Do We Even Care About the TRUTH?
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This is an easy way for someone who wants to be right to dismiss all ideas to the contrary. It's a form of gas-lighting, which is deceptive.
Perhaps you believe the encyclopedia:
"Like many other Christian feasts, the celebration of Easter contains a number of originally pagan or folk-religious elements tolerated by the Church. Among these are customs associated with the Easter egg, Easter breads and other special holiday foods, and the European concept of the Easter hare, or, in America, of the Easter rabbit, which brings baskets of candies and colored eggs during the night."
The pagan roots of Easter involve the spring festivals of pre-Christian Europe and the Near East, which celebrate the rebirth of vegetation, welcoming the growing light as the sun becomes more powerful in its course toward summer. It is significant that in England and Germany the Church accepted the name of the pagan goddess "Easter" (Anglo-Saxon Eostra —her name has several spellings) for this new Christian holiday. In Mediterranean Europe (Italy, Spain, and France), Christianity adopted pascha, a word derivative of Passover, from which comes the adjective "paschal" for things pertaining to Easter, such as the Paschal Lamb."
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Easter.aspx
Also, I'm not too worried about the Pagans offense. They can kick rocks. I'm not here to please them. However, this out of one of their own mouths:
Easter history : holiday traditions and their origins, from the goddess Ishtar(Inanna)to the Easter Bunny.
Another one:
Easter history : holiday traditions and their origins, from the goddess Ishtar(Inanna)to the Easter Bunny.
Everything about Passover is about your Messiah. Everything about Easter is ham, pretty eggs, and bunny rabbits, all pagan ideals, whether it's directly related to the goddess Ishtar or not. How does whatever her name is somehow change the paganism of the rituals which are being committed? What are you defending, exactly?
Here's an excerpt from a very good book: EASTER ISHTAR EOSTRE ASTARA
Perhaps you believe the encyclopedia:
"Like many other Christian feasts, the celebration of Easter contains a number of originally pagan or folk-religious elements tolerated by the Church. Among these are customs associated with the Easter egg, Easter breads and other special holiday foods, and the European concept of the Easter hare, or, in America, of the Easter rabbit, which brings baskets of candies and colored eggs during the night."
The pagan roots of Easter involve the spring festivals of pre-Christian Europe and the Near East, which celebrate the rebirth of vegetation, welcoming the growing light as the sun becomes more powerful in its course toward summer. It is significant that in England and Germany the Church accepted the name of the pagan goddess "Easter" (Anglo-Saxon Eostra —her name has several spellings) for this new Christian holiday. In Mediterranean Europe (Italy, Spain, and France), Christianity adopted pascha, a word derivative of Passover, from which comes the adjective "paschal" for things pertaining to Easter, such as the Paschal Lamb."
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Easter.aspx
Also, I'm not too worried about the Pagans offense. They can kick rocks. I'm not here to please them. However, this out of one of their own mouths:
Easter history : holiday traditions and their origins, from the goddess Ishtar(Inanna)to the Easter Bunny.
Another one:
Easter history : holiday traditions and their origins, from the goddess Ishtar(Inanna)to the Easter Bunny.
Everything about Passover is about your Messiah. Everything about Easter is ham, pretty eggs, and bunny rabbits, all pagan ideals, whether it's directly related to the goddess Ishtar or not. How does whatever her name is somehow change the paganism of the rituals which are being committed? What are you defending, exactly?
Here's an excerpt from a very good book: EASTER ISHTAR EOSTRE ASTARA
K
It just seems like a big joke to some "Christians", that even when they are shown the lies that the adversary has cleverly substituted for Yahwey's Words and truth, they find every excuse under the sun to continue allowing themselves to cater to Satan. That's what it boils down to, a choice of who we serve.
I believe it was the late CS Lewis who said, "..every moment in time is claimed by either Satan or God." (paraphrasing)
I believe it was the late CS Lewis who said, "..every moment in time is claimed by either Satan or God." (paraphrasing)
N
Very well said! My sentiments exactly. Santa comes to our church's Christmas Party and tells the story of the baby Jesus. We hold a Halloween Carnival every year, and we call it a HALLOWEEN CARNIVAL. You can dress up as anything you want. And this brings people to our church. While we hand out candy and play games and serve hot dogs and chili we also hand out information about our church, and people that attend the carnival come to church and have found Christ.
