception. I exhort you to look at things through spiritual eyes. Why do people try to justify what is clearly not God's will defined by the instructions given by Him?
Ephesians 3:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Ephesians 5:31-32 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP]For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Raising children with parents of the same gender is also child abuse for they will learn this.
Romans 1:20-28
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Romans 1:32
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
You wanna talk about child abuse? This is it.
Romans 1:20-28
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Romans 1:32
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
You wanna talk about child abuse? This is it.
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Where do you get that homosexuals would teach their kids anything different than a heterosexual? I have a friend that was raised by a gay couple, he doesnt have an issue with homosexuals but he isnt one. He is a normal person that had a loving family to support him. If the couple goes to Christianity then because of their viewpoint they would have to split. But i dont see how the kids would be harmed by them sharing the kids. Kids need love and support.
you dont understand the pain and sadness of child abuse, my parent were severely sexually physically and mentally abusive and they starved and drugged me and my sisters. i have medical issues and severe brain damage because of my parents. i only hope they found god because i fear of them not finding salvation
That is not what I said even remotely. Don't accuse me of such false, demonic lies. I was EXPLAINING the different scenarios, not condoning anything. Watch what you accuse me of.
If the surrogacy involves the egg of one of the mom's and, of course, the artificial insemination I referred to means they purchase or have sperm donated and one of the mom's carry the child, then one of them IS the real mom. This is normally how it is done between same-sex couples. And, so you don't accuse me falsely again, I am not saying this is right and not approving of it, just stating the different scenerios.
Once again, no, and if you would read the post in context and read who I was responding to, then you wouldn't be foolish enough to make ungodly assumptions.
If the surrogacy involves the egg of one of the mom's and, of course, the artificial insemination I referred to means they purchase or have sperm donated and one of the mom's carry the child, then one of them IS the real mom. This is normally how it is done between same-sex couples. And, so you don't accuse me falsely again, I am not saying this is right and not approving of it, just stating the different scenerios.
Once again, no, and if you would read the post in context and read who I was responding to, then you wouldn't be foolish enough to make ungodly assumptions.
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@mystdancer and buscuit ty for your kind words. i dont ask why this happened to me i know it happened for gods glory. as for rewards in heaven i dont need any, the people of the world will be my treasures because if god loves them all that much so will i. i feel compassion for ppl and children who were abused and orphaned because i went through it all, perhaps thats the very reason i went through it. besides there are plenty of ppl who went through worse and still do
Example maybe? I don't think that's too hard to comprehend. We are all products of our past. Bottom line, is it right according to the bible to raise a child with parents of the same gender? Read the scripture in post #10. Why are we even talking about this when all that believe the Bible is right, knows that God's Word says that gay marriage is wrong?
So in your opinion is it better for a child to have gay parents or heterosexual parents? Gay parents would teach one thing and heterosexual parents something different whether Christians or not.
This was a question with a statement, not an accusation.
So allow me to ask another question that isn't taken as accusatory. Should this be discussed for Bible edification, or am I missing something?
Ungodly assumptions concerning statements that proclaim same sex marriage as wrong? I just want to ask you if you think it's wrong or right. I think that would help answer heartsearcher's question.
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So in your opinion is it better for a child to have gay parents or heterosexual parents? Gay parents would teach one thing and heterosexual parents something different whether Christians or not.
This was a question with a statement, not an accusation.
So allow me to ask another question that isn't taken as accusatory. Should this be discussed for Bible edification, or am I missing something?
Ungodly assumptions concerning statement that proclaim same sex marriage as wrong? I just want to ask you if you think it's wrong or right.
I have never supported a homosexual lifestyle or same-sex marriage. My only concern here is the welfare of the kids IN RESPONSE TO the comment in my OP that you quoted. So, if you go back and read the comment I am responding to, you will hopefully see the reason I wrote what I did. I was not writing it to enter into a debate. In fact, if you read back through the first few posts, you will see that the point of this thread is not to support or defend homosexuals, as the hypothetical scenario is the salvation and repentance of a lesbian couple and what should happen to the kids in that event. This is not a thread to discuss if homosexuality is a sin or if children should be adopted or raised by homosexuals. It was if the couple should stay together or if the home should be split up upon repentance and leaving the lifestyle behind.
Well gays cannot be married in Gods eyes but I would not be so quick to destroy the stability that the adopted children have even in that kind of relationship. Now if the couple get saved and stop engaging in the ungodly behavior associated with sodomy I do not know why they could not live together except that the temptation to relapse into sodomy would be great. I suppose by Gods grace it could be done. Only God can do that which seems impossible to us.
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