Do We Even Care About the TRUTH?

[Karraster]

It's interesting that Paul said Christians were not to pass judgement upon one another due to differences in observing special days and feasts and yet we still continue to pass judgement upon one another for those very reasons.

In Romans 1 Paul expands his teaching on paganism.. "They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator" (Rom 1:25).

Was Paul passing judgement?

 

[skipp]

In Romans 1 Paul expands his teaching on paganism.. "They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator" (Rom 1:25).

Was Paul passing judgement?

Yes, he was passing judgement upon pagans for worshipping idols. Not on Christians for setting aside a day to celebrate the Resurrection of The Lord. Surely you can see the difference. He said not to let anyone judge you in regard to religious festivals. These are but "shadows".

 

[danalee]

It's encouraging to see this thread and posts like that from oldthennew, etc. We've become lax in a lot of things. While laziness is to be expected, it doesn't have any good consequences. The Bible makes it clear that God's people go into captivity and are in bondage of many kinds because we lack knowledge or don't know what we're supposed to know. When Jesus told the Jews that those who continue in (DO) His Word will know the truth and will therefore experience from from bondage, they immediately defended that they'd never been in bondage (Jn. 8). Not only had that been slaves to many nations before, but they were slaves to Rome at that very moment! This is a problem very specific to God's people: Christians carry on the legacy, saying that all our bondage was in the past and not present; but bondage of various levels is the consequence of any kind of sin or part, purposely or not, in paganism or the occult. Though God does look on the heart and can excuse the ignorant and innocent, the consequences for sin and error remain in effect.

All involvement in paganism and the occult, knowingly or unknowingly, has bad consequences. There are lots of ways to have innocent fun; Christians can even make up new holidays simply to get together and celebrate. Holidays don't have to have religious or other meaning or symbolism; they can be just for celebration. Some people will listen to these types of warnings and some won't; but the proof is in the pudding whether or not it's at first evident.

Well here again, satan has taken all of God's goodness and turned it against the people. Many of God's lovely creation have been plagiarized and used for nefarious purposes. What matters is the 'intent' in the heart when considering a symbol or tradition. So just by one looking at a pyramid or a single left eye won't necessarily cause your children to worship satan. But if you start buying products because of these influences it is indeed worshipping at the alter of a false god.

Magic uses symbols in an order that alerts the subconscious brain. It is mind control, essentially. Like the brain sees red and an alert is raised. People have gotten very good at this, it's called advertising. And really, the whole world is in a state of confusion. We have people dedicated to the full time deception of other people so they can control where the dollars fly.

In one sense, I think there is danger in raising too much of an alarm over this sort of thing because that is fear mongering which is also worshipping at the alter of a false god.

What is reasonable? Will your children grow up normally if they walk around telling other kids they are worshipping satan when they eat an Easter egg? Probably not. Teach them these things and we can all decide when we are removed from our comfort zone and closer to things not of God. If you held the hand of Jesus, you could walk through hell and be unharmed.

 

[Karraster]

Yes, he was passing judgement upon pagans for worshipping idols. Not on Christians for setting aside a day to celebrate the Resurrection of The Lord. Surely you can see the difference. He said not to let anyone judge you in regard to religious festivals. These are but "shadows".[/QUOTE

It means the exact opposite to how your are using it. Paul did not advocate anyone pretentiously worshiping God however they choose once they had learned the truth. He was speaking to former pagan idolators who had converted, and it was encouragement to them not to let the unbelievers judge them.

 

[danalee]

I may not know everything, but there are a couple of things that I do know.

God isn't condemning His children for not diving into the Strong's Concordance. I thank my God that the Lord has revealed to babes and kept from the eyes of the wise. Even so, it is His will.

God isn't condemning those who don't worship on the seventh day of the week. The seventh day we have today is not the same seventh day which God sanctified at any rate! Good luck finding out which day that should actually fall upon. You worship God according to the Gregorian calendar. Somehow I think God's calendar is more important.

God isn't afraid of pagans. Pagans are afraid of God.