We refer to Easter as Resurrection Sunday but on Saturday we have Kid's Day with an egg hunt, crafts, a barbeque and the telling of Christ's Resurrection. Every child goes home with a book about the resurrection, a coloring book about Jesus and all the crafts they made. And they come to church on Sunday. We had a family give their lives to Christ yesterday and baptize their 4 yr. old daughter.
Praise God!!!
Yahchanan (John) 4:24, "Yahweh is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth."
Yeremyah 7:9-11, "Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, vow falsely, burn incense to Baal follow hinder gods you know nothing of, And then come and stand before Me in this House upon which My Name is called, and say; We are saved! Saved to do all these abominations? Has this House, which is called with My Name, become a den of thieves in your eyes? Behold, I, even I, have seen this! says Yahweh."
Deuteronomy 12:3, "You must destroy their altars, break down their sacred pillars and burn their sacred poles. Cut down the images of their gods and wipe out their names from those places. You must not worship Yahweh your Father in such ways."
Yeremyah 7:9-11, "Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, vow falsely, burn incense to Baal follow hinder gods you know nothing of, And then come and stand before Me in this House upon which My Name is called, and say; We are saved! Saved to do all these abominations? Has this House, which is called with My Name, become a den of thieves in your eyes? Behold, I, even I, have seen this! says Yahweh."
Deuteronomy 12:3, "You must destroy their altars, break down their sacred pillars and burn their sacred poles. Cut down the images of their gods and wipe out their names from those places. You must not worship Yahweh your Father in such ways."
R
your quotation is from a food encyclopedia...historical accuracy is not their primary concern...save it for the next debate about eating raw cookie dough...
and your links to pagan sources just show that there are pagans who are just as misinformed about their religions as you are about yours...
there is nothing pagan about ham...God made pigs...
there is nothing pagan about eggs...God made birds that lay eggs...
there is nothing pagan about rabbits...God made rabbits...
i am defending a purely christian holiday and those who celebrate it from lovers of lies like yourself...
and your links to pagan sources just show that there are pagans who are just as misinformed about their religions as you are about yours...
there is nothing pagan about ham...God made pigs...
there is nothing pagan about eggs...God made birds that lay eggs...
there is nothing pagan about rabbits...God made rabbits...
i am defending a purely christian holiday and those who celebrate it from lovers of lies like yourself...
R
this does not establish that the word 'easter' comes from the name of a pagan goddess...all this proves is that bede -thought- that it was derived from the name of a pagan goddess...
and i should point out again that bede himself admitted that he hadn't observed 'eostre' worship himself...and only knew of it through hearsay...
and i should point out again that bede himself admitted that he hadn't observed 'eostre' worship himself...and only knew of it through hearsay...
K
The Theory of Evolution is perhaps one of Satan's greatest accomplishments. Even if one does indeed believe in Creation, through so called "learning institutions" there are principals of "evolving" that distort truth. It must be so, for how does one embrace so many added rituals apart from God's Word? As if truth once delivered to the saints is incomplete, and man must constantly be fluffing it, revising it, reforming it.......adding to it....
Here is an illustration that helps make my point:
My husband is today making a music CD for his childhood friend. They were next door neighbors, spent lots of time together, they know each others likes and dislikes. He has mentioned several songs he included that he personally did not like, however his friend loved them. Why did he include them, he don't think they are so special and does not see why his friend would, but his friend does, and that is enough.
Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
"Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, 'The LORD'S appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations-- My appointed times are these:
[h=3]Malachi 3:6[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
[h=3]Numbers 23:19[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Here is an illustration that helps make my point:
My husband is today making a music CD for his childhood friend. They were next door neighbors, spent lots of time together, they know each others likes and dislikes. He has mentioned several songs he included that he personally did not like, however his friend loved them. Why did he include them, he don't think they are so special and does not see why his friend would, but his friend does, and that is enough.
Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
"Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, 'The LORD'S appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations-- My appointed times are these:
[h=3]Malachi 3:6[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
[h=3]Numbers 23:19[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
D
Ohh, ok.....
Easter/Ishtar just so happen to have eggs and bunnies at the same time of year, both dying the eggs, nope nothing to see here!
Not to be rude Mr. Tintin, but your post is a perfect example.
No, most dont care for truth.
2 Kings 17:33-34, "They were taught how they might worship Yahweh, but instead they worshiped their own gods according to the customs of the nations from which they had been brought. To this day, they continue to practice their former pagan customs. They do not reverence Yahweh, nor do they follow the statutes, ordinances, Laws, and commandments which Yahweh had commanded the children of Yaaqob, whom He named Israyl."
Easter/Ishtar just so happen to have eggs and bunnies at the same time of year, both dying the eggs, nope nothing to see here!
Not to be rude Mr. Tintin, but your post is a perfect example.
No, most dont care for truth.
2 Kings 17:33-34, "They were taught how they might worship Yahweh, but instead they worshiped their own gods according to the customs of the nations from which they had been brought. To this day, they continue to practice their former pagan customs. They do not reverence Yahweh, nor do they follow the statutes, ordinances, Laws, and commandments which Yahweh had commanded the children of Yaaqob, whom He named Israyl."
Thanks for enlightening though. Ishtar is a very common deity being worshipped now along with Isis.
K
I might get disciplined for this, but y'all some stupid people. If I pray and ask God to bless my food and make it nourishment to my body. Do I have any reason to believe that He will not. I meant, with all things moderation and yes if you eat 10 snickers in an hours time you probably gonna get sick. the question is where is your faith and what is it placed in? I meant, get a grip.
D
Oh good. I like this topic. 
Evolution has already been debunked by some very classy scientists and some who spent their lives and fortunes in it.
The hard hit came during the beginning of the last century when someone discovered a plethora of fossils in Canada called the Burgess shale. The director of the Smithsonian kept these fossils hidden, because he knew it would be VERY unpopular among his peers. Then, instead of scientists admitting the fact he hid them, they will say things like this:
"it was not until the late 1960s—almost forty years after Walcott’s death—that paleontologists began to reconsider Walcott’s Burgess Shale classifications."
I'm not sure the exact date, but it probably wasn't until the sixties that anyone even knew about the fossils he collected.
Here's a quote from a PDF I can't seem to copy, but it's pretty cool stuff:
"Several Burgess animals including the multiple-stilt-walking Hallucigenia (probably because they started hallucinating when they realized how wrong they were) were distinct oddballs, weird wonders not clearly related to any phylum of living animals."
The Cambrian explosion concludes that evolution is very far off the mark. And now I'm seeing that more evidence of this is being DELETED off the internet...or so it seems by me after now re-researching it.
Here is something wild: the Earth has a resonant frequency that flutters in the morning like birds chirping. In fact, the birds imitate this hidden frequency. God conducts his choir.
And also, there has been evidence, and now I am failing to find these studies, that things like the four leaf clover appear more when the resonant frequencies of the planet change. I mean, in all likelihood evolution will prove to be completely and entirely wrong. God is indeed in control of the movement of life in this planet - and just how, we won't know. But I wanted to pose another option so people could see that there isn't just one train of thought out there. But there it is looking like a conspiracy to conceal anything but evolution.
Evolution has already been debunked by some very classy scientists and some who spent their lives and fortunes in it.
The hard hit came during the beginning of the last century when someone discovered a plethora of fossils in Canada called the Burgess shale. The director of the Smithsonian kept these fossils hidden, because he knew it would be VERY unpopular among his peers. Then, instead of scientists admitting the fact he hid them, they will say things like this:
"it was not until the late 1960s—almost forty years after Walcott’s death—that paleontologists began to reconsider Walcott’s Burgess Shale classifications."
I'm not sure the exact date, but it probably wasn't until the sixties that anyone even knew about the fossils he collected.
Here's a quote from a PDF I can't seem to copy, but it's pretty cool stuff:
"Several Burgess animals including the multiple-stilt-walking Hallucigenia (probably because they started hallucinating when they realized how wrong they were) were distinct oddballs, weird wonders not clearly related to any phylum of living animals."
