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You say, "I am a gentile by the flesh, but a Israelite by the spirit." This sounds like some kind of replacement, like Replacement theology.
 
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Historicist said:
You say, "I am a gentile by the flesh, but a Israelite by the spirit." This sounds like some kind of replacement, like Replacement theology.
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That wouldn't be too inaccurate to say literally if one interpretted it as you are racially non-jewish but because you trully believe in the God of Israel (Jacob) you are an Israelite in your spirit. Remember some of the prophecies, like the first promise God makes to Abraham. He promises all the families of Earth will be blessed through the race of Abraham. The families are just the other races of Abraham's time. In all likelihood you are probably not descended directly from Abraham, thus are a Gentile (though God did promise to scatter the Jews and mix them into all people but He also kept them distinct culturally and genetically and historically so there's a chance given from the time the Jews were scattered to present day you might actually got a lil jew in you lol.) However those that are just jews by race alone but do not follow the God of Israel or accept the Messiah whom the Prophets of the God of Israel foretold are themselves not fully jewish because what it also means to be Jewish is to believe in the God of Jacob (Israel), Isaac, and Abraham. This also fulfills the Messiah prophecies and gives more credit to Jesus because in order to believe in the God of Israel whether racially jew or gentile you gotta believe in the Messiah, and you also must therefore believe in Jesus. If you believe in Jesus you believe in his Father the God of Israel, you believe in his Holy Spirit of righteousness, and you are therefore blessed even though your great grand-daddy could be Japheth or Ham or one of the other progeny of Shem.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
no, the replacement theology is that God is done with the jews, and replaced them with the church, and the promises God made to them now belong to the church.

He did not take away his promise, it still belongs to them, They just do not possess it because of their unbelief.

it is like I give a hcild a car as a gift. and give them requirements to be able to use it. But it will not belong to the person who is driving it at that time. it still belongs to my son.

if they do not hold up to their end, it is still theres, but I will let someone else use it. but if they repent, and start to obey all the rules. i will give it back to them..
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I agree with this and with what John has to say as well and lest we forget....

1. Israel was called the assembly (church) of the 1st born in the wilderness
2. They had immersion in picture (under the Red Sea and under the Jordan when they finally came into the land
3. The earthly ministry of Jesus and the Apostles was to the lost sheep of the House of Israel first-->Gentiles second (Paul)
4. We as Gentile believers have been grafted in under the Faith of Abraham and are of the seed and stock of Abraham by faith (Book Of Galatians)
5. There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ as he has made us one under one banner of faith
6. Israel/Judah have not been forsaken of their God
7. The promises made unto Israel will be fulfilled by God and the Lion of the Tribe of Judah will rule and reign from the world capitol Jerusalem as He exercises dominion over all nations/peoples/languages etc...
 
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You are using the Futurist interpretation, that which was unknown to early church and Protestant reformers.
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lol. Forgive me if I shun catholic pagan dogma.

I am not here to discus dogma, I am here to discus scripture.

Pagan rome was not more powerful than rome itself. The 5th empire will make the roman empire look like a kids army.

Try looking at the word. and not what your taught, you will see this too
 
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Historicist said:
You say, "I am a gentile by the flesh, but a Israelite by the spirit." This sounds like some kind of replacement, like Replacement theology.
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And you sound like someone who does not have an argument, so all he can do is mock and scorn..

So next....
 
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dcontroversal said:
I agree with this and with what John has to say as well and lest we forget....

1. Israel was called the assembly (church) of the 1st born in the wilderness
2. They had immersion in picture (under the Red Sea and under the Jordan when they finally came into the land
3. The earthly ministry of Jesus and the Apostles was to the lost sheep of the House of Israel first-->Gentiles second (Paul)
4. We as Gentile believers have been grafted in under the Faith of Abraham and are of the seed and stock of Abraham by faith (Book Of Galatians)
5. There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ as he has made us one under one banner of faith
6. Israel/Judah have not been forsaken of their God
7. The promises made unto Israel will be fulfilled by God and the Lion of the Tribe of Judah will rule and reign from the world capitol Jerusalem as He exercises dominion over all nations/peoples/languages etc...
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That will be a great day! When there is finally peace on Earth.. And all the earth worship Jesus as Lord!
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
That will be a great day! When there is finally peace on Earth.. And all the earth worship Jesus as Lord!
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Yes in deed...I look forward to being in a glorified body that never sins again and is celestial in application if you will.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Yes in deed...I look forward to being in a glorified body that never sins again and is celestial in application if you will.
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I look forward to being completely what the master created me to be.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

I look forward to being completely what the master created me to be.
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I agree and will say.....that's a given mi amigo....he wants me to be in a glorified body :) which is the final step to complete redemption if you will as we have the prepayment of our salvation and redemption in the sealing of the Holy Spirit of promise...now for the redemption of the body at the resurrection/change a/k/a rapture<---yeah I know :)
 
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dcontroversal said:
I agree and will say.....that's a given mi amigo....he wants me to be in a glorified body :) which is the final step to complete redemption if you will as we have the prepayment of our salvation and redemption in the sealing of the Holy Spirit of promise...now for the redemption of the body at the resurrection/change a/k/a rapture<---yeah I know :)
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could not have said it better myself my friend :)
 
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