There Are Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity

homwardbound · Jun 14, 2014

Be careful everyone to not strain out gnats and swallow a camel you all

Matthew 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

And the two shall be one and are one, yet two. Just as the body is one, but many parts to make one body

newbirth · Jun 14, 2014

jdbear said:

So are there two spirits or one spirit?

[h=3]Romans 8:8-11[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Bowman · Jun 14, 2014

Re: Deal with it...

newbirth said:

The scripture prove you have nothing ...
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him .

Now you tell me, what part of ALL you don't understand? Why would I claim to understand something that does not exist. It does not exist so it cannot be true. The scripture is before you examine it don't argue with me. I post straight scripture from the bible not my opinion not my thoughts, what have you posted?

And...?

How does this verse supposedly thwart The Trinity?

Hint: It doesn't.

Drett · Jun 14, 2014

Another thread that has gone on for more than 100 pages. One side is using revelation and the other is using human reasoning. Revelation beats human reasoning. Just look at the teachings of Jesus. The message was simple and attracted the poor and simple. Why complicate it now ?

newbirth · Jun 14, 2014

Re: Deal with it...

Bowman said:

Show me the holy spirit or anyone else in .. one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him .

I dare you...

[h=3]John 16:13-16[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

[h=3]Matthew 28:17-19[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Show me a scripture where all power is given to the Holy Ghost
Show me a scripture where anyone worship the Holy Ghost

Bowman · Jun 15, 2014

Drett said:

Good point.

We know that >75% of the Koran was wholesale paraphrased from the Biblical Book of Revelation....and this Book is ALL about Jesus' deity....thus, the authors of the Koran knew their material...

Bowman · Jun 15, 2014

Re: Deal with it...

newbirth said:

There are numerous scriptures that inform the reader that The Father is God...that The Son is God....that The Spirit is God.

What you try in vain to do is to IGNORE those scriptures in favor of a few hand-selected ones that you attempt to trump as valid for your Unitarian worldview.

This is intellectually dishonest and pathetic...

And...?

The singular name of God (Yahweh) is for Father, Son, Spirit....this is The Trinity.

Wake up.

There are scriptures which state that the Spirit created.....answers prayer....raises people from the dead...is worshiped as deity, etc, etc....same as it does for the Father, and The Son.

Wake up...

jdbear · Jun 15, 2014

I see the 3 Individuals as 1 God. I know the word "Trinity" isn't in the Bible, but I don't have a problem using a word which describes God as Three Persons in One.

How "Jesus" indwells us isn't the point. The point is, believers are the temple of God. The fact that Jesus included Himself as indwelling believers means that Jesus is God.

Brother, Jesus is a manifestation in flesh of the Only One God there is:

"Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the First and I am the Last and beside Me there is no God.

I hear what you're saying. I understand your concept and agree with you, but since the Bible clearly says there is only One God, the only way to reconcile another Being as God (such as "God the Son"), is to comprehend Him as appearing in different forms:

"...and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me." Is.45:21
There's no way around this bro.

There's no spin at all and the words aren't mine. Look at what He's saying:

"...My glory will I not give to another." Is.42:8
Gods own glory is reserved for Himself. He will not give it to anyone, but in speaking of our resurrection from the dead,

Paul said;
"There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption" 1 Co.15:41-42
We all receive the glory God gives us as He sees fit, but He isn't going to bestow on any of us the glory He is due.

It's more than having the same mind, will, thought and purpose. Holy angels have those things in common with God, but they aren't God. An angel once found that out the hard way.

Any scripture we can cite about Jesus simply shows God incarnate:

"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." Acts 20:38

Elohim is a Hebrew word that refers to any diety...real or false, but when it means God, it means the One and only God there is:

"Thus saith the LORD (Jehovah) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (Jehovah) of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God (Elohim)." Is.44:6

Jehovah is Elohim.

God is Spirit (Jn.4:24). Jesus is the Son of the Spirit.

The Holy Spirit works in our lives. This doesn't mean He isn't God.

"Come upon" and "overshadow" are the same act:

"...that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." Mt.1:20

The Holy Spirit is Jesus' Father. Jesus' Father is God.

newbirth · Jun 15, 2014

Re: Deal with it...

Bowman said:

There are numerous scriptures that inform the reader that The Father is God...that The Son is God....that The Spirit is God.

What you try in vain to do is to IGNORE those scriptures in favor of a few hand-selected ones that you attempt to trump as valid for your Unitarian worldview.

This is intellectually dishonest and pathetic...

And...?

The singular name of God (Yahweh) is for Father, Son, Spirit....this is The Trinity.

Wake up.

There are scriptures which state that the Spirit created.....answers prayer....raises people from the dead...is worshiped as deity, etc, etc....same as it does for the Father, and The Son.

Wake up...

Just one where the spirit is worshipped

newbirth · Jun 15, 2014

Re: Deal with it...

Bowman said:

Are you saying this is a lie....
one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him .

[h=3]1 Corinthians 1[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

[h=3]Galatians 1[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

[h=3]Ephesians 1[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

[h=3]1 John 1[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
[SUP]2 [/SUP](For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

[SUP]3 [/SUP]That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

[h=3]2 John 1[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]1 [/SUP]The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

[h=3]James 1[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

[h=3]Jude 1[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]1 [/SUP]Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

[h=3]Revelation 1[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
And...?
You are trying to make something what is not.

The singular name of God (Yahweh) is for Father, Son, Spirit....this is The Trinity.

Wake up.

There are scriptures which state that the Spirit created.....answers prayer....raises people from the dead...is worshiped as deity, etc, etc....same as it does for the Father, and The Son.

Wake up...

