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Hb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world ( completion of aion) hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Mt 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world ( completion of aion). Amen.
Mt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?( completion of aion)
It is clear that the KJV dictionary , same like the translation has given the meaning "eternal" for aeon.
KJV: age, course, eternal, (for) ever(-more), (n-)ever, (beginning of the , while the) world (began, without end).
And many new dictionaries also have followed their path. I wud suggest u read ALEXANDER THOMSON: Whence "Eternity"?
God bless u
Mt 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world ( completion of aion). Amen.
Mt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?( completion of aion)
It is clear that the KJV dictionary , same like the translation has given the meaning "eternal" for aeon.
KJV: age, course, eternal, (for) ever(-more), (n-)ever, (beginning of the , while the) world (began, without end).
And many new dictionaries also have followed their path. I wud suggest u read ALEXANDER THOMSON: Whence "Eternity"?
God bless u
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Well as they say, you sow what you reap, and you clearly sowed a seed of confusion in this thread. So you are reaping the negative that this thread deserves. Sorry to say. but whether you posting a thread from someone else, why tell people that you not interested, you don't believe, and it don't MATTER what other people say, and you don't care? If this is all true, why waste you time posting a thread if you not bothered? Just a wasted thread, that putting the spanner in the works, to cause an effect. and that's what you done. There are many new Christians joining this site, and people posting threads like this that has no meaning any way or form, will only help the new Christians to be put off, or to see true Christianity the wrong way.
I can see how angry u are towards ur enemies.
Eternity is time without end. If believers dwell in heaven for eternity (unending) then it is likewise for sinners in hell because the scripture uses the same word used “eternity”. I don’t see "temporary" in the Greek definition. Matt 25:46 (KJV) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
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αἰώνιος
aiōnios
ahee-o'-nee-os
From G165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well): - eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).
Oh look, it says “perpetual” and “forever”. What are you going to do now? Mask "eternal" in your bible with a Wite-out and replace them with “temporary”?
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κόλασις
kolasis
kol'-as-is
From G2849; penal infliction: - punishment, torment.
It’s not a problem with the KJV; it's an accurate version. Other translations also have "eternal/forever". You just have a problem with God’s justice.
1 Corinthians 3:15 pertains to only believers - Paul was addressing believers; those who have trusted in Jesus will not come under condemnation (Romans 8:1), whereas non-believers will be judged by their works and condemned in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:12,15).
God is a consuming fire in that He has the power to execute judgment and even cast into hell thus He deserves to be revered. For instance Sodom and Gomorrah and Nadab and Abihu incurred fiery judgment from God because of their evil.
I presume you're referring to the lake of fire. There is no verse that substantiate the above.
...and it's not a proof-text for universalism.
Now what about Satan, demons and fallen angels, do you think they will be saved from the burning hell as well since you hold to universalism?
yep, you got it, tree of life, (Christ) protected until the time when Christ came to earth to redeem us in the Spirit by the cross through belief in God.
Here is my blood as Christ said drink and my broken body eat. Then the resurrection came and those that believe are raised back alive in the Spirit of God freely eating off the tree of life, (CHRIST)
Here is my blood as Christ said drink and my broken body eat. Then the resurrection came and those that believe are raised back alive in the Spirit of God freely eating off the tree of life, (CHRIST)
You think this is teaching about heaven and hell? Let's look at it...
First of all...
Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
They can see each other and they can hear each other. So if this is really the way it is, saved mothers in heaven can see their lost children sizzling and popping and burning for all eternity, worse yet, they can hear their screams and shrieks of agony for all eternity. Now comes the sadistic part...
Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
They are powerless to give any comfort or aid for all eternity! So heaven is the reward of the saved here? What makes it any better than hell? The torture inflicted on parents watching their close family burn and suffer and scream and shriek for all eternity is not heaven in mind, it is hell.
Dr. Ernest Martin does a pretty fair job of revealing the true meaning of this parable...
The Real Meaning of The Rich Man and Lazarus by Dr. Ernest Martin
First of all...
Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
They can see each other and they can hear each other. So if this is really the way it is, saved mothers in heaven can see their lost children sizzling and popping and burning for all eternity, worse yet, they can hear their screams and shrieks of agony for all eternity. Now comes the sadistic part...
Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
They are powerless to give any comfort or aid for all eternity! So heaven is the reward of the saved here? What makes it any better than hell? The torture inflicted on parents watching their close family burn and suffer and scream and shriek for all eternity is not heaven in mind, it is hell.
