There Are Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity
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That is a pretty good question. I'll give you what I have on this from my Hebrews outline.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]b. Jesus is anointed "above your companion." Much speculation has been offered as to just who these companions might be. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]* Some have suggested this may refer to the angels of verses 5-7 over whom Jesus is made emanate. This is possible considering the contrast offered between Jesus and the angels. However, as created beings angels are a lower rank of being and always occupy a subordinate position and in their relation to the Son, they are not fellow anything.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]* Others suggest that companions may refer to Christians for we are "made to be kings and priests," Revelation 1:6, and he as promised that we will reign with him, Revelation 20:6. This may be a possible application of the term but, it really does not fit the context of chapter one.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]* Dods, in his comments on Hebrews in The Expositor's Greek Testament p.256, suggests that it is "...preferable to keep the term indefinite as indicating generally the supremacy of Christ." This too seems to ignore the specific nature in which this word is used. Companions implies a specific class who occupy like positions. Since the context presents Jesus as King then those regarded as companions in this context would be those who are fellow kings. These are those who are themselves emanate, exalted, or sovereign in the earth. This would not apply to angels for they are not appointed as rulers and sovereigns. They occupy no thrones. Notice the inferences:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]- "Thy throne is for ever and ever." This stands in contrast to those whose thrones are temporal, limited in time; whose thrones will be left to others in the succeeding generations.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]- His scepter is righteousness as opposed to those kings whose scepters measure out injustice.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]- He loved righteousness and hated lawlessness. This is in contrast to those whose reigns are characterized by evil, unrighteousness, and oppression of the innocent. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]- In this, Jesus in anointed "ABOVE" his companions. He is sovereign over all who possess thrones, scepters, and kingdoms. Jesus is indeed King over all kings and Lord over all lords.[/FONT]
You are still thinking in anthropomorphic terms. Like everything else we are shown from the unseen world, scripture always uses terms with which we can relate. There is a reason for this if you are interested. The word throne is simply used to designate the sovereigntyof God. You are thinking of God as having some type of form or shape that corresponds to physical form and you are connecting this idea to terms like sitting down on a throne and being at the right hand. These are simply terms that create a picture in our minds that are familiar to us.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2. “He sat down.” There is a uniqueness in this that is completely foreign to the Jewish readers. Yet, for all of its uniqueness, there is also a shadow of familiarity. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]a. The posture is endemic to that of the master teacher, Matthew 5:1-2; 13:2, Mark 4:1-2. The seated posture denotes honor, dignity, and reverence. Although these things are familiar in the role of the teacher, it is not really what is represented in this text. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]b. The idea of having sat down comes out of the context of having made purification for sin. This is the unique aspect. Under the sacrificial system of the Law of Moses, no provision was ever made for the high priest to sit down in the performance of his duties at the altar. He was most certainly given no provision to sit down in the Hoy of Holies before the presence of God. There are two reasons for this.* The need for the blood of bulls and goats was testimony to the fact that it was bot his rightful place. Because of sin, God's holiness is violated and the blood of those sacrifices could not satisfy God's demand for justice. Because of sin, the high priest could not be found worthy to sit in presence of God. Because Jesus was without sin, he is found worthy to take is seat in the presence of God upon the mercy seat.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]* The work of atonement was a never ending process of sacrifice to those high priests. They made sacrifice often entering and departing the holy place year after year. But, Jesus entered once, sat down, not needing to go out again for another sacrifice. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]* In Jesus, the work of redemption is complete, sacrifice is finished, God's demand for justice is satisfied, his holiness is vindicated and eternal redemption is now available, 9:12-25. In Jesus, God has accomplished what the Law could never do. “He condemned sin in the flesh.” Romans 8:1-4.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]E. He is the sovereign Ruler “at the right hand of the Majesty on high.” [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1. The right hand[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]a. This is the designation of honor and authority. In this is bound the fulfillment of Psalms 110:1. “The LORD says to my lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]b. It is reserved for deity. He who sits at the right hand is Lord. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]c. It is occupied only by divine invitation. “The LORD said sit... .” See Mark 10:35-40.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]d. It is a place which confirms relationship. It is the Son who sits at the right hand.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2. “He sat down.” There is a uniqueness in this that is completely foreign to the Jewish readers. Yet, for all of its uniqueness, there is also a shadow of familiarity. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]a. The posture is endemic to that of the master teacher, Matthew 5:1-2; 13:2, Mark 4:1-2. The seated posture denotes honor, dignity, and reverence. Although these things are familiar in the role of the teacher, it is not really what is represented in this text. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]b. The idea of having sat down comes out of the context of having made purification for sin. This is the unique aspect. Under the sacrificial system of the Law of Moses, no provision was ever made for the high priest to sit down in the performance of his duties at the altar. He was most certainly given no provision to sit down in the Hoy of Holies before the presence of God. There are two reasons for this.* The need for the blood of bulls and goats was testimony to the fact that it was bot his rightful place. Because of sin, God's holiness is violated and the blood of those sacrifices could not satisfy God's demand for justice. Because of sin, the high priest could not be found worthy to sit in presence of God. Because Jesus was without sin, he is found worthy to take is seat in the presence of God upon the mercy seat.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]* The work of atonement was a never ending process of sacrifice to those high priests. They made sacrifice often entering and departing the holy place year after year. But, Jesus entered once, sat down, not needing to go out again for another sacrifice. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]* In Jesus, the work of redemption is complete, sacrifice is finished, God's demand for justice is satisfied, his holiness is vindicated and eternal redemption is now available, 9:12-25. In Jesus, God has accomplished what the Law could never do. “He condemned sin in the flesh.” Romans 8:1-4.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]E. He is the sovereign Ruler “at the right hand of the Majesty on high.” [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1. The right hand[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]a. This is the designation of honor and authority. In this is bound the fulfillment of Psalms 110:1. “The LORD says to my lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]b. It is reserved for deity. He who sits at the right hand is Lord. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]c. It is occupied only by divine invitation. “The LORD said sit... .” See Mark 10:35-40.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]d. It is a place which confirms relationship. It is the Son who sits at the right hand.[/FONT]
You are speaking this from a flesh point of view, which no flesh sees righteously.
