Walk of faith ...not for the self-righteous

[RedTent]

. ]Then, if I am misunderstanding you why not work for understanding instead work to fight? I should think that would be worthwhile.

=eternally-gratefull;1490439]Yet you continue to misrepresent what we say. Don;t you ever get sick of this?
I showed you what the purpose of the law is, how does this say you are not saved..

This is answer to your saying cursed are those under law, my saying blessed is he who is saved by Christ.

He has many commands, The commands of the law were before and after the law. So why do you not look at his commands, and not the law, which is not even a copmplete list of his commands? when you do not need to

I say to read all scripture and you answer with that I am not looking at all his commands?

The law was given to lead us to Christ, that was its purpose. To try to use it for ANYTHING else is like using a math book to teach you english, It is worthless.

You say to use the law for anything else than to lead us to Christ is useless, I say many scriptures give many additional uses for the law, am I misunderstanding you?

This is what Paul kept trying to show you. But you are not listening to him.

If Paul says Rom 3:31 Do we then cancel the law through faith? Absolutely not! On the contrary, we uphold the law. Do you think Paul was saying that the only reason we have the law was to lead to Christ?

I am not talking about scripture. I am talking about the law. Many things were given which do not pertain to us today. Because their purpose has been fulfilled. Does that make the rest of scripture obsolite? /

QUOTE] Wouldn't these statements of yours say that any words that can be called law, even if it is in the bible, should not be considered biblical writing?

I have met Christ, I do however, wonder if you have.

I considered this judging me personally, yes.

 

[crossnote]

Paul's life under legalism..

Acts 26:9-12 I verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth.Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them.
And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them even unto strange cities.
Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,

Philippians 3:4-6 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.


Paul's life as a Christian..

2 Corinthians 11:22-30 Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.

Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.

Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.

Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;

In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;

In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.

Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.

Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not?

If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities.



And it all proves Paul's point...

Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

. ]Then, if I am misunderstanding you why not work for understanding instead work to fight? I should think that would be worthwhile.

I did, if you have a question, then why do you not ask, instead of always assuming and continually saying things which are not true.

This is answer to your saying cursed are those under law,

I did not say this.

God told moses this, Moses told the nation of Israel this, And paul told us this.

my saying blessed is he who is saved by Christ. I say to read all scripture and you answer with that I am not looking at all his commands?
You say to use the law for anything else than to lead us to Christ is useless, I say many scriptures give many additional uses for the law, am I misunderstanding you?

Paul said the ONLY purpose of the law was to bring us to Christ, Should I listen to paul or should I listen to you?

If Paul says Rom 3:31 Do we then cancel the law through faith? Absolutely not! On the contrary, we uphold the law. Do you think Paul was saying that the only reason we have the law was to lead to Christ?

Of course you establish the law through faith. The law brought you to faith, If your trying to get saved by the law. You have not established the law. You have misread what the law is.

did Paul lie??

Gal 3:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. [SUP]22 [/SUP]But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Paul did not contradict himself in romans did he?

Wouldn't these statements of yours say that any words that can be called law, even if it is in the bible, should not be considered biblical writing?
I considered this judging me personally, yes.

You should not. I am not judging you. I am just explaining what I see. about the words of God

 

[RedTent]

I did, if you have a question, then why do you not ask, instead of always assuming and continually saying things which are not true.
I did not say this.
God told moses this, Moses told the nation of Israel this, And paul told us this.

Paul said the ONLY purpose of the law was to bring us to Christ, Should I listen to paul or should I listen to you?

Of course you establish the law through faith. The law brought you to faith, If your trying to get saved by the law. You have not established the law. You have misread what the law is.

did Paul lie??

Gal 3:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. [SUP]22 [/SUP]But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Paul did not contradict himself in romans did he?