Dr. Ernest Martin does a pretty fair job of revealing the true meaning of this parable...
The Real Meaning of The Rich Man and Lazarus by Dr. Ernest Martin
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I’m not angry with anyone but I distaste false teachings. You approach God's word with a preconceived notion of universal reconciliation and select bible verses to defend your belief instead of submitting to the truth. That is not rightly dividing the word, Sana.
Eternity is time without end. If believers dwell in heaven for eternity (unending) then it is likewise for sinners in hell because the scripture uses the same word used “eternity”. I don’t see "temporary" in the Greek definition. Matt 25:46 (KJV) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
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αἰώνιος
aiōnios
ahee-o'-nee-os
From G165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well): - eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).
Oh look, it says “perpetual” and “forever”. What are you going to do now? Mask "eternal" in your bible with a Wite-out and replace them with “temporary”?
G2851
κόλασις
kolasis
kol'-as-is
From G2849; penal infliction: - punishment, torment.
Eternity is time without end. If believers dwell in heaven for eternity (unending) then it is likewise for sinners in hell because the scripture uses the same word used “eternity”. I don’t see "temporary" in the Greek definition. Matt 25:46 (KJV) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
G166
αἰώνιος
aiōnios
ahee-o'-nee-os
From G165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well): - eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).
Oh look, it says “perpetual” and “forever”. What are you going to do now? Mask "eternal" in your bible with a Wite-out and replace them with “temporary”?
G2851
κόλασις
kolasis
kol'-as-is
From G2849; penal infliction: - punishment, torment.
This is KJV translation, not the real greek word.Why don't you do some study on the word "aionos" than just believing only one translation. Afterall its just translation, it is not the word of God. The word of God was written in Greek, at that time there was no word that suggest "a time without end".
Of course we will live forever, because we are resurrected immortal. there is no death. but the bible does not in any way say " we will have everlasting life or punishment", only the translation does.
Yeah, u call it justice. Throwing people in literal fire for no reason, no correction, nothing. Its like putting someone in jail for 80 years for walking on the gras.LOL. That is not justice at all in the eyes of mere mortal, will it be in the eyes of God???
Im sorry but u have a very bad picture abt God. "God is love" not hatred.
Open ur bible and read Isaiah chapter to see the universal reconciliation.
Nice try!! Why wud a righteous man's work be "BURNED"?? The work of a believer will always be good, why will god burn the good things? The believer will suffer loss??what loss?
I did not say non-believers will not be judged. They will be judged very strictly. But that does not mean God will put them in literal fire well.
Now whichever verses im going to give from the bible u are not going to accept the love of God. because the whole world is deceived.
If anyone says God is love, and he do judgement by putting in literal fire we are deceived.
There is no one verse in the bibnle (im talking abt the scripture not ur KJV translation) which says anyone will not be saved. Judgment is for correction. You think God is cruel that he creates us just to sin and put in fire?
I pray that u read and understand the scripture (not KJV) more and feel the "love of God". After all that is what God has asked us to do "LOVE ENEMIES". Jesus wud not have told us to forgive, if Father's way of showing justice is by putting in fire and burning the skin and flesh.
There is no love of god, when u say that all sinners will be thrown in fire, someone with evil heart has taught u the doctrine. It is a pagan doctrine. Every religion believes in eternal torture except Christianity. U think God sent his son who is a God, to the earth to save only a few who has the blessing to understand God????? What is "world" for u in this verse
Jn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
World consist of both believers and non believers.I don't understand why people spread such a scary doctrine and make people's life miserable. No matter whatever we do, our righteousness is nothing for God.
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THE LIE THAT MADE GOD LOOK CRUEL
“Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, ‘eternal fire.’” (Catechism of the Catholic Church) Some religious leaders say that hell is a state of complete isolation and separation from God.
THE TRUTH
“The soul that is sinning—it itself will die.”(Ezekiel 18:4) The dead “are conscious of nothing at all.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5) If the soul dies and is unconscious, how could it suffer “eternal fire” or even the pain of everlasting separation from God?
In the Bible, the Hebrew and Greek words often translated “hell” actually refer to the common grave of mankind. For example, when Job suffered a painful illness, he prayed: “I wish you would hide me in my grave [“in hell,” Douay-Rheims Version].” (Job 14:13, Holy Bible—Easy-to-Read Version) Job wanted to rest, not in a place of torment or alienation from God, but in the grave.
“Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, ‘eternal fire.’” (Catechism of the Catholic Church) Some religious leaders say that hell is a state of complete isolation and separation from God.
THE TRUTH
“The soul that is sinning—it itself will die.”(Ezekiel 18:4) The dead “are conscious of nothing at all.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5) If the soul dies and is unconscious, how could it suffer “eternal fire” or even the pain of everlasting separation from God?
In the Bible, the Hebrew and Greek words often translated “hell” actually refer to the common grave of mankind. For example, when Job suffered a painful illness, he prayed: “I wish you would hide me in my grave [“in hell,” Douay-Rheims Version].” (Job 14:13, Holy Bible—Easy-to-Read Version) Job wanted to rest, not in a place of torment or alienation from God, but in the grave.
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o The original Greek word translated “hell” at Mark 9:47 is Ge′en·na.This word comes from the Hebrew Geh Hin·nom′, meaning “Valley of Hinnom.” The Valley of Hinnom hugged the outskirts of ancient Jerusalem. In the days of the Israelite kings, it was used for child sacrifice—a disgusting practice that God condemned. God said that he would execute those who performed such an act of false worship. The Valley of Hinnom would then be called “thevalley of slaughter,” where “the carcases of this people” would lie unburied. (Jeremiah 7:30-34, King Version) Jehovah thus foretold that the Valley of Hinnom would become a place, not for the torture of live victims, but for the mass disposal of dead bodies.
In Jesus’ day, the inhabitants of Jerusalem used the Valley of Hinnom as a garbage dump. They threw the bodies of some vile criminals into this dump and kept a fire constantly burning there to dispose of the refuse and the carcasses.
When Jesus spoke of the undying worms and unquenchable fire, he was apparently alluding to Isaiah 66:24. Regarding “the carcases of the men that have transgressed against [God],” Isaiah says that “their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched.” (KJ) Jesus and his listeners knew that these words in Isaiah referred to the treatment of the carcasses of those not deserving a burial.
Therefore, Jesus used the Valley of Hinnom, or Gehenna, as a fitting symbol of death without hope of a resurrection. He drove this point home when he warned that God “can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.” (Matthew 10:28, NAB) Gehenna is a symbol of eternal death, not eternal torture.
You know you just made itr easy to be in hell away from God. We just burn up and then there is nothing oh wait a minute we die and know nothing. Nothing to be ashamed of, nothing no punishment. Hey if that is the case I might as well go do what I want, I won't know or feel a thing after death?
This is lies from the enemy, just as the lies he gave to to Corinthians in there misunderstanding in being forgiven, which they were and are along with all of us we are by Chriust forgiven from God the Father through Christ.
Now they received a thought that since they were forgiven what does it hurt to do wrong, and they did much wrong and is why Paul wrote them
Now I write you, to not be misguided to take advantage of an amazing salvation provided to us by God through Son Christ
The Fire of the Holy Spirit is for the purpose to burn out evil, and it takes our asking God to turn on the kiln after recieving the free gift of new life
Yet at death this same fire is turned on, and the worm never dies, and the people like Hitler, that have no remorse and were out for them self will burn in an unquenchable fire, Gnashing of teeth and so on and so forth.
God is not a liar.
Matthew 13:42 and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 13:50 and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 3:12 whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Luke 3:17 whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.
To preach we just burn up and are no more is of the Devil period a lie, From flesh desire is the same if not worse that the Devil whom has been Judged
This is lies from the enemy, just as the lies he gave to to Corinthians in there misunderstanding in being forgiven, which they were and are along with all of us we are by Chriust forgiven from God the Father through Christ.
Now they received a thought that since they were forgiven what does it hurt to do wrong, and they did much wrong and is why Paul wrote them
Now I write you, to not be misguided to take advantage of an amazing salvation provided to us by God through Son Christ
The Fire of the Holy Spirit is for the purpose to burn out evil, and it takes our asking God to turn on the kiln after recieving the free gift of new life
Yet at death this same fire is turned on, and the worm never dies, and the people like Hitler, that have no remorse and were out for them self will burn in an unquenchable fire, Gnashing of teeth and so on and so forth.
God is not a liar.
Matthew 13:42 and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 13:50 and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 3:12 whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Luke 3:17 whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.
