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That has no bearing on the Biblical testimony:
1) The Word was God, and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us (Jn 1:1, 14).
2) The Word was the only begotten of(Gr: monogenes), sired by, the Father (Jn 1:14).
Therefore, the Word-become-flesh was divine.
To beget is to sire.
If Joseph sired the Word, then the Word is not divine.
And that contradicts the biblical testimony of Jn 1:1, 14
3) The testimony of the NT is that Joseph did not beget the Word, and was not his father (Lk 3:23).
1) The Word was God, and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us (Jn 1:1, 14).
2) The Word was the only begotten of(Gr: monogenes), sired by, the Father (Jn 1:14).
Therefore, the Word-become-flesh was divine.
To beget is to sire.
If Joseph sired the Word, then the Word is not divine.
And that contradicts the biblical testimony of Jn 1:1, 14
3) The testimony of the NT is that Joseph did not beget the Word, and was not his father (Lk 3:23).
Isaiah 43:10-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.
God created the Body we call Jesus in the womb of Mary via the Holy Spirit, for part of HIMSELF to indwell so that HE who is IMMORTAL could Die for our Sins as the ULTIMATE LOVE SACRIFICE.
2 Corinthians 5:19 (ASV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] to wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not reckoning unto them their trespasses, and having committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Colossians 2:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.
God created the Body we call Jesus in the womb of Mary via the Holy Spirit, for part of HIMSELF to indwell so that HE who is IMMORTAL could Die for our Sins as the ULTIMATE LOVE SACRIFICE.
2 Corinthians 5:19 (ASV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] to wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not reckoning unto them their trespasses, and having committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Colossians 2:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
The word Trinity is not in the bible to my knowledge. But the point is that different people mean different things when they say Trinity. Just like people mean different things when they say denomination. Just like people mean different things when they say Rapture. Just like people mean different things when they say that we are saved by faith.
You deny this truth? You believe that people all mean the same thing when they use the same word. The English language is probably one of the worst languages in the world for clear conversation.
In answer to your rhetorical question, You will usually discover these differences during continued conversation. Or you will become suspicious and ask. I believe that it is always good to discuss the bible and the salvation that is offered through Jesus.
I also noticed that you didn't claim that the word Trinity is used in the bible. The idea of the Trinity is discussed in the bible. But again, different people have different ideas on how "the Trinity" works. The bible says that God and Jesus are one, but there are also verses that suggest that they are two different beings.
Through my bible study I have learned that I don't know as much as I thought I knew. I know enough to understand that I am ignorant of many things. But, fortunately I also know enough, most of the time, to tell when someone else is saying something that they don't know. Many times after I learn something, I realize that it leaves me asking more questions. The good news is that we are saved in Jesus. Most of the details are trivial and cause strife.
In answer to your rhetorical question, You will usually discover these differences during continued conversation. Or you will become suspicious and ask. I believe that it is always good to discuss the bible and the salvation that is offered through Jesus.
I also noticed that you didn't claim that the word Trinity is used in the bible. The idea of the Trinity is discussed in the bible. But again, different people have different ideas on how "the Trinity" works. The bible says that God and Jesus are one, but there are also verses that suggest that they are two different beings.
Through my bible study I have learned that I don't know as much as I thought I knew. I know enough to understand that I am ignorant of many things. But, fortunately I also know enough, most of the time, to tell when someone else is saying something that they don't know. Many times after I learn something, I realize that it leaves me asking more questions. The good news is that we are saved in Jesus. Most of the details are trivial and cause strife.
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The word "Bible" isn't in the Bible either...The term "trinity" is not in the Bible, but the concept is:
Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1 John 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
The popular hymn Holy, Holy, Holy proclaims, "Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty! . Merciful and Mighty! God in Three Persons, blessed Trinity."
The OT prophet Isaiah recognized the triunity of God:
Isaiah 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
Isaiah 6:2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
Isaiah 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
Isaiah 6:4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
Isaiah 6:5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.
Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1 John 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
The popular hymn Holy, Holy, Holy proclaims, "Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty! . Merciful and Mighty! God in Three Persons, blessed Trinity."
The OT prophet Isaiah recognized the triunity of God:
Isaiah 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
Isaiah 6:2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
Isaiah 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
Isaiah 6:4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
Isaiah 6:5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.
You were saying in effect that different words and concepts (e.g. Trinity) mean different things to different people.
I said that unless they have some (not no meaning as you misunderstood) meaning to some people, all words and concepts would be meaningless.
If you want to bring in the Trinity, then study the Athanasius Creed, read commentaries on it, that will give you an idea of what has been the accepted standard of 'Trinity'.
If you just say 'well it means different things to different people then all we are doing is discussing opinions and even the opinions fall prey to your formula of 'well it means different things to different people.'
You seem to be a victim of post modern thought where there really are no absolutes because there is no certain meaning to words.
I said that unless they have some (not no meaning as you misunderstood) meaning to some people, all words and concepts would be meaningless.