You should not. I am not judging you. I am just explaining what I see. about the words of God

Anytime one scripture disagrees with another, you can be sure that you are mixed up. It takes a humble seeking heart to find God's truths, and they cannot be found with a few pages of scripture. Once a mind gets stuck on one idea, like your mind is set on what you think God tells you about law, there is no way to clear it. By trying to reason with you, I am only making you more determined. I don't think you have ever once considered what I say except to disagree with it and for no other purpose. I simply give you a platform! I was so hoping that cc would be a place for scholars to reason together for each others benefit, using all scripture to reason. I am so disappointed.

I think the basic problem is your definition of law and Paul's definition is different. But there certainly is a problem, because if scripture is shown you, it still doesn't shake your interpretation one little bit. I am only giving you opportunity to lash out against what the bible says, and you quote bible to do it, of all things!!! Except for that one little phrase of the Lord's "It also says".

 

[seed_time_harvest]

What if a person just won't let go of the law? what are we suppose to do/say?

I'm sure they have read the NT where the bible says once the law is used as a teacher to lead us to CHRIST JESUS,
then the law has done its job and we are then no longer under the law but now we have access to the grace
JESUS provides through faith.

 

[crossnote]

What if a person just won't let go of the law? what are we suppose to do/say?

.

I suppose that is their choice. It becomes problematic when they attempt to push their scruples on others when Scripture clearly states as believers we are not under law, but under grace.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Anytime one scripture disagrees with another, you can be sure that you are mixed up. It takes a humble seeking heart to find God's truths, and they cannot be found with a few pages of scripture. Once a mind gets stuck on one idea, like your mind is set on what you think God tells you about law, there is no way to clear it. By trying to reason with you, I am only making you more determined. I don't think you have ever once considered what I say except to disagree with it and for no other purpose. I simply give you a platform! I was so hoping that cc would be a place for scholars to reason together for each others benefit, using all scripture to reason. I am so disappointed.

Why are you disappointed?

Of course scripture cannot contradict.

paul said the law was given to keep us in faith until Christ came. That when faith came, the law was fulfilled. That the law was a tutor to bring us to Christ (faith)

in rom 3. Paul said the law is established through faith. The same thing he said to the corinthian church,

there is no contradiction there, the contradiction is in what you think paul says in romans.

the only reason you would have to be dissapointed is because people can not look at scripture. and make what scripture clearly says and what you say come to equal terms?

I think the basic problem is your definition of law and Paul's definition is different.

No. I use pauls defenition of the law.

But there certainly is a problem, because if scripture is shown you, it still doesn't shake your interpretation one little bit. I am only giving you opportunity to lash out against what the bible says, and you quote bible to do it, of all things!!! Except for that one little phrase of the Lord's "It also says".

scripture is shown to you, and it still does not shake your interpretation.

I have shown you over and over what Paul said, It is not even my words, yet you are judging me for showing you what paul said.

so what should we do about this? listen to paul. or listen to you?

 

[crossnote]

Following the law legalistically has no spiritual power, but Crossnote!! You are taking that way over the line. The words of scripture has power, tremendous power, yet your teachings says that if it is words of law those words have no power in them. Like Christ told the demons when they tempted him "it also says".

Words have power! Holy Spirit has power! Our triune God has tremendous power! We must honor ALL of God.

The power is not in the Law though but rather in the GOSPEL!!!

Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

1 Corinthians 1:23-24 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

 

[CWJ]

Wow Cobus, thanks for real, on something you said, not all. until a few years ago i wouldn't claim to be a Christian, didn't feel i was worthy of such a label as a Christ like being, so i just labeled me as a believer. Well right now i really can't say i'm Christian, i want to be believe me. So for now i'll just keep believing, and wanting to be like Jesus, but until then i'm just a believer.

Hello Brother Don,

I don't understand. You say that you believe, yet you do not believe that you are a Christian. Would you please tell me what it is that you do believe?

I believe that Christ Jesus, now risen and glorified, is the Son of God. That He came to earth and died on the cross taking my sin upon Himself, He died that I might live. I believe that His sacrifice was all-sufficient to satisfy the holiness of God, and was accepted, as His resurrection to God's right hand testifies. As a result God was enabled to declare not guilty all who believed the gospel concerning His Son and trusted Him to receive them in His Name: for the price of sin had been paid. Praise God!