The Cambrian explosion concludes that evolution is very far off the mark. And now I'm seeing that more evidence of this is being DELETED off the internet...or so it seems by me after now re-researching it.
Here is something wild: the Earth has a resonant frequency that flutters in the morning like birds chirping. In fact, the birds imitate this hidden frequency. God conducts his choir.
And also, there has been evidence, and now I am failing to find these studies, that things like the four leaf clover appear more when the resonant frequencies of the planet change. I mean, in all likelihood evolution will prove to be completely and entirely wrong. God is indeed in control of the movement of life in this planet - and just how, we won't know. But I wanted to pose another option so people could see that there isn't just one train of thought out there. But there it is looking like a conspiracy to conceal anything but evolution.
There was a time when Jesus entered the temple and, angry at the buying and selling going on in them, He made a whip and the rest of the story is history. If He was to come into much of Christian anything today, it would be the exact same thing. I've skimmed through some of the posts on this thread and just want to encourage all of you who already know the truth (which is that Christian holidays tend to be mixed with paganism) to just stand on it and only contend on behalf of those who don't know or are confused and not to waste time arguing with people who contradict the facts. I'm willing to bet that there are few seminaries or Bible schools that teach that the symbols used for Easter are NOT pagan. From experience, I know that wolves infiltrate Christian circles, sometimes sent and sometimes alone. There will also be people on this site who's intention is to spread and promote lies and contradict the Word and the truth, all the while claiming to be Christians or professionals (pastors, seminary students, etc.). When apparent truths come under fire, something is very wrong.
Your argument is INCREDIBLY lacking. God made satan too; should we befriend him. God made unbelievers; should we remain unbelieving. God made poison ivy; should we eat it. The Bible says to have nothing to do with things that are defiled or that have been paganized; where are rabbits and eggs mentioned at the time of Jesus' death. Which article, book, or writing that says that the symbols used for Easter are rooted in paganism are you willing to believe. Who are you trying to convince, and where are you coming from. What Bible did you study, and who is it that you serve. Is everything good for us just because God created everything. Instead of defending a Christian holiday, what about defending the truth. Studying the Bible never made anyone wise; but "the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." Defend truth; you may not appear smart to some people, but you will be.
P
Allin;1498864.............. (which is that Christian holidays tend to be mixed with paganism) ...........[/QUOTE said:
How about that, we agree on something.
Brings to mind a discussion I had with a friend a few years back. He is a member of "The Church of God" here in Shawnee. Every year, for as long as I can remember, they have sold pumpkins before halloween. I mean a lot of them. Our conversation turned to that, and I expressed my disappointment that they do it. His reaction was: "Phil do you know how many dollars they make each year doing that? We can do all kinds of things with that money."
I said, "Tell 'em to open a bar, there is even more profit in that!"
People are going to justify their particular sin. Paul said "set aside every weight, and the sin that doth so easily beset us"....Most don't realize he was talking to them, not just the guy standing next to them.
Brings to mind a discussion I had with a friend a few years back. He is a member of "The Church of God" here in Shawnee. Every year, for as long as I can remember, they have sold pumpkins before halloween. I mean a lot of them. Our conversation turned to that, and I expressed my disappointment that they do it. His reaction was: "Phil do you know how many dollars they make each year doing that? We can do all kinds of things with that money."
I said, "Tell 'em to open a bar, there is even more profit in that!"
People are going to justify their particular sin. Paul said "set aside every weight, and the sin that doth so easily beset us"....Most don't realize he was talking to them, not just the guy standing next to them.
We agree on a lot of things. It's just that relationships have to be important along with truth so we are open when we address each other. People come from different places; it's important to be willing to hear them out. If Rachel responds, I'm going to try to see where she's coming from. If I have nothing to offer, I won't push it. Life isn't about who's right or wrong. And yes, the logic of the guy in your story is right on. Some people are more conservative; others more liberal, etc. Truth pushers tend to need a kind word of correction and don't respond well to strong correction; compromisingly merciful people need a strong word and can't seem to grasp change when approached with kindness. Finding how to reach each person is important if we'll get along.