If you want to bring in the Trinity, then study the Athanasius Creed, read commentaries on it, that will give you an idea of what has been the accepted standard of 'Trinity'.
If you just say 'well it means different things to different people then all we are doing is discussing opinions and even the opinions fall prey to your formula of 'well it means different things to different people.'
You seem to be a victim of post modern thought where there really are no absolutes because there is no certain meaning to words.
There are better verses than those to support the Trinity. I would like to say, again, that I am saying that people mean different things when they hear, think, and say Trinity. You suppose, it seems, that everyone means the same thing and are thinking the same thing when they say Trinity. They do not.
Neither is "Christian Water Baptism".
Nor is "Holy Communion".
Nor is "Narthex".
Nor is "Communion Wafer".
Nor is "Clerical Collar".
Nor is "Monastery".
Nor is "Bible College".
Nor is "Seminary".
Nor is "Clerical Duties".
Nor is "Divine Intervention".
Nor is "Angelic Visitation".
Nor is "Omnipresent".
Nor is "Sacraments".
Nor is "Bible".
Nor is "Church Board Meeting".
Nor is "Pulpit Committee".
Nor is "Clergy".
ETC., ETC., ETC.
So what is your Point?
Nor is "Holy Communion".
Nor is "Narthex".
Nor is "Communion Wafer".
Nor is "Clerical Collar".
Nor is "Monastery".
Nor is "Bible College".
Nor is "Seminary".
Nor is "Clerical Duties".
Nor is "Divine Intervention".
Nor is "Angelic Visitation".
Nor is "Omnipresent".
Nor is "Sacraments".
Nor is "Bible".
Nor is "Church Board Meeting".
Nor is "Pulpit Committee".
Nor is "Clergy".
ETC., ETC., ETC.
So what is your Point?
There is a reason that some of those aren't in the bible - because they don't have anything to do with God or the church.
And my point is exactly what I said. I don't find the bible to be as clear as some of you claim. In some places in the bible, it seems quite clear that there is one God (consisting of the three), but in other places it seems to clearly suggest that they are not all one being. I am done discussing this because, as I have said before, I do not think that having a complete understanding of the "Trinity" is a salvation issue.
And my point is exactly what I said. I don't find the bible to be as clear as some of you claim. In some places in the bible, it seems quite clear that there is one God (consisting of the three), but in other places it seems to clearly suggest that they are not all one being. I am done discussing this because, as I have said before, I do not think that having a complete understanding of the "Trinity" is a salvation issue.
There are reasons why all of them were not written into the BIBLE,
and the PRIMARY one is the BIBLE WAS NOT WRITTEN IN ENGLISH.
SECOND, any language changes over time.
THIRD, not only the language was not invented yet, but neither were those words and phrases.
Just so you know, I believe understanding the "Trinity" is without a DOUBT a Salvation issue.
And denying the Deity of JESUS CHRIST puts you on broad road to the destruction of HELL.
AND NO ONE HAS ANY EXCUSE THAT GOD WILL ACCEPT.
Romans 1:18-22 (NKJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] because what may be known of God is manifest in them, (We are made up of three parts that make one being, just like GOD.) for God has shown it to them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Professing to be wise, they became fools,
and the PRIMARY one is the BIBLE WAS NOT WRITTEN IN ENGLISH.
SECOND, any language changes over time.
THIRD, not only the language was not invented yet, but neither were those words and phrases.
Just so you know, I believe understanding the "Trinity" is without a DOUBT a Salvation issue.
And denying the Deity of JESUS CHRIST puts you on broad road to the destruction of HELL.
AND NO ONE HAS ANY EXCUSE THAT GOD WILL ACCEPT.
Romans 1:18-22 (NKJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] because what may be known of God is manifest in them, (We are made up of three parts that make one being, just like GOD.) for God has shown it to them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Professing to be wise, they became fools,
Jesus was not the blood son of Joseph, because HE WOULD NOT BE THE Eligable to sit on the throne of DAVID, because only Joseph had Jeconiah in his lineage; Mary's did not. ALSO He would not be both GOD and Man had he had a human father.
John 14:9 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
2 Corinthians 5:19 (ASV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] to wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not reckoning unto them their trespasses, and having committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Luke 1:30-32 (NKJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Then the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.
Acts 2:29-32 (HCSB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] “Brothers, I can confidently speak to you about the patriarch David: He is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Since he was a prophet, he knew that God had sworn an oath to him to seat one of his descendants on his throne.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Seeing this in advance, he spoke concerning the resurrection of the Messiah: He was not left in Hades, and His flesh did not experience decay.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] “God has resurrected this Jesus. We are all witnesses of this.
John 2:19-22 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Jesus answered, “Destroy this sanctuary, and I will raise it up in three days.”
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Therefore the Jews said, “This sanctuary took 46 years to build, and will You raise it up in three days?”
[SUP]21 [/SUP] But He was speaking about the sanctuary of His body.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this. And they believed the Scripture and the statement Jesus had made.
Colossians 2:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,