I believe that He has forgiven me all my sin, and that He has imputed His righteousness to me, in Christ Jesus. That He has accepted me in the Beloved, and declared me to be 'complete' in Christ Jesus. I believe that just as He raised the Lord Jesus Christ from the dead and lifted Him up to His right hand, that He will also raise me up to share in the resurrection life He has promised me, in Christ, on that day.

I believe this - do you? Then why don't you honour God by acknowledging also that 'in Christ' He sees you to be holy and without blame - without spot and blemish: not because of any merit of your own, but because of what Christ has done; and stop all this false humility, for it does not honour God. He is worthy of acknowledgement and praise for the mercy and grace that achieved this at such measureless cost.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[haz]

We are talking about the truths scripture talks of, why are we changing that to ways truth can be turned around?

Usually, the reason a human person enjoys pointing fingers and blaming for evil instead of pointing out what is good is that they are feeling guilty, so by judging others they don't feel so bad about themselves. Perhaps you could phrase this in another way so you don't set yourself up as a judge of others, but only a direction toward how to obey correctly.

Actually, scripture speaks of legalists setting themselves up as judge, example James 4:12.

We see 2 opposing sides debating on this forum.
1: preaching the gospel of grace.
AND
2: preaching a lukewarm mix of works of the law with grace.

Those preaching grace, preach love/forgiveness. And they warn of the sin that the world is convicted of, which is unbelief in Jesus, John 16:9.

BUT, the others who preach the lukewarm mix of works of the law with grace, they set themselves up as a judge when they preach judgement/condemnation for anyone who does not attain some minimum standard of works of the law.
This group are like that servant who the king forgave his debt, but then that servant immediately afterwards jailed a fellow servant for his outstanding debt.

 

[danalee]

Crossnote what is this what they SHOULD NOT DO... Use NOT their freedom FOR AN OCCASION TO THE FLESH? Can you tell me what these people do when they do use their freedom for AN OCCASION TO THE FLESH? What would they concider to be AN OCCASION TO THE FLESH?

For ye, brethren, were called for freedom; only use not your freedom for an occasion to the flesh, but through love be servants one to another.

If it is sin it is TRANSGRESSING THE LAW, for sin IS TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.

This is what I do NOT understand about Christianity taught by a sinner like you and many others. Remember I do not see myself worthy to be even considered a Christian. They teach you that you should not sin (but they stii do) and then thay say, Never mind you will always sin, but Jesus died for your sin, so you OK. Then they say... you are called to freedom, but use not your freedom for an occasion to the flesh, but the flesh is weak so it will ALWAY use the freedom for an accasion to the flesh.


Be holy but just know no one is holy. Be perfect but temember you cannot be perfect in flesh. And place you trust in God's grace and you wil lbe Ok. But remember you cannot do sin as you like, but the grace will cover it anyway! Oh i give you not permission to sin, but we are only human, we will sin until we die.


Man this confuse so many people... I only ask one thing. Does God save a person to be what God COMMAND him to be? Yes or no! If God commands more than what HE knows then people can obtain, Then God is a creepy person that I want NOTHING to do with. We been around this block enough now. Tell me can your Jesus KEEP His word? Will He EVER utter the nonsence these Christians utter? Like we should not sin, or should not continue to sin, but we cannot EVER stop. And the next moment they would say something STUPID like...In God's eyes we are all perfect. WOW!

I am not even God that can see your heart but I do witness how you CHEAT THE TAXMAN. And I do withness how you DO NOT PAY YOUR ACCOUNT to MY BUISINESS... You tellm e you are perfect in God's eyes but you owe me R600. And then you say on TV you are the head elder of the church. You drive a NEW 4X4 and own a NEW caravan, and your OWN home. Yet you owe me money. I am poor andsuffer to make ends meet with old car and no caravan and no property on my name. And you are Christian and I am satan. I cannot afford to take my son fishing 30 miles away, but you go overseas with your TWO boys, and you owe me money. And Sunday you sit in church and say... Praise Jesus He is my Lord, I am saved by His blood. Then you throw R500 in the collection sack, and I barely have food at home, but you are Chrisitan and I am satan.