Yet in the Spirit of God all three are one as an egg is not an egg whole if any part is missing
The shell of the egg is as if Christ the Body of God incarnate
The white, as the Holy Spirit to guide us once we join in on the Faith
The yoke, the source of all truth, that the Holy Ghost tells us all about through the Son, we are saved by Son's work, finished for us by Father, proof resurredcted Christ
Anyway, you are free to see it anyway you want just as all the rest here, for I am content in it all, knowing God causes us to stand those that believe God and so i make no judgment here or there, trusting Father to give wahtever increase is needed in you, me and all beleivers
Yet in the Spirit of God all three are one as an egg is not an egg whole if any part is missing
The shell of the egg is as if Christ the Body of God incarnate
The white, as the Holy Spirit to guide us once we join in on the Faith
The yoke, the source of all truth, that the Holy Ghost tells us all about through the Son, we are saved by Son's work, finished for us by Father, proof resurredcted Christ
Anyway, you are free to see it anyway you want just as all the rest here, for I am content in it all, knowing God causes us to stand those that believe God and so i make no judgment here or there, trusting Father to give wahtever increase is needed in you, me and all beleivers
Re: Jesus is God.
"I" am dead to flesh, for all sin has been condemned to flesh (Rom. 8:3) This is by belief I am alive yet dead. Yes in Spirit I am alive and one with God
You apparently are splitting hairs and keeping maybe self alive in flesh, as being separate from God.
And today God can only be worshiped in Spirit and truth, no flesh pleases God except Christ's, and that
is the only flesh that ever has pleased Father period
Christ was born here on earth to redeem us in Spirit not flesh, we are to be one in Spirit not flesh
Praying to this matter for us all to see the fight of Flesh and Spirit of God and what we are to be alive to right now, by Faith (belief)
Praying God shows us all this truth
"I" am dead to flesh, for all sin has been condemned to flesh (Rom. 8:3) This is by belief I am alive yet dead. Yes in Spirit I am alive and one with God
You apparently are splitting hairs and keeping maybe self alive in flesh, as being separate from God.
And today God can only be worshiped in Spirit and truth, no flesh pleases God except Christ's, and that
is the only flesh that ever has pleased Father period
Christ was born here on earth to redeem us in Spirit not flesh, we are to be one in Spirit not flesh
Praying to this matter for us all to see the fight of Flesh and Spirit of God and what we are to be alive to right now, by Faith (belief)
Praying God shows us all this truth
S
I'am a Oneness from the Church of the Living God. DEUTERONOMY 6:
4. Hear, O Isreal: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5. And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6. And these words, which I command these this day, shall be in thine heart:
Robert. God bless
4. Hear, O Isreal: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5. And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6. And these words, which I command these this day, shall be in thine heart:
Robert. God bless
I'am a Oneness from the Church of the Living God. DEUTERONOMY 6:
4. Hear, O Isreal: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5. And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6. And these words, which I command these this day, shall be in thine heart:
Robert. God bless
4. Hear, O Isreal: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5. And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6. And these words, which I command these this day, shall be in thine heart:
Robert. God bless
Thank you Robert
Re: Jesus is God.
Don't be too hard on the "flesh". The body (flesh) is a temple of God and should be respected as such. God created you in His image and likeness and so the body of flesh is very important to God. Remember that the body and your spirit make up the soul of man(Genesis 2:7). Remember also that our vile body will be changed into a glorious body by the resurrection (Philippians 3:21). Our new resurrected body will be fashioned like unto Jesus's resurrected body. We know his resurrected body was a body of flesh and bone.
So be willing to overcome the evils of the flesh, for if you do overcome, you will sit with Jesus in his throne, both of us having bodies of flesh and bone. (Rev. 3:21).
