Churches of Christ with or without instruments, which is the right way to worship?
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That's what God wants you to do: that is your destiny. I have no interest in convincing anyone about anything. But the jumping and jiving may be a PRODUCT of refusing to abandon proof texts. Strong delusions makes it impossible to change lanes once you have taken the fork in the road. There are only a tiny number of Lost Spirits Jesus was sent to seek and save: He parks those spirits in a heavenly kingdom and church defined by Isaiah as UMBRELLUM which is to PROTECT those who understand the secret message until pick up time. The Locusts or muses are to collect and hold those with the mark of the Beast: Mark turning the word into a song. Best "a new style of music or drama." Image a song REpresenting the Word.
Many (most) are called or invited but FEW (a tiny number) are chosen. Chosen is based on OBEDIENCE patterned by Jesus.
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Many (most) are called or invited but FEW (a tiny number) are chosen. Chosen is based on OBEDIENCE patterned by Jesus.
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
According to the Spirit OF Christ specificially in Isaiah 1 and Jeremiah 7 said that God DID NOT COMMAND animal sacrifices or burnt offering. Such a view of the Almighty is enough in itself to disqualify anyone.
There were no mandatory sacrifices in THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was Abrahamic.,
Israel rose up to play in musical idolatry of the Egyptian trinity.
God turned them over to worship the story and sentenced them to captivity and death.
God gave them THE BOOK OF THE LAW which laws were NOT GOOD and had nothing to do with the spirit.
The godly people were parked in their isolated towns and a leader over ten families led them into REST, reading and rehearsing the WORD of God. This was The Church of Christ (the Rock) from the wilderness onward.
This holy convocation OUTLAWED vocal or instrumental rejoicing so we don't depend on A LAW OF SILENCE.
Anyone who has a problem with performance music simply cannot know the meaning of a Christiian as a Disciple as a STUDENT limited to what Christ taught in the prophets and Jesus made more certain to the Apostles.
There were no mandatory sacrifices in THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was Abrahamic.,
Israel rose up to play in musical idolatry of the Egyptian trinity.
God turned them over to worship the story and sentenced them to captivity and death.
God gave them THE BOOK OF THE LAW which laws were NOT GOOD and had nothing to do with the spirit.
The godly people were parked in their isolated towns and a leader over ten families led them into REST, reading and rehearsing the WORD of God. This was The Church of Christ (the Rock) from the wilderness onward.
This holy convocation OUTLAWED vocal or instrumental rejoicing so we don't depend on A LAW OF SILENCE.
Anyone who has a problem with performance music simply cannot know the meaning of a Christiian as a Disciple as a STUDENT limited to what Christ taught in the prophets and Jesus made more certain to the Apostles.
I know of no recorded exception. While singing caused massive discord c 373 it is accepted by too many as an ACT of liturg.
The command is to use one mind and one mouth to teach that which is written for our learning or Scripture for our Comfort.
Fanny Crosby or Twila Paris or the praise singer do not qualify.
There is nothing in the Bible which is METRICAL and you couldn't sing it if your life depended on it.
There was no tuneful melody singing until after the Reformation when John Calvin permitted some Psalms (only) to be radically rewritten and set to a simple melody: this was sung in UNISON long before people decided that melody IN the heart meant HARMONY on a baqnd.
Modern medical science knows very well that anything beyond simple melody (single notes in a series) creates endorphins and other drugh-like things and these create the effect of Fight or Flight and a sexual impulse. The CIVIL Greeks understood that and would not permit the older people to attend them more jumpy forms of singing: again NEVER tuneful but like rhymic prose. The elevated PAIN type falsetto is a grating sound whether you are aware of it or not.
Witchcraft can be brewed most readily by musical performance which creates "spiritual anxiety" which is the outlawed Laded Burden. Anything you use beyond the command to "sermonize" which meant "in a conversational tone" causes a response the simple word cannot produce. The LOGOS is the Rational Mind or Regulating Principle of God.
The logos type SPEAK words such as LEXIS is the opposite to ODE and ODE is the opposite to Lexus or Logiskos.
The command is to use one mind and one mouth to teach that which is written for our learning or Scripture for our Comfort.
Fanny Crosby or Twila Paris or the praise singer do not qualify.
There is nothing in the Bible which is METRICAL and you couldn't sing it if your life depended on it.
There was no tuneful melody singing until after the Reformation when John Calvin permitted some Psalms (only) to be radically rewritten and set to a simple melody: this was sung in UNISON long before people decided that melody IN the heart meant HARMONY on a baqnd.