I just do not understand how God's children has a licence to do what they want and me, ishould become Christian like them? I owe no man a penny, and still get by, even though the Christians owe me the money. Without flashy cars, churches, homes, holidays, caravans, friends, parties, new leases and vehicles, fancy clothes... etc etc. But you OWE ME money and you are going to heaven and I am going to hell becasue I believe NOT your Jesus. Well I DO NOT!


If Jesus takes ONE of these Chrisitans to heaven I do not want to go. I had enough of their CRAP here on earth. They talk Jesus but live sin. The claim heaven but cause hell. They shine on Sunday and STEAL on Monday. They live large with LOTS of money, but they owe ALL THE HEATHENS LIKE ME MONEY. Nope they can have heaven, I will rather go to hell.

Man do I dislike hypocrates that TWIST the word of God to JUSTIFY their wrongdoings. I really am so disgusted in Chrsitians, I really do not want to be one if that is how Chrisitans live. I know a man that read his KJV and then he owes so many people so much money, and I did repremand him the other day. I told him. I read the Bible, and I LOVE the Word of God, but your lifestyle is NOT one of a Christian in the Bible. It is more satan than ANY man in the Bible. I know I judge you now, but you make me SICK. Do NOT tell me you read the Bible. If you DO the Bible come back. If you do not make a fire and burn the book, it is of NO USE for you then.


Oh peopel is so quick to say I judge them, and I do. I judge them with the WORD OF GOD! And so do I judge myself too. So I already judge with ONE MEASURNG STICK... JESUS is the measure. If I am less than Jesus, and I tell you I am. Do NOT pretend to be holier than thou....I will nail your hypocracy. I do NOT preach law, or grace and faith. I preach God at work and HIS FINISHED product. People raped grace and faith to a excuse to justify sin. God's faith and love IS TO KEEP THE LAW. how is a thing you do not uderstand, becasue you believe not that it is GOD HIMSELF that lives in you that KEEP THE LAW. You do not believe in PERFECTION. but that is EXACTLY what God does IN US. God is the PERFECTOR in ALL FLESH.

God HIMSELF comes into us to live a PERFECT life IN US HERE ON EARTH. And it is through REPENTANCE on your part (also a gift of God) and the FILLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT at the END of repentance, that GOD LIVES IN US. PERFECTLY.

Grace and faith only produce ONE PRODUCT.... CHRSIT JESUS N FLESH. Born of GOD! Every person that God took thru grace with faith is a FULL MEASURE OF CHRSIT JESUS HIMELF... the measure of JUDGEMENT God judges with. 1 John says we do not know what we will be like, but we know that if He comes we will be like him... And that God did here on earth.

God makes us LIKE HIM here on earth! Now what is Jesus LIKE? Is he perfect...Yes... Is He absolutely holy... YES! Well that is what God does here on earth to all people he saves... RIGHT HERE N EARTH...

Cobus, I was trying really hard to follow you but if I may, I wanted to say that we can all point out the sorry state all of us are in. If you are poor in Christ, you will be rich in his kingdom.

Crossnote shouldn't have to answer for all of Christiandom. My goodness.

 

[Cobus]

Danalee, actually he does. If Crossnote is Christian and his mates also Chritian are they not ONE BODY? And if they are then the WHOLE Body is responsible for ALL of the Body.... Why do you think GOd says if you hand sin CHOP IT OFF... If your eye sin DIG IT OUT.

This is my whole message in that long post DANLEE... God keeps HIS BODY PERFECT! Why do Christians not do the same? If your brother sin against yuo Go and REBUKE him. If he does it again, take two or three with you and rebuke him again. If hedoes it again, rebuke him in front of the WHOLE CHURCH... the whole BODY. If he does it again, THROW HIM OUT OF THE BODY and let him be like a HEATHEN to you. NO MORE BROTHER... Who was these indtructions for? Danalee who is the people that should do this?