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Don't be too hard on the "flesh". The body (flesh) is a temple of God and should be respected as such. God created you in His image and likeness and so the body of flesh is very important to God. Remember that the body and your spirit make up the soul of man(Genesis 2:7). Remember also that our vile body will be changed into a glorious body by the resurrection (Philippians 3:21). Our new resurrected body will be fashioned like unto Jesus's resurrected body. We know his resurrected body was a body of flesh and bone.
So be willing to overcome the evils of the flesh, for if you do overcome, you will sit with Jesus in his throne, both of us having bodies of flesh and bone. (Rev. 3:21).
,
Re: Jesus is God.
We in unredeemed bodies can't, not possible: So what do we do since we are waiting:
Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses
Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
For now flesh is to counted as dead withe Christ at the cross. For it is by flesh that anyone still sins, and no flesh today pleases God
We in unredeemed bodies can't, not possible: So what do we do since we are waiting:
Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses
Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
For now flesh is to counted as dead withe Christ at the cross. For it is by flesh that anyone still sins, and no flesh today pleases God
Re: Jesus is God.
Facts are facts:
Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 8:4 that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Facts are facts:
Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 8:4 that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
M
Re: Jesus is God.
Psa 45:6-7
Thy throne, O (Elohiym) God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 7: Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore (Elohiym) God, thy (Elohiym) God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
{Quoted in HEB 1:8-9 and applied to resurrected Jesus}
HEB 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God [Elohiym][Vocative], is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God [nominative], even thy God [nom], hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."
Elohiym is the proper address for anyone who has become immortal. or died.
SAMUEL DIED AND WAS SEEN AS ELOHIYM
"And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw Elohiym [Gods] ascending out of the earth. 14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. 15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. 16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? 17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David:"[I Sam 28:13-17]
YE ARE ELOHIYM
Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
THE SCRIPTURE CANNOT BE BROKEN
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Elohim does not mean "GOD," it is translated God. There is a difference. Elohim is a reference to anyone immortal; God, angels, men who have died.
Psa 45:6-7
Thy throne, O (Elohiym) God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 7: Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore (Elohiym) God, thy (Elohiym) God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
{Quoted in HEB 1:8-9 and applied to resurrected Jesus}
HEB 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God [Elohiym][Vocative], is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God [nominative], even thy God [nom], hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."
Elohiym is the proper address for anyone who has become immortal. or died.
SAMUEL DIED AND WAS SEEN AS ELOHIYM
"And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw Elohiym [Gods] ascending out of the earth. 14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. 15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. 16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? 17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David:"[I Sam 28:13-17]
YE ARE ELOHIYM
Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
THE SCRIPTURE CANNOT BE BROKEN
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Elohim does not mean "GOD," it is translated God. There is a difference. Elohim is a reference to anyone immortal; God, angels, men who have died.
M
Re: ALL scripture proves the Trinity...
There are many occasions in which Angels spoke for Jehovah. That did not promote them to being Jehovah. Study up! No created being is God. Scri[pture tells you ALL mal-awk were created. You seem to think one was an exception. Care to share your scripture reference?
There are many occasions in which Angels spoke for Jehovah. That did not promote them to being Jehovah. Study up! No created being is God. Scri[pture tells you ALL mal-awk were created. You seem to think one was an exception. Care to share your scripture reference?
M
You are correct.
God can. It was God who said "I am the God" in Gen 17:1, when He introduced Himself to Abraham using singular grammar. And iut was God who introduced Himself to Moses "I am the being" again using singular grammar.
And it was Jesus who said "I and the Father are one." I don't think he was reducing God to a math formula, or maybe that is not what you are saying. No accusation intended. Just trying to respond to a statement.
God is one, singular person/being, who is one with the son and both are one with the saints. It is a reference to agreement, in goal, in holiness, in possibly other aspects, that do not reference a numerical quantity of limitation in being.
God can. It was God who said "I am the God" in Gen 17:1, when He introduced Himself to Abraham using singular grammar. And iut was God who introduced Himself to Moses "I am the being" again using singular grammar.
And it was Jesus who said "I and the Father are one." I don't think he was reducing God to a math formula, or maybe that is not what you are saying. No accusation intended. Just trying to respond to a statement.
God is one, singular person/being, who is one with the son and both are one with the saints. It is a reference to agreement, in goal, in holiness, in possibly other aspects, that do not reference a numerical quantity of limitation in being.
Re: Jesus is God.
Explain to me who you think Elohim was in the first chapter of Genesis?
Explain to me who you think Yahweh Elohim was in the second and third chapters of Genesis?
Explain to me who you think Yahweh was in the fourth chapter to the end of Genesis?
Explain how each are different from each other.
Explain to me who you think Elohim was in the first chapter of Genesis?
Explain to me who you think Yahweh Elohim was in the second and third chapters of Genesis?
Explain to me who you think Yahweh was in the fourth chapter to the end of Genesis?
Explain how each are different from each other.