God has wrought beautiful works in me and RESTORED me since I dropped the seventh day nonsense. God certainly made it a point to me that Jesus Christ is my rest and that He would have none of that respecting the day stuff. I was thrown into God's prison on account of such distraction. And though I had recognized finally, and heard His words, that there IS NO PHYSICAL REST ON ANY DAY, He kept me in prison until I should be sure. He didn't release me until I stopped condemning all things, until I stopped being hateful, until I stopped being boastful, and arrogant, foolish, high-minded, unloving, ungraceful, and judgmental. The Lord saw fit to make sure, because He loves me and wants to keep me, that I understood that I needed to suffer all manner of people, and to love all people, and to eat with all people, regardless of whatever seemed to be wrong. The Lord is not revealed in hiding, but in the open. The Lord is revealed in our hearts, but our character reveals Him. Rather, His character is revealed through us. Therefore, what point is there in saying, "I will respect this day, and I will not respect that day, and further, I will not respect people who respect another day other than mine." What?! Do you not realize that even upon the Sabbath, which is for now unknown to us, people perform the work of dying in horrible misery? Do you not realize that even upon the Sabbath, the beavers dam the rivers, and the birds form their nests? And has God condemned them? Upon the Sabbath, the grass grows. Does it stop? And it rains. And it snows. And we pull our sheep out of the holes. Did not the Lord say, to whom you say you listen, "Therefore it is lawful to do well on the Sabbath day."? Don't you think we should be doing well EVERY SINGLE DAY? Is it lawful to NOT do well on any day? What day have you appointed for yourself to sin?

So therefore, we are free everyday. We must be, or either that, we should not survive.

The irony is that those who adhere to the seventh day policy of performing no physical work are those who are not only trapped from doing God's will, but the same are also sinning on that day. For many things may be done that are well to do that people refuse because of their silliness.

"I will not help you move that couch. I'm sorry, it's my sabbath day."

"I will not prepare that food for you. I'm sorry, it's my sabbath day."

"I will not bless those that work on this day, neither pray for them, for it's my sabbath day."

Will you pay their bills? Will you feed them? Will you ensure their health and safety? I know the Lord will. But is that how you think? Are we not also to perform these things? Does the Lord not work through us? Who says, "The Lord will provide." And then walks away?

For if the Spirit of the Lord is in us, then the Lord provides through us.

Now the Lord provides also not through us. But then if we are not to be conduits as well for the work of God, then what is the point in the powerful demand to love? If it is not within us, why command it?

As well, you know the command of the Lord is power. The command of the Lord IS the Holy Spirit. So then, when the Lord commands something, does it not happen? The Lord's Word is the most powerful force, the only true force. So then, will it not happen? Can you fight against it?

SO when the Lord says, "Go and sin no more." Do you think He was making a request? What? No. He commands with His Word. When He speaks, IT HAPPENS.

Now you say, "But what if I sin again?" And what is sin to you? Have you not read how ALL THINGS ARE LAWFUL, BUT NOT ALL THINGS ARE EXPEDIENT.

God does not consider sin by what is expedient, but by what is lawful. As well, the Lord has made it illegal to not love. The Lord has made it illegal to cast stumbling blocks. The Lord has made it illegal to rely upon your own understanding. And yet still, the Lord has said that all things are lawful. Therefore, are you sinning? IF you think it is sin, then to you it is sin. But if you do not, then who can convince you of it?

The Lord gave us power, by His Spirit, over our own judgment! Have you missed this?

We are judged according to OUR SELVES.

IF we go the way that we think we should not go, THAT is sin.

But if we go the way that we think we should go, is that sin?

Now the Lord has said that there is a way that seems right to a man, and yet the ways thereof are the paths to Hell.

But what seems right to you does not imply that it is what you know is right.

Have you not caught yourself thinking, "Now, I know I should do this thing. But it seems like if I do this other thing, that will be better. IT seems more right. But I think I know I should do this other thing. I will do what seems reasonable because it makes more sense. But somehow I cannot shake knowing that the other thing is right. I wonder why?"

But the conscience is seared.

I caught myself the other day cutting a piece of wood. Now I knew this piece of wood needed to be shorter. I memorized the mark I needed to cut because I was being impatient. Now it seemed to me that I got the mark right. I measured it with my fingers. It was right by all means. But God kept telling me, "Measure it. Measure it... Measure it....!" And He shut off the basement power, and caused me to plug in the wrong cord, and caused me to question myself. And yet I was SURE that I was right. I didn't understand the interference.

Guess what.

The wood was cut too short because I didn't measure it perfectly.

Usually I'm really good at seeing these things, but this time I was wrong.

And you may say to yourself, "What does God care about your piece of wood?"

Apparently He does care. He did. Would you call me a liar?

Or do you think that I have two voices in my head? Or do you think that I am instructed of myself of those things of which I am not aware? Do children instruct themselves in proper behavior? Or is it given to them?

