There Are Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity

vinada · Jun 7, 2014

Trinity is the central doctrine of religions of Christendom. According to the Athanasian Creed , there are three divine Persons(the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost), each said to be eternal, each said to be almighty, none greater or less than another, each said to be God, and yet together being but one God. Other statements of the dogma emphasize that these three 'Persons' are not separate and distinct individuals but are three modes in which the divine essence exists. Thus some Trinitarians emphasize their belief that Jesus Christ is God, or that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are Almighty God. Not a Bible teaching.

homwardbound · Jun 8, 2014

Yet no matter what way any of us slice, dice and or cube this, this statement remains a solid fact below:
John 14:6
Jesus said, “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one can go to the Father except by Me.

newbirth · Jun 8, 2014

homwardbound said:

have to agree with you on this one

newbirth · Jun 8, 2014

homwardbound said:

just having some fun with you ,but truly it's difficult to understand you words sometimes

jdbear · Jun 8, 2014

Originally posted by newbirth
Father God ,Son God ,Spirit not God
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Spirit of God ,Spirit of Christ but not God.

even in the throne room God almighty on the throne and the Lamb.
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

John 16:27-29
27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.
Rev 5
13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

None of the scriptures you cited preclude the Holy Spirit from being God. You call Jesus the Son of God. Why is Jesus the Son of God? "And the angel said to her, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you...therefore, the Holy Child born of you will be the Son of God." Lk.1:35 God is the Holy Spirit. There are many scriptures which teach us this.

Osiyo · Jun 8, 2014

Stupidity, upon stupidity, but God still loves you, as I do try, but this (thread) makes one sick to the Spirit. Why oh why is satan allowed into this, there are somethings that are spiritual, born of the Spirit, and to know God is one of them. Paul wrote this, if anybody comes preaches something other that what is written, let them be accursed, pretty much says what needs to be say about this question.

Be very careful, you might be walking on very thin ice, for blasphemy is not for away, talking against God or what He has done, is very dangerous, be blessed blood-bought ones, for your name is written in the book of life, and your name is know in the halls of heaven! An awesome thought is it not?

But to contend satan and his lies: Old testament you had mostly the Father (God the Father) and every once in awhile the Spirit of God filled priests and other holy men, then we have in the New Testament, Christ, born of the Spirit, born of the flesh, for it is written: you have seen me therefore you have seen the Father! The Holy Ghost is Spirit, you can't see him. and in heaven we will only see Christ, for the Father (worship in spirit) and the Holy Ghost are Spiritual.

It's an no-brainer, no intelligence is needed, none, absolutely none, and we get "puffed-up" and wise. God forbid.

newbirth · Jun 8, 2014

jdbear said:

holy spirit is the spirit of God. The scripture says one God one Lord.Why do people go through so much trouble trying to invent something what is not
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
All things there are no leftovers
John 16:12-16
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

All things belong to The Father and Christ when the spirit of truth comes he shall receive of Christ and show it to us. That is what the scripture says. nothing is shared three ways, no trinity.

homwardbound · Jun 10, 2014

newbirth said:

And anytime we disagree and agree to we stand in front with God to teach us truth in from each others view, and grow in this amazing grace given to us by Son. It is unfathomable to Humankind at least was to me for years and just could not quit and still not quit no matter what comes along to steal, kill, and destroy, I stand in the Faith that Christ died not only for me, yet for the whole world, and I see today all Father is waiting for is; for us to believe and see our death in Christ's death to the flesh nature and get our minds renewed to truth, seeing things all from Father's vantage point through Son to us, and am so thankful, it is by Christ physical death for me and all we are forgiven, and thus respond in thanksgiving and praise, being so busy in thankfulness we just yell God's love in peace and harmony to all, I see no sin in that do you or anyone reading here?
whatever a person is focused on is what their emotions will reveal, as in how one responds is key to telling truth to me as I see and hear to stay harmless and let others decide in themselves whether they are right or wrong. Is that not what Christ did. Just told truth and no accusations directly. Only those that think this perceived in themselves, what they know they deserve and would not repent,which is equal to change their mind from unbelief to belief

homwardbound · Jun 10, 2014

newbirth said:

No offense ever taken, not a problem
I have a saying, i like sometimes to say
"beat me hurt me, make me Christian, or threaten me with a good time, I can take it.
that relieves in me any flesh nature that tries to get in the way of truth, that God just loves us all.
I am just a growing in the stripes on Christ's back, that heal me
Love to you Brother

homwardbound · Jun 10, 2014

newbirth said:

John 8:18 I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”

[h=3]John 8:17-19[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true. [SUP]18 [/SUP]I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Then they asked him, “Where is your father?”
“You do not know me or my Father,” Jesus replied. “If you knew me, you would know my Father also.”

The same Holy Spirit that led Christ, (Father) is and has been sent to us that beleive and come to believe, yes another seeing, that the holy Spirit is father who comes to live in us and through us if we decide to believe and recieve, the amazing love of God from God. wow and 1 Cor,13:4-13 comes alive through us you think?

jdbear · Jun 11, 2014

The spirit of a person is that person. The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit, which makes the Holy Spirit God. Jesus said the Spirit receives of His because Jesus opened the door for the Spirit to in dwell believers. Jesus had to ascend to Heaven before He and His Father would in dwell us as the Spirit.

And Mary being impregnated by the Spirit would make Jesus the Son of the Spirit...which He is.

johnluke · Jun 12, 2014

Don't be too confused, I believe that the 3 members of the Trinity (the Bible calls them the Godhead, the word "Trinity" is not Biblical) are separate and distinct individuals.