To preach we just burn up and are no more is of the Devil period a lie, From flesh desire is the same if not worse that the Devil whom has been Judged
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Hell is the grave and we will all go there. The teaching of hellfire is not from God.
We all come under the same law that Adam was under. “The wages sin pays is death.” Moreover, once a person dies, he is “acquitted from his sin.” (Romans 6:7, 23) If both good and bad people die and nobody experiences suffering after death, where is God’s justice?
Note that the righteous will live on this earth. They will have a life of perfect health and happiness. God’s original purpose to have the earth filled with a righteous race of people will indeed “have certain success.” This will occur when he replaces this present wicked system of things with a new world.—Isaiah 55:11; Daniel 2:44; Revelation 21:4.
Billions of people who have died in ignorance of God’s requirements will benefit from a resurrection and will receive instruction for life in God’s new world. (Isaiah 11:9; John 5:28, 29) On the other hand, anyone who refuses to conform to God’s laws will be punished with “the second death.” This is the death from which they will never awake.—Revelation 21:8; Jeremiah 51:57.
Clearly, as a God of love, Jehovah will not torture people in hellfire. (1 John 4:8) Nor will he tolerate wickedness indefinitely. Accordingly, Psalm 145:20 assures us that “Jehovah is guarding all those loving him, but all the wicked ones he will annihilate.” Is that not loving and just?
Jehovah’s Witnesses—Official Website: jw.org
Can We Suffer After Death?
The Bible says at Romans 5:12: “Through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men.” Really, then, is it reasonable to believe that people suffer in hellfire for their sins, when Adam, the one who brought death upon the entire human race, simply became dust after dying?—1 Corinthians 15:22.We all come under the same law that Adam was under. “The wages sin pays is death.” Moreover, once a person dies, he is “acquitted from his sin.” (Romans 6:7, 23) If both good and bad people die and nobody experiences suffering after death, where is God’s justice?
God’s Justice
God’s purpose for obedient mankind has not changed since he created the first human couple and directed them to have children and take care of the earth. (Genesis 1:28) This is clearly still his purpose, as he later declared: “The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it.”—Psalm 37:29.Note that the righteous will live on this earth. They will have a life of perfect health and happiness. God’s original purpose to have the earth filled with a righteous race of people will indeed “have certain success.” This will occur when he replaces this present wicked system of things with a new world.—Isaiah 55:11; Daniel 2:44; Revelation 21:4.
Billions of people who have died in ignorance of God’s requirements will benefit from a resurrection and will receive instruction for life in God’s new world. (Isaiah 11:9; John 5:28, 29) On the other hand, anyone who refuses to conform to God’s laws will be punished with “the second death.” This is the death from which they will never awake.—Revelation 21:8; Jeremiah 51:57.
Clearly, as a God of love, Jehovah will not torture people in hellfire. (1 John 4:8) Nor will he tolerate wickedness indefinitely. Accordingly, Psalm 145:20 assures us that “Jehovah is guarding all those loving him, but all the wicked ones he will annihilate.” Is that not loving and just?
Jehovah’s Witnesses—Official Website: jw.org
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The Lie That Made God Cruel
WHAT MANY BELIEVE “Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, ‘eternal fire.’” (Catechism of the Catholic Church) Some religious leaders say that hell is a state of complete isolation and separation from God.
THE TRUTH FROM THE BIBLE “The soul that is sinning—it itself will die.” (Ezekiel 18:4) The dead “are conscious of nothing at all.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5) If the soul dies and is unconscious, how could it suffer “eternal fire” or even the pain of everlasting separation from God?
In the Bible, the Hebrew and Greek words often translated “hell” actually refer to the common grave of mankind. For example, when Job suffered a painful illness, he prayed: “I wish you would hide me in my grave [“in hell,” Douay-Rheims Version].” (Job 14:13, HolyBible—Easy-to-Read Version) Job wanted to rest, not in a place of torment or alienation from God, but in the grave.
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What is the origin of the teaching of hellfire?
In ancient Babylonian and Assyrian beliefs the “nether world . . . is pictured as a place full of horrors, and is presided over by gods and demons of great strength and fierceness.” (The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, Boston, 1898, Morris Jastrow, Jr., p. 581) Early evidence of the fiery aspect of Christendom’s hell is found in the religion of ancient Egypt. (The Book of the Dead, New Hyde Park, N.Y., 1960, with introduction by E. A. Wallis Budge, pp. 144, 149, 151, 153, 161) Buddhism, which dates back to the 6th century B.C.E., in time came to feature both hot and cold hells. (The EncyclopediaAmericana, 1977, Vol. 14, p. 68) Depictions of hell portrayed in Catholic churches in Italy have been traced to Etruscan roots.—La civiltà etrusca (Milan, 1979), Werner Keller, p. 389.
