Amos is handy

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

crossnote

Senior Member
Nov 24, 2012
30,709
3,650
113
#21
All I can say is when you start spiritualizing the OT you pave the way for any made-up interpretation that feeds your fancy.
 
Feb 7, 2014
361
4
0
#22
All I can say is when you start spiritualizing the OT you pave the way for any made-up interpretation that feeds your fancy.
These things were written for our examples. Have you not understood that physical Israel thought that they were superior to other races. Now we know better in that God is no respecter of persons and all of mankind is named after Him.

Now think of this. According to the flesh and example, Abraham is the father of our faith. But the truth is that Christ (Spirit of prophesy) is the author of it looking at the whole picture.
 

crossnote

Senior Member
Nov 24, 2012
30,709
3,650
113
#23
These things were written for our examples. Have you not understood that physical Israel thought that they were superior to other races. Now we know better in that God is no respecter of persons and all of mankind is named after Him.

Now think of this. According to the flesh and example, Abraham is the father of our faith. But the truth is that Christ (Spirit of prophesy) is the author of it looking at the whole picture.
Again you keep dodging the literal meaning of Amos pertaining to the Jews after the flesh not spiritual Israel. All the OT prophecies that have been fulfilled have been so physically. You have no warrant to interpret them otherwise.
 
Oct 31, 2011
8,200
182
0
#24
It is quite the judgments you all are making. When Joshua was told to take Canaan, he was told to simply take it. I know for a fact that God wants the very best for every human He created, yet God wanted the humans who had eternal life to take from the humans who had no hope of achieving eternal life, and it was God's orders. We are not to make war on anyone, we are told, and we are to respect all life, even animal life. War is only to be under God's direct order. From human understanding and reasoning, all you say is right.

If you follow history from the time of Christ, you will find that the world wants the Jews dead. The Palestinians make no bones about it, they want them dead. We are going into a battle of all of the attributes of God against evil. Until God steps in, evil will seem to be winning. Even in our little world, look at the news from Hollywood and the sports figures. Obama went to the media to express praise for homosexuality the other day. It is hard to tell from the lifestyle who is the church by membership in the denominational church. Most churches preach that the law is obsolete, teaching Christian behavior is not in fashion.

I think that "be kind to the poor Palestinians" is not the way of the Lord, regardless of how brutal that sounds.
 
Feb 7, 2014
361
4
0
#25
Again you keep dodging the literal meaning of Amos pertaining to the Jews after the flesh not spiritual Israel. All the OT prophecies that have been fulfilled have been so physically. You have no warrant to interpret them otherwise.
I don't. Just that those are not Jews over there no matter what mainstream media calls them.
 

crossnote

Senior Member
Nov 24, 2012
30,709
3,650
113
#26
I don't. Just that those are not Jews over there no matter what mainstream media calls them.
Not Jews? Hitler was misled when he gassed, ovened, and starved millions of Jews? Mistaken identity?
I'm sorry you truly are drunk with anti-semite kool aid and besides too drunk to answer the Amos passage without keep falling into a diatribe against the physical descendents of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
 
Jan 12, 2014
128
4
0
#27
Palestinians are human beings too and our brothers!
That'll get you a sneer or a snort, and dismissed as a terrorist (or terrorist lover). And why not?
If you're in a war between a good civilized Democracy (highly favored by God no less), and a heaving mass of non-human beings, well...the answer is obvious.

Forget about the Palestinians, Dustoffmyfeet. And any of those other people who keep causing us trouble during our global aggressions and occupation(s) of other people's stuff. Just put them out of your mind. When you see them on tv, listen to the anchorman - he'll tell you how primitive and useless those (non) peoples are. They can't be reasoned with, apparently. All they understand is violence.

They'll (palestinians) be gone soon enough. Embargos, deprivation, murders from air and land, perpetual daily trauma, destruction of homes. All war crimes, but big deal. Civilized people have a right to defend themselves (by any means necessary) against the indigenous (savage) population whose land and houses are being stolen and occupied.

94% of the Israeli population was enthusiastically in favor of Cast Lead (the war crime)...many enjoyed the day by watching the events live. Incendiary devices lighting up the sky, dropped into concentration camps and landing on baby savages and burning them alive is....well...what is it if it isn't good?

Don't drink the Palestinian koolaid.
I guess that means saying you care or think they are human beings.
 
