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Please share the chapters/sections of the quran where Satan is cursed and Jesus and Mary is praised.
Satan is cursed:
They call upon instead of Him none but female [deities], and they [actually] call upon none but a rebellious Satan. Whom Allaah has cursed.}[Quran 3:117-118]


“O mankind, eat from whatever is on earth [that is] lawful and good and do not follow the footsteps of Satan. Indeed, he is to you a clear enemy. He only orders you to evil and immorality and to say about Allah what you do not know.” Al-Baqarah, 2: 168


Satan threatens you with poverty and orders you to immorality, while Allah promises you forgiveness from Him and bounty. And Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.”Al-Baqarah, 2: 268






“O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful. Satan only wants to cause between you animosity and hatred through intoxicants and gambling and to avert you from the remembrance of Allah and from prayer. So will you not desist?” Al-Mâ’idah, 5: 90-91


for full details on what Allah tells about satan please refer here:
IslamBasics


Jesus is praised in Quran:


The Birth of Jesus
Surah III, vs.
45: Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the one of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to God.


Vs. 46: "He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity and he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."


Vs. 47: She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: God createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a Plan, He but saith to it, "Be", and it is!




The Mission of Jesus (PBUH)
Vs. 48: And God will teach him the Book and Wisdom, The Law and the Gospel,
Vs. 49: "And appoint him an Apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "I have come to you, with a sign from your Lord, In that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by God's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye should store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if you believe.
Vs. 50: "(1 have come to you), to attest the Law which was be- fore me, and to make lawful to you part of what was (before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear God and obey me.
Vs. 51: "It is God who is my Lord and your Lord; Then worship Him, in a way that is straight".


Quran honors Mary:
And remember when the angels said(to Mary), 'ALLAH has chosen thee and purified thee and chosen thee above all women of the time.
[Quran 3:042]
 
May 10, 2014
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I saw your invitation to ask a question.



I have not seen your response to this question. Admittedly, it is a difficult question to answer.

Among the religions of the world, only genuine Christianity has the genuine Jesus Christ.

Only Jesus Christ atoned for the sins of others so God could justly forgive and clear the guilt of sins. Sin was still punished. But Jesus Christ (Incarnate God-man and part of the eternal, infinite Godhead) bore the punishment for finite others in time so that the heirs of salvation might justly enjoy mercies in eternity. The mercies of the Lord endure forever (Psalm 136). Believe in Jesus and live as his disciple. Only He has the keys of hell and of death. Only God can give the gift of eternal life in the joyful presence of God and angels and saints. None can earn it. A few will receive everlasting mercies as a gracious gift and inheritance. Eternal mercies come by grace through faith and even that faith is a gift of God. Ask God for such gifts. Boast in the Lord and let the glories and honors belong to God.

Words of Jesus Christ in Revelation 1:18 - I am He who lives, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. - Letter of Paul to the Ephesians 2:8-9
this is the easiest question that any muslim can answer :)
He can clear it by asking for forgiveness :)
 
May 10, 2014
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What I asked was: In the light of contemporary secular society, at least, a number of the provisions of Islam strikes us as immoral at best and criminal at worst.

Where do you stand on the enforcement of Islamic rules against apostasy and strict enforcement Islamic laws again sexual relations outside marriage?
Really??
this is how u asked !!
Condemned by many, yes, but nevertheless they are ruthless and they are Muslim. We can hardly go a day without hearing about Islamic terrorist attacks somewhere in the world. Islamic violence is wide spread and common place.

One concern I have is that Islam does not allow anyone to give up that faith. Apostates from some Christian sects are shunned by former friends and family members, but Christianity does not advocate killing them. Apostates from Islam are often sentenced to death, or killed, or threatened with death. I have seen in the Hadith (2171) that the Prophet says the blood of a Muslim may be spilled only under three conditions. The third condition: “The one who turns renegade from Islâm (apostate) and leaves the group of Muslims.”

By the way the same Hadith also justifies the killing of “A married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse.” We hear of this often in Islamic countries and I think most of us in the West see this as barbaric. While we may not approve of infidelity in marriage few, if any of us, think the state has any business in the bedrooms of the nation – at least that would be the view of the majority of Canadians.

In the light of contemporary secular society, at least, a number of the provisions of Islam strikes us as immoral at best and criminal at worst.

Where do you stand on the enforcement of Islamic rules against apostasy and sexual relations outside marriage?
 
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Ask the Muslim where His blood comes from. Then ask why they believe in the virgin birth of Jesus, then ask where did His blood come from. They cannot answer.
 
Aug 25, 2013
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You do understand that Cycel hates God and wants no part of Him.
I have to tell you Kerry that when I read your comment I burst out laughing. What I found amusing is that same tired old refrain that atheists hate God. I have told you that I don't hate God, haven't I?