Those who fear touching anything that is rumored to be pagan, don't do it. It'll be a stumbling block to you. But those who seek to go around and condemn over such silly things, hear me. If you belong to God, you will go into prison on account of this thing. If you do not belong to God, then you won't mind at all. I'm not saying this as a threat or out of random, but I say this from personal experience.

And would you call me a liar?

I hate chocolate bunnies. I hate easter eggs. I hate the idea of spending money on things that could otherwise be spent on helping people.

Do I really care if God has given liberty to His children to enjoy a day?

Who am I to say what God can and cannot do?!

I am me. God made me to be me. And my past experiences help to sum me up. But I am not all knowing, neither am I all powerful, neither am I the ultimate judge.

I will not harm those people whom God has given liberty.

Bless them. Enjoy the day and I hope it goes well for you.

My family does it because that's what they know. So what? I see more ignorance in today's world than I believe has probably ever existed before. I think this is a good thing, interestingly enough. For if the people were not allowed to be so ignorant today, then I believe very very few could be saved.

Praise God that He saves the ignorant. Praise God that He saves the unlearned. Praise God that He saves those hearts which cry to Him and they don't even realize it. Praise God that those who ignorantly and arrogantly tattoo themselves with, "666" are not actually Satan's children, but are merely utterly confused because of all of the garbage they have witnessed from people who claim to be Christian.

Paul is such a beautiful witness. If Saul can be turned, any one can.

Now do I say that Hell does not exist? Never. Do I say that there will not be gnashing of teeth? Never.

It's just not at all what those who consider themselves wise think. It's nothing like what you think.

God made sure to take great care through the prophets to teach us about His grace, but to ensure that people still maintained a level of fear of the Lord so that they did not trample Him and consider His grace a weakness. However, that does not mean that we should be using the fear of the Lord to crush people. That's NOT HIS INTENT. The Lord gave us the Sword so that those who thought that they could trample all over the Lord and do whatever they wished to connive into grace willfully would have no excuse. The Lord seeks to condemn only those who hate Him and manipulate Him. Of course, He doesn't seek to condemn anyone. But if any be condemned, it is for that reason.

The Lord has made us friends. And He has made Himself a friend with us. The Lord stopping being the childhood parent at Jesus and became the adult parent - the One with whom we can FELLOWSHIP!

And so then will you continue to cower in fear from the Lord? Have you ever had anyone cower in fear from you before? It doesn't make you feel powerful. IT makes you feel like a monster! And then you resent that individual even more because they consider you a monster! So then how can you hate the Lord in such a way?

And why do you make the Lord unreachable by your vain words and vain research?

Will the Lord work through you if you seek only to infect people with confusion? For if the Lord should be called anything other than Jesus in our tongue, then we should cause millions of simple and illiterate and poor to stumble. What foolishness is this?

Our work is to remember the cross. This does not mean to wear the cross as a hypocrite; not that those who wear crosses are hypocrites. But are there not those who wear the cross believing that a piece of metal will grant them grace?

We remember the cross, but we KNOW the Lord.

I have so much joy and happiness and love for the Lord right now. I am so happy that He is allowing me to do this. Earlier today I was so worried and begging the Lord over and over, "Please bring my wife home safe." And the whole time she was okay, but I was full of silly worry. And I was reminded, "Do not be angry that she did not call. Be happy that she is safe." And I was. And that is a test I have had to endure multiple times, and I did not so well. But today I endured. And I loved. And I was glad. And I am not yet perfect, but I am a work in progress. But thank God that He changed me today.

This work the Lord did not bring about in me because I respected any foolish day or holiday. He did it in me because He loves me. And He told me as I was whittling a wooden pipe made for tobacco (not illegal, by the way); "You want to know a secret? I love you." Because I was considering that I love to do this work, but it is for tobacco. But He didn't care! He sees me working these pipes as a means of carrying on the legacy of my Grandpa. It's interesting to Him. Wow!

And you want to cause people to stumble over little silly things.

Get out.

Let people be.

Show the love of the Lord in your life. Do not be afraid of the 666, do not be afraid of the pagans, do not be afraid of those things which carry no weight neither have any power. Don't be so silly. IF you are afraid of those things, how could you ever possibly think to attempt to walk on stormy water?