But the real roots of this God-dishonoring doctrine go much deeper. The fiendish concepts associated with a hell of torment slander God and originate with the chief slanderer of God (the Devil, which name means “Slanderer”), the one whom Jesus Christ called “the father of the lie.”—John 8:44.
Jehovah’s Witnesses—Official Website: jw.org
In ancient Babylonian and Assyrian beliefs the “nether world . . . is pictured as a place full of horrors, and is presided over by gods and demons of great strength and fierceness.” (The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, Boston, 1898, Morris Jastrow, Jr., p. 581) Early evidence of the fiery aspect of Christendom’s hell is found in the religion of ancient Egypt. (The Book of the Dead, New Hyde Park, N.Y., 1960, with introduction by E. A. Wallis Budge, pp. 144, 149, 151, 153, 161) Buddhism, which dates back to the 6th century B.C.E., in time came to feature both hot and cold hells. (The EncyclopediaAmericana, 1977, Vol. 14, p. 68) Depictions of hell portrayed in Catholic churches in Italy have been traced to Etruscan roots.—La civiltà etrusca (Milan, 1979), Werner Keller, p. 389.
But the real roots of this God-dishonoring doctrine go much deeper. The fiendish concepts associated with a hell of torment slander God and originate with the chief slanderer of God (the Devil, which name means “Slanderer”), the one whom Jesus Christ called “the father of the lie.”—John 8:44.
Jehovah’s Witnesses—Official Website: jw.org
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Then how is it, that:
[h=3]Luke 16:21-23[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; [SUP]23 [/SUP]and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
You say dead unaware, and this scripture says alive in torment. There is no fluency in what you say here, as when we die we are not aware
My prayer for you representing Man is to represent God in all truth: No contradictions
Ephesians 3:16 that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
Ephesians 3:17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Ephesians 3:18 may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
We end either alive and tormented in hell or alive with God the creator of all through Son Jesus Christ who did all the work for us in our stead to give us new life in him here and now in the Spirit of God via the resurrected Christ in Spirit, justified
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
[h=3]Luke 16:21-23[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; [SUP]23 [/SUP]and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
You say dead unaware, and this scripture says alive in torment. There is no fluency in what you say here, as when we die we are not aware
My prayer for you representing Man is to represent God in all truth: No contradictions
Ephesians 3:16 that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
Ephesians 3:17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Ephesians 3:18 may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
We end either alive and tormented in hell or alive with God the creator of all through Son Jesus Christ who did all the work for us in our stead to give us new life in him here and now in the Spirit of God via the resurrected Christ in Spirit, justified
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
You believe what you want to believe we have all been warned that started with Adam and Eve, and death came and is here still today for us. So I personally die daily to self, get co-crucified with my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Being conformed to his death so that I can be alive as I am already thanks to Father for justifying what Son did for me
My part is to stand in Faith in his finished work for me and all to bring in the new life in Spirit reckoning self dead to flesh sin
What comes later is what comes, for I am safe and secure in the arms of Christ unto Father who does the leading as he did in Christ
Today is today, tomorrow is not here yet, God has it all under control, so I live daily in trust unto Father through Son. Am stress free and worry free thanks to Father through Son
My part is to stand in Faith in his finished work for me and all to bring in the new life in Spirit reckoning self dead to flesh sin
What comes later is what comes, for I am safe and secure in the arms of Christ unto Father who does the leading as he did in Christ
Today is today, tomorrow is not here yet, God has it all under control, so I live daily in trust unto Father through Son. Am stress free and worry free thanks to Father through Son
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“The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.” (Psalm 9:17)
The subject of hell is widely ignored today, even by evangelical teachers and pastors. Heaven is commonly mentioned at funerals, of course, since almost everyone attending a funeral wants to think that the deceased has gone there (assuming there turns out to be such a place). Hell is rarely acknowledged as even a possibility, on the other hand, even for mobsters or other criminals.
Nevertheless, hell is real and it is going to be more fully populated than heaven. The Lord Jesus said (and He should know!), “Broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: . . . narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it” (Matthew 7:13-14).