I suppose it looks this way to you, but I assure you I harbor no dislike of God, Zeus, Jupiter, Odin, or any other god you may wish to name. It's true that I don't believe in the existence of any of them, but I don't hate them Kerry. Quite the opposite in fact. I love learning about them and I even own a number of books on the old gods of our ancestors, and I have a great many books on Judaism and Christianity.
 
Nov 2, 2013
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This makes no sense to me, and what I mean by that is I haven't a clue as to what you just said. Are you trying to sound profound, or cryptic, or prophetic? I have not idea what this means. If I don’t understand what you have written then you’ve failed to communicate your meaning. Can you give it to me once more, but in the Queen's English?
Why you not know not you trying to reconcile you by me? How can this law be the same as that law except you try to ask ME what you fail to understand.
 
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Kerry

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I have to tell you Kerry that when I read your comment I burst out laughing. What I found amusing is that same tired old refrain that atheists hate God. I have told you that I don't hate God, haven't I?

I suppose it looks this way to you, but I assure you I harbor no dislike of God, Zeus, Jupiter, Odin, or any other god you may wish to name. It's true that I don't believe in the existence of any of them, but I don't hate them Kerry. Quite the opposite in fact. I love learning about them and I even own a number of books on the old gods of our ancestors, and I have a great many books on Judaism and Christianity.
Then Cycel, why do you fight so hard against Him, why do you continue to reject Him. I would love nothing more and I have nothing against you. Why do you kick against the goads. Explain?
 
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Kerry

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Maybe you could be a modern day Paul if you would just yield.
 
K

Kerry

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I meant, you know the bible more than most Christians, If had to pick teams I would pick you first.
 
May 10, 2014
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So did any of the old testament peoples ever break any other laws where a person wouldn't be stoned to death?
Since you're so into the Laws God commanded in the old testament, Jesus being God also said if you break the least of these commands, you have broken the whole law and since adultery is part of the whole law, everyone gets stoned to death and the world is no longer inhabited by humans.

I guess that law of stoning to death wasn't the answer because some of us are still doing the adultery thing today. It never cured the sin did it?

You mentioned that everyone payed for his or her own sin meaning you weren't allowed to take someone elses place, but that was only a fleshly death, whereas Jesus died for your soul. You can't mix apples and oranges. Fleshly death and spiritual death are not the same.

Therefore by that fact, Jesus didn't break God's law (man paying for his own sin and not anothers) because Jesus didn't die for your flesh, your flesh will never be saved, when He raises you from the dead it will be a new body not made of the corruptable, but rather the incorruptable which isn't of earthly matter.

So what is the cure? Jesus the Christ, (the perfect law keeper FOR US by the grace of God) was lawfully able to die in our place.

Oh and by the way, Jesus spoke all those passages you quoted while living in the old testament not the new as you stated, as there was no new testament at that time. And of a course He honored the OT,....as these (OT words) are they which testify of Me (Jesus God).

I don't have any questions for your OP as this isn't a site for muslim converts and any questions I may have are already answered in the bible. I wouldn't waste my time reading you kor'an to understand any of it because one can't make sense out of N O N S E N S E. But you are certainly welcome to ask biblical questions that is why this site is HEAR.
Sorry for the pun....
u said"everyone gets stoned to death and the world is no longer inhabited by humans. "


doesn't God know whats best, u must ask that question to God if u believe in him why he made such a law and tell him about the negative effects of his law !!
and by the way, adultery is much common in europe only and i don't wanna comment further on such topic.
and in islamic countries its negligible as we believe in the policy "prevention is better than cure"


what do mean fleshy?
does the soul suffer in punishment or the body?
 
Aug 25, 2013
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Really??
this is how u asked !!
In response to my question this is all you offer?

I earlier asked: "Where do you stand on the enforcement of Islamic rules against apostasy and sexual relations outside marriage?" You gave me Old Testament quotes.

Based on my reading of your incomplete response I rephrased and asked “do you support the death penalty for apostasy, adultery, and prostitution?” You raised the matter of prostitution.

Still, GodTruth, you have not answered. I am taking your silence to mean yes, you favour the death penalty for these three offences. Am I wrong?
 
Nov 19, 2012
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The koran does not praise Jesus.
Actually, the Koran is an early Arab Christian account that is all about Jesus, Jesus' deity, The Trinity, His death upon the cross and subsequent Resurrection, etc. etc...
 
Nov 19, 2012
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We are told, even within the pages of the Koran itself, that the Koran (i.e. ‘the collection’) is a mere fabrication – which is an open admission that it is not the original.

Sura 10 is an excellent example of this.

The ayahs leading up to 10.37 are discussing “alhaqqi” (i.e. The Truth), of which we are told refers to only Jesus Christ (4.171).