No I believe and God teach this... Christians are ALL responsible for the BODY they represent. Should they not be CHRIST-LIKE? I have to answer for whom I represent. And HE, the ONE I represent has to WITNESS WITH ME THAT I AM HIS REPRESENTAION... We cannot all represent our own little GODS. You either ARE Chrsitian and God's disciple, or you are NOT! If you are God's disciple then you are a FOLLOWER of Jesus nad if you FOLLOW Jesus, you OUGHT TO WALK LIKE HE DOES... 1 JOhn1 and read this please...

If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Where is these CLEANSED ones tha twalk in the lightand have FELLOWSHIP WITH HIM? See FELLOWSHIP... SAME PEOPLE SAME MOVES SAME MIND SAME ACTIONS SAME GOALS SAME WITNESS SAME CLEANESS SAME GOD SAME OBEDIENCE,,, That is FELLOWSHIP.

I will GLADLY answer for EVERY person in my group... GLADLY!You see we are ALL under the HEAD of our Church and HE IS PERFECT and so is HIS BODY!
PERFECT AND WITHOUT SPOT OR WRINKLE you see ALL BALME COMING IN AGAINST THIS CHURCH IS FALSE!

All blame against the church of Jesus is FALSE! And if blame agaisnt your church is NOT false then the WHOLE church must answer. ALL of them must answer for ALL OF THEM. Why do you as Chrisitans do not KNOW THIS?

 

[crossnote]

Danalee, actually he does. If Crossnote is Christian and his mates also Chritian are they not ONE BODY?

Cobus,
You rang? How 'bout you, aren't you also part of that ONE Body?

 

[danalee]

Danalee, actually he does. If Crossnote is Christian and his mates also Chritian are they not ONE BODY? And if they are then the WHOLE Body is responsible for ALL of the Body.... Why do you think GOd says if you hand sin CHOP IT OFF... If your eye sin DIG IT OUT.

This is my whole message in that long post DANLEE... God keeps HIS BODY PERFECT! Why do Christians not do the same? If your brother sin against yuo Go and REBUKE him. If he does it again, take two or three with you and rebuke him again. If hedoes it again, rebuke him in front of the WHOLE CHURCH... the whole BODY. If he does it again, THROW HIM OUT OF THE BODY and let him be like a HEATHEN to you. NO MORE BROTHER... Who was these indtructions for? Danalee who is the people that should do this?

No I believe and God teach this... Christians are ALL responsible for the BODY they represent. Should they not be CHRIST-LIKE? I have to answer for whom I represent. And HE, the ONE I represent has to WITNESS WITH ME THAT I AM HIS REPRESENTAION... We cannot all represent our own little GODS. You either ARE Chrsitian and God's disciple, or you are NOT! If you are God's disciple then you are a FOLLOWER of Jesus nad if you FOLLOW Jesus, you OUGHT TO WALK LIKE HE DOES... 1 JOhn1 and read this please...

If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Where is these CLEANSED ones tha twalk in the lightand have FELLOWSHIP WITH HIM? See FELLOWSHIP... SAME PEOPLE SAME MOVES SAME MIND SAME ACTIONS SAME GOALS SAME WITNESS SAME CLEANESS SAME GOD SAME OBEDIENCE,,, That is FELLOWSHIP.

I will GLADLY answer for EVERY person in my group... GLADLY!You see we are ALL under the HEAD of our Church and HE IS PERFECT and so is HIS BODY!
PERFECT AND WITHOUT SPOT OR WRINKLE you see ALL BALME COMING IN AGAINST THIS CHURCH IS FALSE!

All blame against the church of Jesus is FALSE! And if blame agaisnt your church is NOT false then the WHOLE church must answer. ALL of them must answer for ALL OF THEM. Why do you as Chrisitans do not KNOW THIS?