But just who are the “wicked” that will be turned into hell? According to the Bible, “there is none righteous, no, not one” (Romans 3:10), and “the whole world lieth in wickedness” (1 John 5:19). By the principle of Hebrew poetic parallelism, our text would indicate that “the wicked” are those who “forget God,” where the connotation of “forget” is “become oblivious to.”
Can whole nations become oblivious to the true God of creation—and do business and legislate and conduct all their affairs just as though God no longer existed? If so, those nations (or at least those citizens of those nations who practice such wickedness) are in mortal danger. “Thou puttest away all the wicked of the earth like dross” (Psalm 119:119).
But “Christ died for the ungodly” (Romans 5:6) and “blessed are all they that put their trust in him” (Psalm 2:12). We who trust Christ therefore surely need to work and pray earnestly for our nation, and its people, that they return to genuine love of God and His Word.
The subject of hell is widely ignored today, even by evangelical teachers and pastors. Heaven is commonly mentioned at funerals, of course, since almost everyone attending a funeral wants to think that the deceased has gone there (assuming there turns out to be such a place). Hell is rarely acknowledged as even a possibility, on the other hand, even for mobsters or other criminals.
Nevertheless, hell is real and it is going to be more fully populated than heaven. The Lord Jesus said (and He should know!), “Broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: . . . narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it” (Matthew 7:13-14).
But just who are the “wicked” that will be turned into hell? According to the Bible, “there is none righteous, no, not one” (Romans 3:10), and “the whole world lieth in wickedness” (1 John 5:19). By the principle of Hebrew poetic parallelism, our text would indicate that “the wicked” are those who “forget God,” where the connotation of “forget” is “become oblivious to.”
Can whole nations become oblivious to the true God of creation—and do business and legislate and conduct all their affairs just as though God no longer existed? If so, those nations (or at least those citizens of those nations who practice such wickedness) are in mortal danger. “Thou puttest away all the wicked of the earth like dross” (Psalm 119:119).
But “Christ died for the ungodly” (Romans 5:6) and “blessed are all they that put their trust in him” (Psalm 2:12). We who trust Christ therefore surely need to work and pray earnestly for our nation, and its people, that they return to genuine love of God and His Word.
J
Dear,
For the first paragraph you made,you need the definition of hell.Probably you might have heard it.Still let me say,hell is nothing but eternal separation from God,the lacking to be alive and to be energetic.
There are so many brilliant fools in world who goes against the word of God,pulled many away from Christian Faith,later might have come to God or, may not have come and perished in their own insufficient knowledge.God is a Spirit being.Its beyond form and gender.Our little brains cannot comprehend such a being.We live in God.There is nothing to scream or defensive about it.You may believe or you may not.No Christian will ever threaten you to believe.
For the second paragraph,you don't know much about the history of this world than what you watched in tv shows and browsing internet..the actual history of this world is recorded in Holy Bible and the reason why enemies of God couldn't destroy it through these 2000 years is because it is protected by God.There are many professionals in medicine field who have seen and familiar with NDE and people who came back to life after long time(even one day,as far as i know) talking about hell or Heaven.How much have you traveled to know things?The food that you buy from shopping malls are made with artificial ingredients than natural.It is the cause for much of the diseases we have in the world now.Do you bother?
It's easy to convince young people something,because of their innocence.But that doesn't change the world.If you really want to expose things,infiltrate into some top government secret bases of different countries around the world that hide truth from public.You won't live long.Many many have died in the pursuit irrespective of nationality.Don't be so gullible to be persuaded by a man who never experienced death can explain how after life is like.Theory is not experience.
For second para,your opinion is personal.You can believe what you want.Nobody is forcing or threatening you to 'convert'.
Third para,again you can think what you want.Its your free choice.But that doesn't make facts.You are fooling yourself by pushing personal beliefs into yourself than verifying things.
"We were effectively brought into existence against our will, and then without asking to exist we would then be forced to continue that existence of eternal suffering for not believing in something that isn't tangible." - that's your way of thinking.Have you fully read the Holy Bible?i don't think you will..but you simply marked it wrong.It's called assuming.
You din't rant.You feel so much stress because of Christians around you.And you have been allowed to talk here irrespective of your stand on spiritual beliefs.And you wish Christians just changed.
But they won't.Because they know the Truth.They verify,and found God faithful than people.It's been going on for centuries.Real people check things out than discard right away.