Feb 7, 2014
361
4
0
#28
That'll get you a sneer or a snort, and dismissed as a terrorist (or terrorist lover). And why not?
If you're in a war between a good civilized Democracy (highly favored by God no less), and a heaving mass of non-human beings, well...the answer is obvious.

Forget about the Palestinians, Dustoffmyfeet. And any of those other people who keep causing us trouble during our global aggressions and occupation(s) of other people's stuff. Just put them out of your mind. When you see them on tv, listen to the anchorman - he'll tell you how primitive and useless those (non) peoples are. They can't be reasoned with, apparently. All they understand is violence.

They'll (palestinians) be gone soon enough. Embargos, deprivation, murders from air and land, perpetual daily trauma, destruction of homes. All war crimes, but big deal. Civilized people have a right to defend themselves (by any means necessary) against the indigenous (savage) population whose land and houses are being stolen and occupied.

94% of the Israeli population was enthusiastically in favor of Cast Lead (the war crime)...many enjoyed the day by watching the events live. Incendiary devices lighting up the sky, dropped into concentration camps and landing on baby savages and burning them alive is....well...what is it if it isn't good?

Don't drink the Palestinian koolaid.
I guess that means saying you care or think they are human beings.
WOW! This is from a Christian spreading love??? The problem is that you believe whatever the tv tells you. We live in a world in where the same corporations sell both cigarettes and the means to quit them. They own it all. Again instead of blindly believing what you are told on the tube, do some independent research please.

And democracy? This comes from years of dumbing down our children in schools! Our country was set up as a REPUBLIC!

Besides, you should hear BOTH sides of the story. You may consider them dogs, but they are people just like us!

[video=youtube_share;aOQqhvplwdY]http://youtu.be/aOQqhvplwdY[/video]
 
Feb 7, 2014
361
4
0
#29
I find it amazing that I can say that 30,000 children die all around the world EVERYDAY from things as preventable as starvation and it falls on deaf ears! This is our attempt at genocide!
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#30
Hmmm, actually I don't see in Scripture any future displacement so why wait for the Millenium?
because what we so over their now is not what was prophesied. if anything, one could only say it is a partial fulfillment.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#31
I simply call it how I see it. If you believe that all of physical Israel or according to the flesh will be saved while others according to the flesh is doomed, that would make God a respecter of persons of which He certainly is not.
Thats not what he is saying, and not what Scripture says.

Scripture says Israel is blinded in part now.l But one day will ALL be saved. in fact, in that day. Many will be saved, jew as well as Gentile.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#32
As I stated before, God considers Israel to be the whole world with the races being the tribes.

Where do you get this, When God specifically (according to specific promises) differentiates Isreal (national) from all Non Isreal (gentiles) ?


When God says that they will no longer be taken from the land, He means that death will be defeated. And Micah has a spiritual meaning as well as the seed of God germinates in mankind, we will be caught in the air. Now Judah as when Israel split into two kingdoms represented those who stayed true to God in knowledge. Now we know that physically Jesus came from the tribe of Judah and is king of kings and lord of lords, but others will rule with Him, correct?

This is the problem with trying to spiritualize prophesy, We make up our own doctrines based on no foundation.

God made specific promises to the people he calls Israel (descendants of Araham, Issac and Jacob) And those promises are still in effect.

Also. ALL Ot prophesy concerning the crufied Christ literally came true. Why would God all of a sudden change the way he does things, and make us spiritualize the rest of prophesy?
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#33
WOW! Is that how you justify mass killings? Hitler believed he was doing God's will too. God said to love your neighbor, and if you believe that's love, then what can I say.

To do unto the least of Jesus brethren (Palestinians) is to do unto Him.
So it is ok for a palestinian to kill jews. But not ok for a jew to defend himself and kill back..

ok.. can anyone say double standard?
 
Feb 7, 2014
361
4
0
#34
Thats not what he is saying, and not what Scripture says.

Scripture says Israel is blinded in part now.l But one day will ALL be saved. in fact, in that day. Many will be saved, jew as well as Gentile.
"Jew and Gentile" represents the flesh. You represent physical Israel as you are a believer in Christ. As such a Muslim represents a Gentile in the flesh to you. But the truth of God is all of mankind is Israel. Israel or the Jew according to the flesh is blind until the fullness of those who are considered unclean according to Israel comes in.

Again that fullness starts with the world wide economic collapse.
 