One God
[h=3]1 Corinthians 15:20-29[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]20 [/SUP]But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Seban · Jun 16, 2014

You are right..... There is only One God...... You may read my article on Godhead. http://bit.ly/1lGSDJE
I am sure it will help you....
Sebastian

jdbear · Jun 16, 2014

What do you think this means?

"By the word of the LORD were the heavens made and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth." Ps.33:6

homwardbound · Jun 16, 2014

To each their own, one views it this way and gives God thanks, where another sees it this way and gives God thanks, let each be fully convinced in their own mindsets, for God can and will show his children how to stand and not fight in the flesh carnal nature, causing his own to stand with the art of fighting without fighting by the hidden man of his new heart, the Holy Spirit of truth, for us all and to us all thanks the Jesus the Christ our propitiation for any and all sin errors we have done or might ever do
praying we all get it, all sitting in the arena in different seats from different views in the arena onto The Christ, the fatted calf for us each to share for unto Father by this fatted Calf, Jesus the Christ

johnluke · Jun 16, 2014

The word "trinity" means 3. It does not by definition mean 3 persons in 1. It really means 3 persons. Use it in any other context except Nicean Christology and you get 3 separate and distinct things. For example the trinity of Peter, Paul, and John went forth to preach the gospel does not describe Peter, Paul and John as 3 persons in 1 being going forth to preach the gospel, but describes 3 separate persons going together to preach the gospel.

Nicean Christology made up another word that is unbiblical to describe God, and that is "Persons". They used "Persons" for fear of using the word "Gods" because that would smack of "more than one God". They had to come up with some definition that included the 3 Gods, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, yet consolidate the 3 into 1 God. Then they could compete with the Jews and the Greek philosophers with a new, powerful Christian God, and a new, powerful definition of the Christian God, "the Holy Trinity" being defined as 3 "Persons" (not "Gods" but "Persons") in 1 God.

In the NT, however, there are 3 Gods.
1) God the Father in the heavens who sent Jesus and who Jesus testifies is in the heavens.
Who Jesus prayes to in the heavens.
Who is greater that Jesus in the heavens.
Who abandoned Jesus on the cross and stayed in the heavens for good reasons.
Who spoke from the heavens many times in the NT and said "this is my beloved son, hear him".
Whose name is Elohim, whom Jesus cried out to by name on the cross.

2) Our Lord Jesus Christ who is the Son of God the Father.
Who was Jehovah of the OT, the Redeemer of Israel, the Holy One of Israel.
Who is the incarnated God of the OT who came in the flesh to dwell on earth to be sacrificed for the sins of all mankind. Who today is not just spirit but has a body of resurrected flesh and bones.
Who on the cross cried out to his God and asked why his God had forsaken him. Interestingly, he also called his God by name. That name is Eloi, which is the singular of the plural name Elohim (remember the name Elohim, the forgotten God in the OT).
Who testified to Mary in the garden near the tomb to not touch him because he had not yet been to his Father who was in the heavens (does that sound familiar).
Who also told Mary at that time that he was going to His Father in the heavens and to his God (God the Son, God of the OT testifying that he has a God. Well we know that now, he is God the Father (Eloi), Jesus's God.
Who stands on the right hand of his God today awaiting the second coming when he will be sent again and come in brilliant glory to give the final testament of his Godhood.

3) The Holy Spririt who was sent by Jesus after he was resurrected and went to God the Father, for the purpose of testifying of all the truths that Jesus had taught.
Who is pure spirit so that he can indwell in people that believe and testify to their spirits that God is the Father and Jesus is his Son and is standing on the right hand of the Father until the second coming takes place.

Believe me the NT does testify that the Trinity really means what is supposed to convey, and that is the number 3. The NT gives the 3 the name of "Godhead". The 3 work so closely and in such harmonic unison together that they are in effect 1 God, but they are 3. Its not confusing, it all makes sense. They work so closely and with such unison that they can say that there is no other God beside me and mean it. Yet they manifest themselves at the baptism of Christ as 3 separate individuals.

newbirth · Jun 16, 2014

homwardbound said:

God is not the author of confusion.You think it is OK to teach false doctrine. We must have unity ,one view in the church of God.
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

StoneThrower · Jun 16, 2014

Swingalong said:

I am sorry, I thought this was Christian chat?
If you believe that than your not, so why are you here?
Orthodox Christianity (2000 years of accepted church belief) says that you are a heretic.
Have you considered Jesus Baptism, were all three persons of the trinity are present?

StoneThrower · Jun 16, 2014

RuthHannah said:

Depends if you believe in a Diachotomy or Trichotomy.

StoneThrower · Jun 16, 2014

thecreationtutor said:

She is problaby a Oneness Pentacostal, who are modelist, like TD Jakes which has its roots in the Sabellianism heresy.

StoneThrower · Jun 16, 2014

secularhermit said:

Sir, if you believe that, you are hopeless, helpless and lost!
If you are counting on your deeds which are like filthy rags (used menstrual rags), you have no savior from sin, and if you are not morally perfect, which no one is other than Christ, you are dammed to hell without the righteousness of Christ being imputed to your account. All your deeds will get you, is Gods full wrath poured out upon you.
Your salvation most assuredly depends on what you believe, as wrong beliefs will send you to hell, if you are trusting in anything other than Christ and the finished work on the cross. If Jesus Christ isn’t fully God and fully man then he cannot be an acceptable sacrifice for sin. Believing in the wrong Jesus is nothing more than idolatry.
Gods provided his word so that you can know him, and I would refer you to eph 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

StoneThrower · Jun 16, 2014

tripsin said:

He also said I and the father are one, and that no man commeth unto the father but by me!

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