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presidente

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I agree it's a serious thing to say, "God told me". If people would think, before they say it, that if they are wrong, they could be doing something so bad it warranted a death penalty in the Old Testament. Most of those death penalty crimes are still sins: murder, adultery, homosexual behavior and beastiality, striking one's parents, testifying against someone else falsely for a crime worthy of death to get them killed, etc. Those are pretty bad things. Prophesying falsely in the name of the LORD was a death penalty crime, too.

But I don't agree with the idea that all God has to say is in the Bible. That's an unbiblical idea. Christ is the Word of God in the fullest and most ultimate sense. Everything He did revealed the Father. Yet, the book of John tells us that the author supposed if all of Christ's works were written down, the world could not contain the books. There are plenty of references to prophecies which are not recorded. I mean, for example, Samuel told Saul that certain prophets would meet him. We read that these prophets were prophesying, but their words were not recorded in the Bible. Saul prophesied, but his words are not recorded. Saul's servant had advised him to go to Samuel to enquire of missing donkeys. We don't know about all the other missing donkeys and lost coins Samuel and the other prophets prophesied to other people about. We don't know much of what the sons of the prophets in Elijah and Elisha's time prophesied about.

Micaiah prophesied Ahab's death. That's the first prophecy we read about. But before he was brought out to prophesy, the king, who apparently knew the court prophets were fakes, said of Micaiah, "he never says anything good about me." He knew Micaiah was a prophet of the LORD, unlike the large crowed promising him victory. Yet we don't know what those prophecies Micaiah had prophesied about Ahab before he appears in scripture were.

The seven thunders in revelation actually said something. But John was not allowed to include them in the book of Revelation, the last book in scripture.

Anyway, my point is that the Bible does not teach that all revelation is included in scripture. I'm glad. I wouldn't want to have to bring my Bible in a Mac truck, a book filled with every prophecy about a lost donkey for all the Israelites for all of history, and the name of every preacher God has and will ever call. The scriptures we have are written for our learning upon whom the end of the age has come. There is a universal applicability for our learning. I don't need every individual personal prophecy or bit of direction the Lord gives individuals. Some things aren't for the whole church.
 

presidente

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The Bible commands, "Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things. Hold fast to that which is good."
 

notuptome

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God told all men to give heed to His word. If you are out there listening for God to tell you something look in His book. If it isn't in His book just remind yourself that someone else is out there speaking. He likes to imitate God and that is what got a lot of this mess started.

God is not giving new revelation and God is not giving new prophecy. What we have is all we need. Most do not even use one percent of what we have provided by Gods mercy and great grace.

For the cause of Christ
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MaggieMye

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UNLESS one is proven prophet, when a person says, "God told me/showed me ..." it is for direction on one's PERSONAL life. And so yes, you won't find it in scripture. God will not tell just anyone anything of city, county, state or national importance anything UNLESS that person is in right relationship with Him AND has the ear of that specific government. ie....is someone that part of government trusts as someone having good input and will listen to.
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I just want to outline the God doesn't speak doctrine with a little criticism. So God spoke from the beginning to mankind and spoke to them for about 4,000 years at various times. We all know that. So he sends His Son who lives with us and says more for God than anyone. Then His diciples write His Words in a book. Now God doesnt speak because He perfers a book over actually talking to you? God is not going to speak because there is no need? Maybe He gave the angels a book so He didnt have to speak to them? If God perfers books over talking then He could provide books for eternity and never speak to you? After all the book trumps every other method God ever used, right?
 

presidente

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UNLESS one is proven prophet, when a person says, "God told me/showed me ..." it is for direction on one's PERSONAL life. And so yes, you won't find it in scripture. God will not tell just anyone anything of city, county, state or national importance anything UNLESS that person is in right relationship with Him AND has the ear of that specific government. ie....is someone that part of government trusts as someone having good input and will listen to.
Maggie
In my experience, this isn't true. I was a witness as someone who didn't have the ear of a certain candidate for governor, who didn't even know him, but had a prophecy for him, showe up at a state Republican convention and somehow receive favor to get past all the security to meet with the candidate and deliver a prophetic word.
 
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I hear this occasionally from people and quite honestly it causes me to recoil somewhat. It seems to me that God has told us everything thru His word and thru Christ. Someone saying that they received revelation from Christ has given rise to many cult figures and has caused much damage to Christianity. Am I saying that you cannot receive revelation from God?...no but I think one should be cautious when claiming it. Thoughts?
I would agree with you on this based upon a few facts which are...

1. The Bible was completed with the Book of Revelation by John circa 95 A.D.
2. Jude states clearly that (the faith) has been ONCE DELIVERED UNTO THE SAINTS and there is no need for a new Revelation
3. Peter states clearly who we are to listen to and be mindful of...

With the Bible being complete as the all sufficient rule of faith and practice it seems redundant and or unreasonable that there would be NEW REVELATIONS....

Having said that, semantics mean a lot in conversations, and sometimes I wonder if when a person says or states that God told them something if they are just using a figure of speech so as to say that they have learned something new out of the word of God......Just a thought or two......
 

Nick01

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Not all revelation is included Scripture, because not all revelation is necessary. What is in Scripture is necessary. What is not, is not.

I don't have a problem with prophesy (thought I'm perfectly content with what is necessary, and have no particular desire to hear any extras - if God wants me to know something else, he'll make sure I know anyway). What I see all too often, though, is people who claim the gift of prophecy, to have been given special revelation, and who then baulk at being tested. "Man, this is from God, you have to just believe. It's not contradicting Scripture, so it's true. Just believe it! *often said with a terribly self-important smile"

No, I really don't.