God's love please be upon all of you. Take no offense, if you please. Only learn. Be renewed. Be better than me. I would rather that you are able to boast that you have gained more of God than me. And what would I boast? The Lord has caught me even today while I was worrying for my family that I had built myself up some yesterday. And I was sorry for it and worried if that was the reason why I was suffering at that moment. And yet God has revealed to me that it was the Accuser which guilted me and not Him. The Lord sees the humor in all things as well. Not that I should build myself up, but how can this be considered sin on me? The Accuser wants to accuse us of sin so that we stumble and believe it, and therefore, then, it becomes sin to us.

What's the point in that?

God has saved us! Why convince ourselves?

Now does this mean that we go out and be fools? NO.

What fool would say, "God has saved me, so it's cool if I go out and find a bunch of women and have a good time."

Those words are equivalent to saying, "Let me just go jump into that lake of fire. That'll be fun."

THAT is the attitude which God condemns. He does not condemn the attitude of liberty, He does not condemn the attitude of passion, neither the attitude of enjoyment, neither the attitude of depression, neither the attitude of love, or frustration, or of anger. Are these emotions not states of the spirit? And is God not a spirit? And has God not created us in His image? Therefore, how can He condemn such things?

And what more can I possibly say. I could go on forever. But I believe I have covered the points that are necessary to cause those in error to consider their ways according to God and not according to the wisdom of men.

Praise God that it is possible that someone like me could be capable of possessing this understanding. But then it is not me that is able to possess, but the Lord, our Lord, Jesus Christ, to whom the Father has given all things.

I read all of it. The whole thing. Great post.

So many good insights.

 

[Allin]

Well here again, satan has taken all of God's goodness and turned it against the people. Many of God's lovely creation have been plagiarized and used for nefarious purposes. What matters is the 'intent' in the heart when considering a symbol or tradition. So just by one looking at a pyramid or a single left eye won't necessarily cause your children to worship satan. But if you start buying products because of these influences it is indeed worshipping at the alter of a false god.

Magic uses symbols in an order that alerts the subconscious brain. It is mind control, essentially. Like the brain sees red and an alert is raised. People have gotten very good at this, it's called advertising. And really, the whole world is in a state of confusion. We have people dedicated to the full time deception of other people so they can control where the dollars fly.

In one sense, I think there is danger in raising too much of an alarm over this sort of thing because that is fear mongering which is also worshipping at the alter of a false god.

What is reasonable? Will your children grow up normally if they walk around telling other kids they are worshipping satan when they eat an Easter egg? Probably not. Teach them these things and we can all decide when we are removed from our comfort zone and closer to things not of God. If you held the hand of Jesus, you could walk through hell and be unharmed.

It would be best if you got to know me face to face. Barely anything written online gets anything across. I come from generations and generations of paganism and the occult and the only one in a very large family who's made it out (though I still have struggles because some of them want to drag me in). I understand the dangers of error pretty well; but if I was afraid or a fear-monger, I would never have left such a dangerous situation. We Christians are light years behind in spiritual things generally speaking. When inquiring, it's best to be more inquisitive than instructing. It is heartbreaking how much we think we know and how much less we understand. We're like a blind man who claims to see things just because he can hear them; we think we can grasp hidden things without EXERCISING our discernment, that we can understand without any light. If you want to talk, then let's talk about the things we believe rather than your assuming for one second that I'll teach my kids to be fearful. Maybe you should get to know what I believe or something along those lines. You would be impressed unfortunately.

 

[RedTent]

The real question should be: are we worshipping the Lord as the Lord asks us to.

God acted out the birth of Jesus when he freed the Hebrews from slavery, and asked us to celebrate that. After it was done, God gave us communion for remembrance and we were to use Passover to celebrate the birth. Men decided they had a better idea for celebrating and they did a take off on a spring festival, even using a name for it not in the bible. If it OK that we skip Passover and use what men decided to do or should we play it safe and follow scripture?

 

[phil112]

The real question should be: are we worshipping the Lord as the Lord asks us to. .............

red, thanks for straightening out the OP. We don't know what to ask, and we're glad you're here to help with that. BTW, are you a democrat?

 

[Hizikyah]

red, thanks for straightening out the OP. We don't know what to ask, and we're glad you're here to help with that. BTW, are you a democrat?

