VCO, As I said, all christians are messianic, we believe Jesus is the Jewish messiah.
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I am sure that most all the Hebrew roots people are really messed up about the New T. and I know messianic Christians are most likely Christians and not Judaizers. Love to all, Hoffco
The QUESTION IS, who and what are you?
What Church do you attend?
What Doctrinal Statement explains to us WHAT YOU BELIEVE?
Why do you not back up your accusations or beliefs with Scripture?
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NOW, I need to ask again, Who and What are the Hebrew Roots people that you refer to, as I have never heard that term before this Thread? AND how do we distinguish between them and Messianic Christians?
I too believe that Messianic is a term that applies to both Jewish Christians and Gentile Christians that genuinely believe that Jesus Christ is the Jewish Messiah, and in the Messianic Prophecies of Scripture; which applies to all of the Mainline Christian Churches, as far as I know. At the risk of expanding this debate, I also Totally believe that the BRIDE of Christ is made up of the sum total of genuine believers of all time; both Old Testament saints and New Testament saints.
Old Testament saints are those who repented and BELIEVED GOD, unto receiving Messiah as LORD.
New Testament saints are those who repented and BELIEVED GOD, unto receiving Messiah as LORD.
Jeremiah 2:1-2 (HCSB)
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1 [/SUP] The word of the LORD came to me:
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2 [/SUP] “Go and announce directly to Jerusalem that this is what the LORD says: I remember the loyalty of your youth,
your love as a bride— how you followed Me in the wilderness, in a land not sown.
Jeremiah 33:11 (HCSB)
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11 [/SUP] a sound of joy and gladness,
the voice of the groom and the bride, and the voice of those saying, Praise the LORD of Hosts, for the LORD is good;
His faithful love endures forever as they bring thank offerings to the temple of the LORD. For I will restore the fortunes of the land as in former times, says the LORD.
Isaiah 62:5 (ESV)
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5 [/SUP] For as a young man marries a young woman, so shall your sons marry you, and
as the bridegroom rejoices over the bride, so shall your God rejoice over you.
John 3:29 (ESV)
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The one who has the bride is the bridegroom. The friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly at the bridegroom’s voice.
Therefore this joy of mine is now complete.
Luke 5:34-35 (ESV)
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34 [/SUP] And Jesus said to them,
“Can you make wedding guests fast while the bridegroom is with them?
[SUP]35 [/SUP] The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast in those days.”
Matthew 25:1-6 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] "Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And at midnight a cry was heard: 'Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!'
Ephesians 5:23 (HCSB)
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23 [/SUP] for the husband is the head of the wife
as Christ is the head of the church. He is the Savior of the body.
Revelation 18:23 (NASB)
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23 [/SUP] and the light of a lamp will not shine in you any longer; and
the voice of the bridegroom and bride will not be heard in you any longer; for your merchants were the great men of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery.
HENCE the BRIDE of Christ is made up of both O.T. and N.T. saints, who have all been sanctified by the Blood of the Lamb, the Messiah of Israel, Jesus Christ.
NOW, since I asked for a Doctrinal Statement that tells us what you believe, it is only fair that I too provide one that I agree with wholeheartedly. I know of many that would be appropriate, but I will give you the one that I think is the most thorough. It is on Dr. John MacArthur's "Grace to You" site:
Grace to You