The Bible is unequivocal - prophesy is to be tested, and at least one of the means seems to be the agreement of a plurality of others. The idea of a prophet having unilateral authority to say whatever is glaringly absent in the New Testament, and in the Old Testament is the sole preserve of the likes of Moses and Elijah, who (as pointed out in Numbers 12) didn't have dreams or images or 'feelings' about what God wanted, but actually had God speak to them audibly and in plain speech. That kind of prophecy has ceased, because of the full revelation of God and his will in Christ (Heb 1).

So if you want to claim the NT gift of prophesy in some shape or form, fine. Just don't expect me to agree with you at first blush. I will take what you say, and pray over it, and talk about it with other people (yes, I will tell them you told me this prophesy, no, don't ask me not to spread it around, because if you're a genuine prophet you should be prepared for people to test what you say). But I'm not going to accept it just because you said it.

And yes, I have heard the horror stories of "God told me you should marry me..."
 
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Tintin

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Hmmmmm........Thinks ders a false prophet in da house, medoes!:p
Stephen, it's a joke. I dislike the "God told me" thing to further one's agenda as much as the rest of you.
 
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Tintin

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I won't deny there will be two prophets in the future, He says so in His Word.
The Old Testament and the New Testament
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Enoch and Elijah (both were translated into God's presence without first dying).
 
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Stephen, it's a joke. I dislike the "God told me" thing to further one's agenda as much as the rest of you.
Hey, did ya see the silly guy at the end of the sentence? I have my joking moments too, ya know.
Incidently, I'm not against personal revelation....... I'm only against the abuse of it, like the Apostle Paul was.:)
 
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Tintin

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Ah, yes. Good point, thanks. :)
 
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I would agree with you on this based upon a few facts which are...

1. The Bible was completed with the Book of Revelation by John circa 95 A.D.
2. Jude states clearly that (the faith) has been ONCE DELIVERED UNTO THE SAINTS and there is no need for a new Revelation
3. Peter states clearly who we are to listen to and be mindful of...

With the Bible being complete as the all sufficient rule of faith and practice it seems redundant and or unreasonable that there would be NEW REVELATIONS....

Having said that, semantics mean a lot in conversations, and sometimes I wonder if when a person says or states that God told them something if they are just using a figure of speech so as to say that they have learned something new out of the word of God......Just a thought or two......
Did Jude said there's no need for new revelation or you? I need some clarification on that.

"SEEMS" isn't a definite type of word...... so it definitely doesn't amount to much.

Now, If I was gonna try to prove sumthin like this statement of yours, I would make sure I knew my Bible way better than my religion. Most think their denominational "religion" is their Bible.

I also would use an absolute scripture to prove it, like I'm about to do right now.... to prove the opposite is true.
1 Corinthians 14:26 (NASB) [SUP]26 [/SUP]What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.

Here Paul is instructing the church about abuses in ministry in the Corinthian Church. In it, he also lists the types of gifts & ministries that's being abused. He NEVER judges these gifts & ministries as false or no longer needed...... He only points out HOW they are to be used. Since this letter is to the church about the church, no attempts should be made to make false statements that it shouldn't happen any more, especially misquoting 1Cor. 13, the chapter just before this one, OK?

The context of ch 14 is context of what ch 13 is not........ the end of the gift ministries.
 
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kennethcadwell

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Stephen63 the thing that some do not understand is that the reason the books for the finalized bible that we know today where chosen because they not only apply to the people at the time, but also for the future generations from there on.
 
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Sirk

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According to scripture there are 5 ways that God communicates with us. I'll get us started

1) His written word- the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16) All scripture is God Breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness so that the servant of God may be equipped for every good work.
 

crossnote

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The Old Testament and the New Testament
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Enoch and Elijah (both were translated into God's presence without first dying).
You already know which of the two choices I'd choose.

And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
(Rev 11:9)
 

Nick01

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The whole idea behind the biblical canon was that they wanted to preserve the writings of the apostles of Jesus. If you weren't an apostle, or you weren't writing on behalf of or using the words of an apostle, you didn't get into the canon. The reason why the canon became closed is simple - the apostles, those who heard the teaching of the Lord and who were (particularly Paul) divinely appointed to a specific ministry to establish churches, died. When they died, there was no one left alive who could claim to have been given apostolic authority by the Lord himself.

That doesn't necessarily mean God couldn't still speak to people now. It just means that any subsequent revelation is inherently inferior to that of the apostles, because Jesus didn't give you that authority directly and in person, in the presence of others, in a way that they know you are divinely appointed. And when even Paul takes great care to say which things are said by Jesus, and which things are said by him, I become very wary of people who say "God told me..." Who are you again?
 
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Sirk

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According to scripture there are 5 ways that God communicates with us. I'll get us started

1) His written word- the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16) All scripture is God Breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness so that the servant of God may be equipped for every good work.
I am highjacking my thread as I want to steer it towards what the bible says about how God speaks to us.
 
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kennethcadwell

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The problem with saying that the biblical canon we know today was to preserve and only use writings of the apostle's is because not all the apostle's writings are n the bible. However it is well known through historical studies that James ( half brother of Jesus ) did not believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior tell crucifixion yet his book is in the bible. Plus the other thing is that most only attribute the title of apostle to the main twelve listed by name, however they forget about the scripture in Luke 10 that says He appointed 70 others. Also Paul became an apostle after Jesus died on the cross, as well as others that were appointed as mentioned in acts. Also in acts it talks about a number of 120 that were in attendance.

So to say to be an apostle they had to be taught directly by Jesus is not true, for others after Jesus had been crucified were still given the title. They attribute this to an apostle is one who follows and teaches, as a disciple is one who follows and learns.