So knowing that, it is not confusing to me that Jesus indwells us BY the Holy Spirit. I interpret that to say that Jesus sends the Holy Spirit to indwell in us. The reason he does that is because they are of the same thought and mind and purpose and the Holy Spirit will do and say the same thing as Jesus would. Also, the Holy Spirit is spirit and can dwell with our spirit in our body. Jesus, being flesh and bone would have a hard time dwelling within us. Being separate, this can happen and it is not a confusing concept. And by the way, I did not say that Jesus was not God, I said that Jesus is not God the Father. He is God the Son, separate and distinct from his Father, God the Father.

The interesting word is "BY". Let me give you an analogy of what the word "BY" conveys. There was a man that got a traffic ticket, but did not show up in court to meet with the judge. The judge then created a document to force the man to come to court. The judge then gave this document to the sheriff and the sheriff brought the man to court. The judge delivered the document "BY" his sheriff. If didn't matter whether it was the actual judge that delivered the document or the sheriff, in this situation they are in effect the same person.
The Judge brought the man to court "BY" his sheriff. God the Father created the worlds "BY" His Son Jesus. Jesus indwells in us "BY" the Holy Spirit. The Judge and the sheriff are separate and distinct, God and Jesus are separate and distinct, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are separate and distinct.

I will comment on the remainder of your post later. Thanks

johnluke · Jun 12, 2014

Originally posted by jdbear

So are you reconciling these 2 scriptures by saying that there are 2 different kinds of glory. One kind of glory that God the Father doesn't give to another and another kind of glory that God the Father does give to others. If you are, you have to know how thin the ice is that you walk on. You have to know how much you are stretching to make a point.

You end with the word "right". No, not right? Listen again to what you are saying. One kind of glory God the Father holds to Himself and doesn't give to others, and another kind of glory God the Father gives away to others. It's a little too much spin that does not reconcile Isaiah and John.

I will comment on the remainder of the post later.

newbirth · Jun 12, 2014

jdbear said:

You are straining at trying to triangulate God I posted straight scripture not who is a person or not look at the scripture again.
But to us there is but one God, the Father,*of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ,*by whom are all things, and we by him.
All things between God and Christ there are no leftovers NO trinity

Bowman · Jun 12, 2014

Re: Deal with it...

newbirth said:

you have a brain right so lets work it out I say one you say three in one.
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
So my one God is claiming all things are of him and we in him. Ok now my one Lord is claiming all thing are by him and we by him.He in the Father and the Father in him Now it done there is nothing more to share.
You are right I don't know what the trinity is ...I know God is one...You say holy spirit is third person how come he gets no part of All. Doctrine of men you can fool some people some of the time but you cant fool all the people all the time.
Look at the intro in each of the epistles One God One Lord.

If you admit to not even knowing what The Trinity even is, then you cannot possibly say that it is not true.

You have nothing.

johnluke · Jun 13, 2014

Originally posted by jdbear

My statement that Jesus is the God of the Old Testament and in fact is the God of Israel, does not mean that he is God the Father. God the Father is a completely separate person than Jesus (God the Son). It is not that confusing unless you try to fuse the 2 entities into 1 being, then the spin begins and the confusion rolls forth. They are one God because they are of the same mind, and will, and thought, and purpose, but they are not 1 God because they are physically fused together.

johnluke · Jun 13, 2014

When you say you can't separate God from Jesus, you just need to ask Matthew how he did it (Matthew 3:16-17) and after you ponder this, ask Stephen how he did it (Acts 7:56), and after you ponder this, ask Mark how he did it (Mark 9:2-8), and then after you ponder this ask why God the Father Himself could do it (Hebrews 1:8).

You have mentioned Jehovah, who is the God of the OT, he is the Redeemer, He the Holy One of Israel, and he is Jesus Christ of the NT. But here is the question: Who is Elohim, the creator God of Genesis chapter 1 and who's name appears hundreds of times in the OT?

johnluke · Jun 13, 2014

First of all this statement that Jesus in the Son of the Spirit is not Biblical. Jesus is the Son of God. God the Father is separate from The Holy Spirit and that is exactly the reason that Jesus is the Son of God, not the Son of the Spirit.

The exact wording is in Luke 1:35 Gabriel tells Mary how it is to happen when he says, "The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the Power of the Highest shall overshadow thee, therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Now the way I interpret that explanation by Gabriel is this:
the Holy Spirit would indwell Mary, and God the Father (the power of the Highest) overshadows her (interesting verbiage) and do what was necessary to impregnate Mary without losing her virginity.
This scripture shows the 2 separate enties working hand in hand to bring Jesus into the world. The Holy Sprit in Mary and God the Father outside of Mary casting a shadow on her. Think about it. It is a great discussion topic.

newbirth · Jun 13, 2014

Re: Deal with it...

Bowman said:

The scripture prove you have nothing ...
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him .

Now you tell me, what part of ALL you don't understand? Why would I claim to understand something that does not exist. It does not exist so it cannot be true. The scripture is before you examine it don't argue with me. I post straight scripture from the bible not my opinion not my thoughts, what have you posted?

newbirth · Jun 13, 2014

johnluke said:

What is the point of all this, it does not prove anything, just an imagination gone wild. Jesus is the Word ..
[h=3]John 1:1-3[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

[h=3]1 John 1[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
[SUP]2 [/SUP](For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

[SUP]3 [/SUP]That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

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