This is fact.

Therefore, 10.37 is also a continuation of a discussion of Jesus Christ, as thus…


وما كان هذا القرءان أن يفترى من دون الله ولكن تصديق الذي بين يديه وتفصيل الكتب لا ريب فيه من رب العلمين

Wama kana hatha alqur-anu an yuftara min dooni Allahi walakin tasdeeqa allathee bayna yadayhi watafseela alkitabi la rayba feehi min rabbi alAAalameena

10.37 And that this was the collection, that fabricated one, from superior (to) “allah”, and but (a) confirmation (of) Him in His presence, and explaining The Book, no doubt in it, from the lord of the jinn and of mankind.




The first thing that we observe in this ayah is that the Koran (i.e. “alqur-anu” i.e. ‘the collection’) is called a fabrication (yuftara).

Further, this ayah states that ‘the collection’ is shown to be superior to “allah”, but still is a confirmation (tasdeeqa) of Him (allathee i.e. Jesus Christ) in His presence “bayna yadayhi”.

What this means is that while the Koran is admittedly a fabrication of the previous scriptures (i.e. it is not divine in any manner whatsoever), it still contains the Biblical message of Jesus Christ.

Further still, ‘the collection’ is said to explain (tafseela) The Book (alkitabi i.e. The Holy Bible) – of which, the Holy Bible is stated to contain no doubt whatsoever in it (la rayba feehi).

Finally, this ayah concludes with the admission that ‘the collection’ (i.e. the fabrication) is from “allah” lord of the jinn (demons).

Thus….this ayah does nothing to support the false Islamic claims that the Koran was divinely inspired.

It does, however, promote the divine origin of the Holy Bible, and 'The Truth' of Jesus Christ.
 
Aug 25, 2013
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Still, GodTruth, you have not answered. I am taking your silence to mean yes, you favour the death penalty for these three offences. Am I wrong?
Never mind GodTruth. I now have my answer. You just posted your response to Directline2iam: "by the way, adultery is much common in europe only and i don't wanna comment further on such topic.
and in islamic countries its negligible as we believe in the policy 'prevention is better than cure'
."

It looks to me that you support the killing of those who don't follow the dictates of God as you see Mohammed defining them.
 
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JustAnotherUser

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So apparently adultery (which includes rape) is not important enough to be considered as part of the statistics?... Man I could say sooo much to that but I think it's best for the sake of staying on here that I won't. But that's just... wrong.
 
Nov 19, 2012
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Hello everyone :)
i am new here and i am muslim.
I would love to be friend with you and if you have any question on islam and muslims feel free to ask or pm me :)
Shalom :)

How is it that >75% of the Koran was paraphrased from the Biblical Book of Revelation...?
 
Nov 2, 2013
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Never mind GodTruth. I now have my answer. You just posted your response to Directline2iam: "by the way, adultery is much common in europe only and i don't wanna comment further on such topic.
and in islamic countries its negligible as we believe in the policy 'prevention is better than cure'
."

It looks to me that you support the killing of those who don't follow the dictates of God as you see Mohammed defining them.
You fail to understand who your God is. I am talking about the God you claim yours asking Me and also speaking as I am commanding you wrong. Ask you what is adultery. You never will be what I am. I am above your confusion.
 
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Proof that the Koran was copied from the Book of Revelation...

Sura 81


التكوير

“alkuwwirat”

“The Folding of the Light”

(Named in honor of Jesus’ opening of the seals)





Sura 81 is a potpourri of paraphrased Book of Revelation material with much of the events described revolving around Jesus’ opening of the Sixth & Seventh seals; and the second, fifth, & sixth trumpet blasts.

Further, this sura emphasizes Jesus’ Second Coming to gather His Elect, and confirms His deity upon the Throne, as God Almighty.




Summary:


81.1 When the sun will be folded up and so darkened. (Announces Jesus’ opening of the Sixth Seal)

81.2 And when the stars fall upon the Earth. (Jesus’ opening of the Sixth Seal)

81.3 And when the mountains were made to move. (Jesus’ opening of the Sixth Seal)

81.4 And when the ten and ten abandoned the woman. (The First Beast)

81.5 And when the beasts were gathered. (The Second Death)

81.6 And when the sea and river shall be filled with fire and dried up. (The Second Trumpet Blast)

81.7 And when the souls shall be united with those whom it has followed. (The Marriage of the Lamb)

81.8 And when she is questioned about the sound. (The Fifth Trumpet Blast)

81.9 On account of which tail she was killed. (The Sixth Trumpet Blast)

81.10 And when the books will be spread out. (The Book of Judgment)

81.11 And when the heaven shall be unveiled. (Jesus’ opening of the Sixth Seal)

81.12 And when the fire of Hell is set ablaze. (The Second Death)

81.13 And when Paradise is brought near. (The New Jerusalem descends)

81.14 I know, that such a one was, or is, going forth, a man that which she has presented.(Announces The Lamb coming forth)