Feb 7, 2014
361
4
0
#35
So it is ok for a palestinian to kill jews. But not ok for a jew to defend himself and kill back..

ok.. can anyone say double standard?
You have it the wrong way. I wouldn't care who or what the reason is, if someone was to forcefully enter your house and remove your family, what would you do?

I see Israel with the latest in U.S supplied weaponry. I mainly see Palestinians fighting with rocks.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#36
That'll get you a sneer or a snort, and dismissed as a terrorist (or terrorist lover). And why not?
If you're in a war between a good civilized Democracy (highly favored by God no less), and a heaving mass of non-human beings, well...the answer is obvious.

Forget about the Palestinians, Dustoffmyfeet. And any of those other people who keep causing us trouble during our global aggressions and occupation(s) of other people's stuff. Just put them out of your mind. When you see them on tv, listen to the anchorman - he'll tell you how primitive and useless those (non) peoples are. They can't be reasoned with, apparently. All they understand is violence.

They'll (palestinians) be gone soon enough. Embargos, deprivation, murders from air and land, perpetual daily trauma, destruction of homes. All war crimes, but big deal. Civilized people have a right to defend themselves (by any means necessary) against the indigenous (savage) population whose land and houses are being stolen and occupied.

94% of the Israeli population was enthusiastically in favor of Cast Lead (the war crime)...many enjoyed the day by watching the events live. Incendiary devices lighting up the sky, dropped into concentration camps and landing on baby savages and burning them alive is....well...what is it if it isn't good?

Don't drink the Palestinian koolaid.
I guess that means saying you care or think they are human beings.
Now here is a dose of propoganda. Lets all listen to these peace loving palestinians. Who send their wives and kids out to blow themselves up whilke taking a few innocents with them, just so they can kill some jews. Or lets not worry about them shooting rockets into neighborhoods to kill innocent women and children.

the fact is, there is evil on both sides in Palestine, it is not all jews fault or palestinain. The fault is that the palestinians do not want peace. they HATE Isreal (as has every gentile nation since their inception(think hitler) and will do anything they can to kill as many jews as they can.

two wrongs do not make a right, agreed, but it is not all evil israel, if you think this. you do not know the whole story.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#37
"Jew and Gentile" represents the flesh. You represent physical Israel as you are a believer in Christ. As such a Muslim represents a Gentile in the flesh to you. But the truth of God is all of mankind is Israel. Israel or the Jew according to the flesh is blind until the fullness of those who are considered unclean according to Israel comes in.
and where do you get this from? From Scripture? I think Not.

Paul calls israel our enemy in the book of romans 11. Why would he called out a national people. and then say they will all be saved one day?


Again that fullness starts with the world wide economic collapse.
I can agree, this could cause the world leader to raise up and take control.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#38
You have it the wrong way. I wouldn't care who or what the reason is, if someone was to forcefully enter your house and remove your family, what would you do?

I see Israel with the latest in U.S supplied weaponry. I mainly see Palestinians fighting with rocks.
lol.. So it is ok for a palestinian to take a jew out of their house, but not the opposite.. ok

So the jews with ALL this fine weaponry must be slackers. The Dome of the rock is still in jerusalem. All the jew haters surrounding them are still in existance. They must not be the haters you claim.

Funny how over the years, Israel has sat at the peace table, while the palestinian leaders have done everything they can to prevent peace from occuring.
 
Feb 7, 2014
361
4
0
#39

Where do you get this, When God specifically (according to specific promises) differentiates Isreal (national) from all Non Isreal (gentiles) ?




This is the problem with trying to spiritualize prophesy, We make up our own doctrines based on no foundation.

God made specific promises to the people he calls Israel (descendants of Araham, Issac and Jacob) And those promises are still in effect.

Also. ALL Ot prophesy concerning the crufied Christ literally came true. Why would God all of a sudden change the way he does things, and make us spiritualize the rest of prophesy?
It is hard to explain to one who only sees what he wants to see.

Hosea 6:1-2

6 Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

[SUP]2[/SUP]After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#40
It is hard to explain to one who only sees what he wants to see.

Hosea 6:1-2

6 Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

[SUP]2[/SUP]After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

Yep it is hard to see when your blinded by your own belief.

I guess the promises made to abraham concerning his PHYSICAL children concerning a pieceof land in the middle east. Which God said was an ETERNAL covenant between him and them mean nothing.