Modern medical science knows very well that anything beyond simple melody (single notes in a series) creates endorphins and other drugh-like things and these create the effect of Fight or Flight and a sexual impulse. The CIVIL Greeks understood that and would not permit the older people to attend them more jumpy forms of singing: again NEVER tuneful but like rhymic prose. The elevated PAIN type falsetto is a grating sound whether you are aware of it or not.
Witchcraft can be brewed most readily by musical performance which creates "spiritual anxiety" which is the outlawed Laded Burden. Anything you use beyond the command to "sermonize" which meant "in a conversational tone" causes a response the simple word cannot produce. The LOGOS is the Rational Mind or Regulating Principle of God.
The logos type SPEAK words such as LEXIS is the opposite to ODE and ODE is the opposite to Lexus or Logiskos.
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neither of those two books and chapters describe animal sacrifice,but conversly how do you respond to the fact that God had regard for Able's sacrifice but not cains if indeed it wasnt Inspired by God. How do you logically conclude it was not accepted? But when God commanded noah to build the ark out of gopher wood he never said he couldnt use any other kind. so if the theory that, silence is permission, then he could have mixed all the wood on earth been creative and a free spirited. But to a person who builds boats, i wonder if you could weigh in on the ability of a boat to flex and the ability of certain kinds of wood to swell with water. It also didnt say he couldnt use lard to seal the boat instead of pitch. I wonder if as a free spirited person with imagination, mankind would still have survived the flood along with the rest of the creation. we dont have to obey God,But aren't there are consequences if we don't?
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/531-jeremiah-7-31-does-silence-prohibit
https://www.christiancourier.com/ar...-the-scriptures-permissive-or-prohibitive-the
From the above link:
Will-Worship
In Paul’s letter to the saints at Colossae, he condemned the practice of “will-worship,” a disposition which is “after the precepts and doctrines of men” (Colossians 2:22-23). Vine defines will-worship as “voluntarily adopted worship, whether unbidden or forbidden” (1962, 236).
We have no difficulty in understanding what it means to do that which is “forbidden.” But what does it mean to do that which is “unbidden”—if it is not doing that about which the Bible is silent?
Noted lexicographer J. H. Thayer described will-worship as “worship which one devises and prescribes for himself” (1958, 168). Everett Harrison commented that “will-worship” is that which “is not prescribed by God but only by (the will of) man” (1971, 72).
Here is the issue: if one may, with divine approval, operate in the realm of silence, why can’t he “devise and prescribe for himself” whatever pleases him? And yet, it is this very thing being censured.
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/680-silence-argument-the
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So if i understand musical instruments are like witchcraft and not to be used in worship? and praise and worship singers with music are to be used by followers of Calvin, not of Jesus Christ? So wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it, and right is right if only a few do it commanded by Christ i.e Bible Authority?
Moses didn't write anything until after Israel fell into fatal musical idolatry of the Egyptian trinity represented by the golden calf or calveS. God sentenced them to captivity beyond Damascus (Amos 5:27) or beyond Babylon (Acts 7:43).
Moses BEGAN to record the sorry history of the Hebrew People: Genesis does not speak of the creation of the universe but of the Hebrew people who had been destroyed by the rise of the City States. The Sumerians can be dated to about c. BC 4000 and the record of the genealogies fits that date.
This was an inverted version of the Babylon Tablets which are very similar to what Moses wrote EXCEPT God really created the world and people so that HE could serve them: the Babylonians had a pattern very similar to the institutional mega church with a pyramid or ziggurat organization chart. No scholar failed to recognize the facts which you can never grasp with a P.hd in theology or "as a doctor of the Law who take away the key to knowledge.
Amos 5:23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols. Amos 5:24 But [instead of] let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream.
Amos 5:25 Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel?
No: God had not commanded sacrifices. However, the Israelites worshipped MOLOCH where the Levites were an old Infant burning priesthood in Egypt and in Jerusalem when they got a chance.
Amos 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.
Amos 5:27 Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts.
They worshipped the Starry host instead of the GOD OF HOSTS.
Acts 7:41 And they made a calf in those days,
and offered sacrifice unto the idol,
and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.
Acts 7:42 Then God turned,
and gave them up to worship the host of heaven;
as it is written in the book of the prophets,
O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices
by the space of forty years in the wilderness?
Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch,
and the star of your god Remphan,
figures which ye made to worship them:
and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
The Biblical evidence is that if you WORSHIP THE "STARS" (illustrous persons) with Musical Instruments God will transport you back to Babylon.You have observed that the invaders see worship as something that arouses some vacant hole in their souls. The End-Time same Babylon mother of harlots (Revelation 17) scheduled to be c. ad 2000 or the 6th day happened in peaceable Churches of Christ when the craftsmen, singers and instrument players INVADED and took over churches and split church families and confiscated their PROPERTY. This ended a roughly 2 decade "boiling the frogs" and intimidation to warn members and owners to GET OVER IT OR GET OUT.