Hegelian dialectic of sorts

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Your argument is INCREDIBLY lacking. God made satan too; should we befriend him. God made unbelievers; should we remain unbelieving. God made poison ivy; should we eat it. The Bible says to have nothing to do with things that are defiled or that have been paganized; where are rabbits and eggs mentioned at the time of Jesus' death. Which article, book, or writing that says that the symbols used for Easter are rooted in paganism are you willing to believe. Who are you trying to convince, and where are you coming from. What Bible did you study, and who is it that you serve. Is everything good for us just because God created everything. Instead of defending a Christian holiday, what about defending the truth. Studying the Bible never made anyone wise; but "the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." Defend truth; you may not appear smart to some people, but you will be.

satan chooses to practice evil...rabbits do not... poison ivy is inherently poisonous...eggs are not... your attempts at analogy are not analogous to my argument at all...

'easter bunnies' and easter eggs are not defiled or paganized...as i have pointed out repeatedly there is no evidence connecting rabbits and eggs with any ancient pagan spring time festival...

there is however endless -misinformation- about what various ancient pagan religions supposedly believed and did...most of it sadly is -made up- by professing 'christians' who want to feel superior to the rest of the church...

what sources would convince me that easter practices are connected with paganism?

how about a primary source? nobody here has been able to produce a single one...

by 'primary source' i mean any writing or inscription produced by the pagan religions in question in which they actually state for themselves what they believed and did... show me a cuneiform tablet saying something like 'ishtar is a rabbit goddess and therefore we use rabbit symbolism in her feasts'...after all there are thousands of cuneiform tablets...surely you can find -one- to back up your contention... show me a votive inscription saying something like '1,000 eggs dyed in the blood of babies offered to ishtar on the day of the vernal celebration'...after all there are thousands of votive inscriptions...surely you can find -one- to back up your claim...

i would probably even settle for the account of an ancient eyewitness...quote from some ancient historian who actually witnessed people offering rabbits and eggs to 'eostre'...

i -am- defending the truth...but there is no truth in the misinformation and hearsay that you have fallen for...

 

[WalkingThePath]

Shalom Hizikyah. Many people do not want to know the Truth. It's easy for them to consider such things trivial. It messes with their doctrine. There will be a great falling away my friend. I see it on this site. Every reference you posted is the truth. Sabbath is still Sabbath. It was made in the beginning of Genesis. Most people think it's Jewish. Easter, Christmas, Halloween are all pagan. People are afraid to go against the crowd. Keep true to the truth my brother. Peace be upon you.

 

[chubbena]

the liturgical calendar of the Church is the means by which the Church teaches the mysteries of Christ and his gospel every year. The Church does not worship pagan gods or goddesses.
That you desire to observe certain OT traditions and disregard the teachings of the Church does not make your position "the Truth", that the Church can trace its traditions to the apostolic age gives it far more validity than your tradition.

With that being said, I respect you and am impressed with your knowledge of scripture and always enjoy reading your commentaries. And I believe as long as Yeshua is given all the glory then YHWH will bless you as he will also bless us who follow the traditional church teachings.

Christ be with you always.

I guess this statement summed up very well the perversion in mainstream churches:
That you desire to observe certain OT traditions and disregard the teachings of the church does not make your position "the Truth".
The OT teachings are taken as traditions.
The traditions of the church are received as teachings.
The reformation has not changed much.
The Puritans had fought in vain.
We do not care about the short American history. Why do we even care about the truth?

 

[john832]

The day is what you make it. Coloring Easter eggs or celebrating our risen Lord Jesus Christ from the dead.

Yeah, God doesn't really care how we worship Him...

Deu 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
Deu 12:31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Eze 8:13 He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.
Eze 8:14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
Eze 8:15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
Eze 8:17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
Eze 8:18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.

 

[john832]

Hizikyah,

your name fits you well.

'And Hezekiah sent to all Israel and Judah, and also wrote letters to Ephraim and Manasseh,
that they should come to the House of The Lord at Jerusalem, to keep the Passover to The Lord God of Israel.'
and oh yes, they were mocked.

you have done such a good job, contending for the Faith once delivered to the saints.

the most evil king in the Bible was Jeroboam, he changed the Feast that was in the 7th mo. to the 8th mo.
and he set-up calves to worship.
this incident takes you right back to the 'golden-calf'.
Ex.32:4.
And he received the gold from their hand, and he fashioned it with an engraving tool,
and made a molded calf......
then he makes a proclamation and said, 'tomorrow is a FEAST to The Lord. and then they make their offering to God...
WAS GOD PLEASED WITH THIS WORSHIP?????