What exactly did he say that was so offensive? Maybe you two have an ongoing issue I'm not aware of. But I find it really hard to believe that you or anyone else is perfect in your church. I'm lost on that message. I just realized I made a mistake in posting to you. I don't think we have much to offer each other. My apologies. Have a nice night.

 

[oldthennew]

cobus stated,

"Danalee, actually he does. IF Crossnote is Christian and his mates also Chritian are they not ONE BODY?"


this statement is very similar to:

Matthew 4:3. - Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, IF You are The Son of God...
4:6. - and said to Him, IF You are The Son of God,....

we are to pattern our 'speech' after Christ, when we pattern our speech after satan,
then, who is our master???

my wife and myself are new to this forum, and it became evident to us
from the very beginning, that Crossnote and some others displayed and shared a
grace and tolerance in their Love for Jesus Christ.

coming into the unity of the brethren comes about in a process of time,
each different according to personal Spiritual growth.

disagreeing in grace is a mark of Spiritual maturity.
agreeing is grace, is like the ointment on Aaron's beard.

let us take pause when we feel we need to drive the merchants
out of the temple, because, the worthiness this requires is
to equate yourself with Christ.
so, let us take heed, lest we think of ourselves above what and where we are.

 

[Zinzerio]

to the op

walking by righteousness is also walking by faith,, when one builds there faith one can build up there righteousness,, and when one becomes strong in faith one becomes strong in righteousness ,, if i am self righteous because of this i except he title thank you

 

[dcontroversal]

Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—
(Gal 3:3-5)

I agree and will add....Seems to be a lot of people do not understand this truth as found in Galatians.....works added to Jesus for salvation and or to keep salvation is heretical and contrary to the truth...we began in the spirit and we are/will be made complete in the spirit....it has nothing to do with fleshly works that men can do or will do....double cursed to hell!

 

[dcontroversal]

Actually, scripture speaks of legalists setting themselves up as judge, example James 4:12.

We see 2 opposing sides debating on this forum.
1: preaching the gospel of grace.
AND
2: preaching a lukewarm mix of works of the law with grace.

Those preaching grace, preach love/forgiveness. And they warn of the sin that the world is convicted of, which is unbelief in Jesus, John 16:9.

BUT, the others who preach the lukewarm mix of works of the law with grace, they set themselves up as a judge when they preach judgement/condemnation for anyone who does not attain some minimum standard of works of the law.
This group are like that servant who the king forgave his debt, but then that servant immediately afterwards jailed a fellow servant for his outstanding debt.

AMEN and I agree.....works plus Jesus for salvation or to keep salvation =HELL/Lake of Fire

 

[crossnote]

to the op

walking by righteousness is also walking by faith,, when one builds there faith one can build up there righteousness,, and when one becomes strong in faith one becomes strong in righteousness ,, if i am self righteous because of this i except he title thank you

I agree, the fruit of righteousess comes through faith in Christ Jesus.

 

[Zinzerio]

One must step into Jesus not out of Jesus,,when we step into Jesus how can one be self righteous because Jesus-es word is controlling my mind set, Jesus is righteous and all of Jesus es word is righteous,, so when i hear something like,, that is not righteous like no man can go without sinning well that is because you personally have stepped out of Jesus.. If your born again you have the seed in you and you have sinned that is because you did not have his word at the time that is why you sinned, you stepped out and walked in the flesh,, some step in for longer some don't,, that's it...many bad doctrines about righteousness and about the flesh controlling the spirit,, all rubbish complete and utter rubbish,,, if you walk in the flesh you sin,, if you walk in the spirit you do not,, how can you sin if your walking in the spirit,,,
the doctrine about its ok to sin,, it is not ok to sin that is what you call a weekend faith or a one day a week faith,,
so many scriptures twisted and badly indoctrinated there ever where,, where not under the law is a twisted doctrine that has no solid foundation all people is argue on that one ,, the only solid foundation that i know off where one can not slip up is the one that Jesus says sin no more,, you can not slip up from that doctrine,,