Because Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon is the LEADER OF THE MUSES, why isn't it a fact that as the King over the Locusts (Muses in John's world) have been unleashed? The task of the Locust is to collectivize those with the Mark of the Beast but NOT harm those with the MARK of the WORD.
Moses BEGAN to record the sorry history of the Hebrew People: Genesis does not speak of the creation of the universe but of the Hebrew people who had been destroyed by the rise of the City States. The Sumerians can be dated to about c. BC 4000 and the record of the genealogies fits that date.
This was an inverted version of the Babylon Tablets which are very similar to what Moses wrote EXCEPT God really created the world and people so that HE could serve them: the Babylonians had a pattern very similar to the institutional mega church with a pyramid or ziggurat organization chart. No scholar failed to recognize the facts which you can never grasp with a P.hd in theology or "as a doctor of the Law who take away the key to knowledge.
"The triumphal hymn of Moses had unquestionably a religious character about it; but the employment of music in religious services, though idolatrous, is more distinctly marked in the festivities which attended the erection of the golden calf." (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Music, p. 589).
In the Amos version which defines the Samarian Temple
Amos 5:23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols. Amos 5:24 But [instead of] let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream.
Amos 5:25 Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel?
No: God had not commanded sacrifices. However, the Israelites worshipped MOLOCH where the Levites were an old Infant burning priesthood in Egypt and in Jerusalem when they got a chance.
Amos 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.
Amos 5:27 Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts.
They worshipped the Starry host instead of the GOD OF HOSTS.
Acts 7:41 And they made a calf in those days,
and offered sacrifice unto the idol,
and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.
Euphrainō , Ep. euphr-, fut. Att.155.12, Pi.I.7(6).3
Pind. I. 6 Just as we mix the second bowl of wine when the men's symposium is flourishing, here is the second song of the Muses for Lampon's children and their athletic victories: first in Nemea, Zeus, in your honor they received the choicest of garlands,
This is the Crooked Race we are warned to save ourselves FROM.
Pind. I. 7 In which of the local glories of the past, divinely blessed Thebe, did you most delight your spirit? Was it when you raised to eminence the one seated beside Demeter of the clashing bronze cymbals, flowing-haired [5] Dionysus? Or when you received, as a snow-shower of gold in the middle of the night, the greatest of the gods, when he stood in the doorway of Amphitryon, and then went in to the wife to beget Heracles?
Pind. I. 6 Just as we mix the second bowl of wine when the men's symposium is flourishing, here is the second song of the Muses for Lampon's children and their athletic victories: first in Nemea, Zeus, in your honor they received the choicest of garlands,
This is the Crooked Race we are warned to save ourselves FROM.
Pind. I. 7 In which of the local glories of the past, divinely blessed Thebe, did you most delight your spirit? Was it when you raised to eminence the one seated beside Demeter of the clashing bronze cymbals, flowing-haired [5] Dionysus? Or when you received, as a snow-shower of gold in the middle of the night, the greatest of the gods, when he stood in the doorway of Amphitryon, and then went in to the wife to beget Heracles?
Euphraino
Acts 7:42 Then God turned,
and gave them up to worship the host of heaven;
as it is written in the book of the prophets,
O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices
by the space of forty years in the wilderness?
Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch,
and the star of your god Remphan,
figures which ye made to worship them:
and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
The Biblical evidence is that if you WORSHIP THE "STARS" (illustrous persons) with Musical Instruments God will transport you back to Babylon.You have observed that the invaders see worship as something that arouses some vacant hole in their souls. The End-Time same Babylon mother of harlots (Revelation 17) scheduled to be c. ad 2000 or the 6th day happened in peaceable Churches of Christ when the craftsmen, singers and instrument players INVADED and took over churches and split church families and confiscated their PROPERTY. This ended a roughly 2 decade "boiling the frogs" and intimidation to warn members and owners to GET OVER IT OR GET OUT.
Because Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon is the LEADER OF THE MUSES, why isn't it a fact that as the King over the Locusts (Muses in John's world) have been unleashed? The task of the Locust is to collectivize those with the Mark of the Beast but NOT harm those with the MARK of the WORD.
K
I said the longest book which is in the OT and called Psalms. David appointed the sons of Korah to sing and play the instruments and David played the harp to subside the evil spirits of Saul. Music is the highest form of praise that's why Satan has perverted it so much. He was once the praise and worship leader.
K
No we are under grace not law.
Colossians 3:16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
and at the sound of the trump.
Colossians 3:16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
and at the sound of the trump.
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