1Cor.10:7&11.
And do not become 'idolaters' as were some of them.
As it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. (this is the incident of the golden calf).

verse 11 tells us, 'Now all these things happen to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition,
upon whom the end of the ages have come.'

we discovered through studying that the 'coloring' of easter eggs
came from a foul-rite in the Canaanite religion.
the high priest would have sex with a virgin upon the altar of Ishtar and impregnate her
- the timing of this was so that the infant could be sacrificed on (easter).
the eggs were dyed in the blood of the infant.

after all the years of us both celebrating easter after the traditions of men,
we were convicted by our Lord to stop this abomination.
'like the scripture says, if the ROOTS are corrupt, so is the TREE.

Jesus and the apostles are OUR examples, and we have not been able to find in the
Bible where any of God's servants celebrate the pagan rituals.
God clearly tells us, Learn not the way of the heathen.
we cannot partake of The Lord's Table and the table of devils.



giving up the ways of the world is a struggle, one that separates and
brings us into the will of God.

Yeah, but as BenFTW put it, they probably did it with a good heart...

Lev 10:1 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.
Lev 10:2 And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.

They did it with a good heart.

 

[john832]

the ritual weeping for tammuz took place in the summer...so it has nothing to do with easter...

practically everything at that link is misinformation...

Don't know who Tammuz was, eh?

 

[john832]

the ancient israelites had two calendars...one was a 'ceremonial year' that started in the month of abib...the other was a 'civil year' somewhat like our modern 'fiscal year' that started in the month of tishri...

this is why God commanded the year of jubilee to begin with the month of tishri...

it is amazing how little some messianic fringe adherents know about hebraic things...

Really?

Guess the Day of Atonement had nothing to do with it.

 

[john832]

Two Questions...

1. Can that which is crooked be made straight?
2. Can something with Pagan roots be Christianized and then accepted by God?

Answers....

1. That which is crooked cannot be made straight <---Solomon
2. If it is not of God it is sin!

Did not Judah mix Paganism with Biblical WORSHIP=SPIRITUAL ADULTRY and were judged and brought down after three subsequent invasions by the Babylonians?

Idolatry and Sabbath breaking got 'em.

 

[john832]

Wrong! Ask any rabbi, and he will tell you that ANY PART of a day, is considered a day.


I can copy and paste too!

Yep, and you can take the men's teachings for the truth over the Word of God just like they do. How'd that work out for them?

Luk 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

 

[chubbena]

satan chooses to practice evil...rabbits do not... poison ivy is inherently poisonous...eggs are not... your attempts at analogy are not analogous to my argument at all...

'easter bunnies' and easter eggs are not defiled or paganized...as i have pointed out repeatedly there is no evidence connecting rabbits and eggs with any ancient pagan spring time festival...

there is however endless -misinformation- about what various ancient pagan religions supposedly believed and did...most of it sadly is -made up- by professing 'christians' who want to feel superior to the rest of the church...

what sources would convince me that easter practices are connected with paganism?

how about a primary source? nobody here has been able to produce a single one...

by 'primary source' i mean any writing or inscription produced by the pagan religions in question in which they actually state for themselves what they believed and did... show me a cuneiform tablet saying something like 'ishtar is a rabbit goddess and therefore we use rabbit symbolism in her feasts'...after all there are thousands of cuneiform tablets...surely you can find -one- to back up your contention... show me a votive inscription saying something like '1,000 eggs dyed in the blood of babies offered to ishtar on the day of the vernal celebration'...after all there are thousands of votive inscriptions...surely you can find -one- to back up your claim...

i would probably even settle for the account of an ancient eyewitness...quote from some ancient historian who actually witnessed people offering rabbits and eggs to 'eostre'...

i -am- defending the truth...but there is no truth in the misinformation and hearsay that you have fallen for...

It's fine by me if you are simply defending what you believe but when it comes to truth it's quite another matter.

A true student should have known the origins of those "holidays" from Christian history books and how the Puritans dealt with such.

 

[john832]

Ask any "rabbi" and they will also tell you the Messiah has not yet come...


Ask any "rabbi" and he will tell you the Talmud is equal to or greater then Scripture...

Matt 23:8, "But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers."

I choose to ask the Messiah:

Yahchanan (John) 11:9, "Yahshua said to them, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If a man walks in the daylight he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world.”

Mattithyah 11:39-40, "So He answered, and said to them: An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Yahnah: For as Yahnah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

The only sign...

The only sign of the true Messiah, Yahshua.

Well there you go again, confusing them with the facts after their mind is made up.