I have gone to the point of death and have experienced the supernatural power of God.I am still alive because of that.It doesn't matter what you believe.But Divine Miracles still happen in this irrespective of what godless people or skeptics believe(i was one till i experienced God).And Christ will come back no matter who likes it or not.Time is moving forward.And in future no matter how many outstanding scientific breakthroughs(distractions and illusions) you witness,and no matter how many documentaries in internet itself you failed to read/see/hear speaking about the purposeful deception to blind the world from God scientifically/philosophically/historically, we all will confront Jesus.
This is no warning or threat.Just reality.And when that happens,those who rejected Christ,will be going to hell.See,i didn't even become defensive or attack you.You can choose.It's free will.And you can check things in time and choose what you want now.Nobody has time to bother for silly quarrels.Unless the unwanted knowledge that you have goes away,God cannot come in.Deal or no deal,up to you.So being that the case,there is no point in reasoning.
For the first paragraph you made,you need the definition of hell.Probably you might have heard it.Still let me say,hell is nothing but eternal separation from God,the lacking to be alive and to be energetic.
There are so many brilliant fools in world who goes against the word of God,pulled many away from Christian Faith,later might have come to God or, may not have come and perished in their own insufficient knowledge.God is a Spirit being.Its beyond form and gender.Our little brains cannot comprehend such a being.We live in God.There is nothing to scream or defensive about it.You may believe or you may not.No Christian will ever threaten you to believe.
For the second paragraph,you don't know much about the history of this world than what you watched in tv shows and browsing internet..the actual history of this world is recorded in Holy Bible and the reason why enemies of God couldn't destroy it through these 2000 years is because it is protected by God.There are many professionals in medicine field who have seen and familiar with NDE and people who came back to life after long time(even one day,as far as i know) talking about hell or Heaven.How much have you traveled to know things?The food that you buy from shopping malls are made with artificial ingredients than natural.It is the cause for much of the diseases we have in the world now.Do you bother?
It's easy to convince young people something,because of their innocence.But that doesn't change the world.If you really want to expose things,infiltrate into some top government secret bases of different countries around the world that hide truth from public.You won't live long.Many many have died in the pursuit irrespective of nationality.Don't be so gullible to be persuaded by a man who never experienced death can explain how after life is like.Theory is not experience.
For second para,your opinion is personal.You can believe what you want.Nobody is forcing or threatening you to 'convert'.
Third para,again you can think what you want.Its your free choice.But that doesn't make facts.You are fooling yourself by pushing personal beliefs into yourself than verifying things.
"We were effectively brought into existence against our will, and then without asking to exist we would then be forced to continue that existence of eternal suffering for not believing in something that isn't tangible." - that's your way of thinking.Have you fully read the Holy Bible?i don't think you will..but you simply marked it wrong.It's called assuming.
You din't rant.You feel so much stress because of Christians around you.And you have been allowed to talk here irrespective of your stand on spiritual beliefs.And you wish Christians just changed.
But they won't.Because they know the Truth.They verify,and found God faithful than people.It's been going on for centuries.Real people check things out than discard right away.
I have gone to the point of death and have experienced the supernatural power of God.I am still alive because of that.It doesn't matter what you believe.But Divine Miracles still happen in this irrespective of what godless people or skeptics believe(i was one till i experienced God).And Christ will come back no matter who likes it or not.Time is moving forward.And in future no matter how many outstanding scientific breakthroughs(distractions and illusions) you witness,and no matter how many documentaries in internet itself you failed to read/see/hear speaking about the purposeful deception to blind the world from God scientifically/philosophically/historically, we all will confront Jesus.
This is no warning or threat.Just reality.And when that happens,those who rejected Christ,will be going to hell.See,i didn't even become defensive or attack you.You can choose.It's free will.
And you can check things in time and choose what you want now.Nobody has time to bother for silly quarrels.Unless the unwanted knowledge that you have goes away,God cannot come in.Deal or no deal,up to you.So being that the case,there is no point in reasoning.
J
Did anyone force you to change? or threatened you at gun point to convert?Then we a have a prob.
Otherwise,maybe you can read the Holy Bible from start to end.And then when you argue,its easy to communicate.
You will learn something and will realize why people think you rant.
Otherwise people won't bother no matter how much you try to seek attention.
Otherwise,maybe you can read the Holy Bible from start to end.And then when you argue,its easy to communicate.
You will learn something and will realize why people think you rant.
Otherwise people won't bother no matter how much you try to seek attention.