81.15 So I swear on account of the concealed stars. (Swears by Jesus’ opening of the Seventh Seal)

81.16 The ships, the stars. (Jesus’ opening of the Seventh Seal)

81.17 And/by the night when it departed. (Swears by Jesus’ opening of the Seventh Seal)

81.18 And/by the dawn when it became extended. (Swears by Jesus’ opening of the Seventh Seal)

81.19 Certainly His Word is a Holy messenger. (Jesus, the Word of God)

81.20 Lord of power in the presence and possession of the throne, the established one.
(Jesus as God upon the Throne)

81.21 Obeyed one there, Amen. (Jesus as God upon the Throne)

81.22 And your companion is not possessed with a devil. (John, the Companion of Jesus Christ)

81.23 And certainly he saw him on account of the heavens, the perspicuous. (John sees the Mighty Angel)

81.24 And he is not against the Mystery on account of its tenaciousness. (The Mystery of God)

81.25 And he is not on account of the expelled serpent’s saying. (The Accuser is thrown down)

81.26 Then where you may take away? (Jesus is caught up to the Throne)

81.27 Indeed he is except a warning to the Jinn and of mankind. (A warning from John)

81.28 For whosoever desires from you that be righteous. (The Water of Life)

81.29 And you will not, except that he wills allah, the Lord of the jinn, and of mankind. (The Lord of the Abyss)
 
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Muslims donot worship any idol.Infact muslims worship the creator of this universe that is only one.When islam came all the idols were broken.And muslims were asked to worship only one God..........Before islam people used to worship idols.But islam stopped people and asked to believe only One God..........the creator of everything.The start of Islam was with truth and honesty....And it was spreaded with truth and honesty..............wrong allegations cannot lead people astray..
 
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Muslims donot worship any idol.Infact muslims worship the creator of this universe that is only one.When islam came all the idols were broken.And muslims were asked to worship only one God..........Before islam people used to worship idols.But islam stopped people and asked to believe only One God..........the creator of everything.The start of Islam was with truth and honesty....And it was spreaded with truth and honesty..............wrong allegations cannot lead people astray..

الله الصمد


Allahu alssamadu

112.2 " The erecting of allah."




Observe the key term used only this one time
in the Koran…


صمد = “samadu”

“samadu” definition:

Masculine singular noun. Elevated ground: or elevated and rugged ground, not so high as to be a mountain: or hard, firm, or tough, ground: or a narrow, rugged, and low part of a mountain, producing trees. With the article “al”, an epithet applied to God. A lord; because one repairs, betakes himself, or has recourse, to him in exigencies; or, when applied to God, because affairs are stayed, or rested upon Him; or a person to whom one repairs, betakes himself, or has recourse, in exigencies; or signifies a lord to whom obedience is rendered, without whom no affair is accomplished: or one to whom lordship ultimately pertains; or a lord whose lordship has attained its utmost point or degree; in which sense it is not applicable to God: or the Being that continues, or continues forever for ever, after his creatures have perished: or the Creator of everything, of whom nothing is independent, and whose unity everything indicates: or one who takes no nourishment, or food: also high, or elevated; applied to anything: a man above whom is no one: a man who neither thirsts nor hungers in war. A Lord, one to whom reference is made in matters of importance; as an adjective it means sublime, everlasting. Solid: not hollow; in which sense it may not be applied to God.
A people having no trade, or occupation, nor anything by means of which they may live.

الصمد = “al” + “samadu” = “alssamadu” = the setting up, or erecting, a thing

It comes from the root “samada” (sad-miim-dal), which means he tended, repaired, betook himself, or directed himself or his course or aim, to, or towards, him, or it; or endeavored to reach, or attain, or obtain, him, or it; or had recourse to him, or it. He pointed towards it. Set up, erect a thing, adorn, wish, repair, strike. To wish to approach any one.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume four, pp. 1726 - 1727
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, pp. 321 - 322
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, p.86
Concordance of the Koran, Gustav Flugel, p. 111




Even a casual study of the term “alssamadu”, being applied directly to the Koranic “allah”, is disturbing to say the least.

The term itself obviously emanates from pagan idol worship.

Look at the root definition:

• He directed himself towards it
• He pointed towards it.
• Set up, erect a thing



All these things speak of an idol that was worshiped as deity.

The term itself also speaks of an idol:

• Solid; not hollow
• Applied to anything
• A lord whose lordship has attained its utmost point or degree
• Elevated ground




A solid idol that has been placed on elevated ground and is worshiped due to the fact that it has attained its utmost point or degree.

Is this what the Koran “allah” is….?

An idol that was worshiped as deity?