Should we follow Christ, or follow Christ’s Father or follow a triune God?
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Don't you think that you can have the motive of love for the Lord and still hear all the Lord has to say about the law, and, with the motive of love in your heart for God, know and follow everything God says?
The 119th Psalm is the longest psalm of all, yet it is all about law, and it is so filled with love it practically shines on the page.
The 119th Psalm is the longest psalm of all, yet it is all about law, and it is so filled with love it practically shines on the page.
Quite the contrary, only with the motive of LOVE for the LORD, can you hear all that HE says about the LAW.
John 10:27 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP]My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
AGAIN, that term "I know them" is that born again inner personal LOVE relationship where we lovingly submit to HIM as Master and LORD.
John 10:27 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP]My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
AGAIN, that term "I know them" is that born again inner personal LOVE relationship where we lovingly submit to HIM as Master and LORD.
As I was reading through all the posts as of yesterday, and this morning, several things come to mind. Moses and Elijah didn't need an introduction on the mount of transfiguration. They knew exactly who Christ Jesus was because Jesus had spoken to both of them while they were still on this earth hundreds of years before. If Abraham would have been there it would have been the same for him also. Who actually changed Abram's name to Abraham, and Sarai's name to Sarah? Our Savior Jesus Christ. The Bible proves this when we read Colossians chapter 1. Christ is the creator of all things, including the law that Moses recorded after hearing Him, and what Elijah wrote after hearing Him. We all know Jesus is the Word from the beginning according to John 1:1. Why should we want to endorse a thought process that says something different than the truth concerning our Lord and Savior?
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The law says While driving if you meet a red traffic light it means to stop. The law also says You must obey a police officer in uniform directing traffic giving that police officer authority over the traffic light. If you find yourself in that traffic situation do you tell the police officer ,no sir I am not going through that red light it is against the law. Christ died to redeem us from the law. And the word of God coming through anyone remains the word of God so you are not obeying the person but God. And God has given Christ the final authority."hear Him"
Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
Paul was careful to note this and still some use it as scripture.
1 Corinthians 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
Paul was careful to note this and still some use it as scripture.
1 Corinthians 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
Again I must apologize for not giving you enough information to understand EXACTLY what I mean when I use the term "LOVE for the LORD".
I am NOT talking about the LOVE one has for a friend or brother, which is [FONT=Gentium !important]phileô [/FONT] in the Greek.
I am talking about the KIND of LOVE that comes from GOD when HE puts the Holy Spirit in you, which is [FONT=Gentium !important]agapê[/FONT]
from [FONT=Gentium !important]agapaô[/FONT] in the Greek. That kind of unconditional, total self-sacrificial LOVE, can ONLY be generated in us by the Holy Spirit.
Romans 5:5 (ESV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love ([FONT=Gentium !important]agapê [/FONT]from [FONT=Gentium !important]agapaô[/FONT])has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.
Look what we miss in the Conversation below, if we do not know the different forms of the Greek words that we translate to LOVE in English:
John 21:15-17 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] When they had eaten breakfast, Jesus asked Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love ([FONT=Gentium !important]agapaô[/FONT]) Me more than these?” “Yes, Lord,” he said to Him, “You know that I love ([FONT=Gentium !important]phileô[/FONT]) You.” “Feed My lambs,” He told him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] A second time He asked him, “Simon, son of John, do you love ([FONT=Gentium !important]agapaô[/FONT]) Me?” “Yes, Lord,” he said to Him, “You know that I love ([FONT=Gentium !important]phileô[/FONT]) You.” “Shepherd My sheep,” He told him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He asked him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love ([FONT=Gentium !important]phileô[/FONT]) Me?” Peter was grieved that He asked him the third time, “Do you love ([FONT=Gentium !important]phileô[/FONT]) Me?” He said, “Lord, You know everything! You know that I love ([FONT=Gentium !important]phileô[/FONT]) You.” “Feed My sheep,” Jesus said.
Why was Peter unable to say “You know that I love ([FONT=Gentium !important]agapaô[/FONT])You.”?
John 14:16-17 (ASV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may be with you for ever,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] even the Spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive; for it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth him: ye know him; for he abideth with you, and shall be in you.
Jesus was the Comforter, during HIS earthly ministry, but God's ([FONT=Gentium !important]agapaô[/FONT]) LOVE, comes with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. I guarantee you that Peter had no problem saying it the Day of Pentecost and thereafter.
A lot of people trivialize and a few even make fun of being BORN AGAIN, but it is absolutely CRITICAL, because that is when the Holy Spirit indwells us, placing God's ([FONT=Gentium !important]agapaô[/FONT]) LOVE in us.
John 3:3 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
John 3:5-7 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
I believe it is impossible to please the LORD without God's ([FONT=Gentium !important]agapaô[/FONT]) LOVE in us, because that is the starting point of coming through the Narrow gate. We step through that Narrow Gate, when we admit to GOD we are sinners, mourning over our sinfulness, and out of ([FONT=Gentium !important]agapaô[/FONT]) LOVE receive Jesus Christian as LORD, which means MASTER.
Matthew 7:13-14 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Matthew 7:22-23 (NKJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
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This explains my position so very well! We must put on the mind of God to understand.
In the spiritual world, God has a place prepared for us we can go to, only in this place you can't bring along those times you didn't stop at the stop sign, so God sent His son with a get home free, I'll pay your fine card.
However, God knew that if He didn't arrange this world with some traffic signals (we call them Ten Commandments and laws) we would get in all kinds of accidents, like man did before the flood when they ignored all of those traffic signs. No one was safe, then. So the policeman is going to enforce the laws, God set it up so it just happens naturally as the way this world works, God did it for our protection. But with God, we just pull out our faith in Christ as the free card, and we get all sorts of benefits with this card.
In the spiritual world, God has a place prepared for us we can go to, only in this place you can't bring along those times you didn't stop at the stop sign, so God sent His son with a get home free, I'll pay your fine card.
However, God knew that if He didn't arrange this world with some traffic signals (we call them Ten Commandments and laws) we would get in all kinds of accidents, like man did before the flood when they ignored all of those traffic signs. No one was safe, then. So the policeman is going to enforce the laws, God set it up so it just happens naturally as the way this world works, God did it for our protection. But with God, we just pull out our faith in Christ as the free card, and we get all sorts of benefits with this card.
Nothing about Christ is the policeman. Christ is love, Christ is the "get free card". The policeman is what happens to us in this world when we sin.
David lived it. He loved the Lord with all his heart and mind, but he committed some pretty bad sins. God forgave David, scripture tells how God loved him and forgave, but David paid dearly for his sins on this earth. He loved his children dearly and they were such a disappointment to him, he hadn't disciplined them. His first little son with Bathsheba died, even.
David lived it. He loved the Lord with all his heart and mind, but he committed some pretty bad sins. God forgave David, scripture tells how God loved him and forgave, but David paid dearly for his sins on this earth. He loved his children dearly and they were such a disappointment to him, he hadn't disciplined them. His first little son with Bathsheba died, even.
You are right, we are to submit to authority's placed over us.
Romans 13:1-8 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God's ministers attending continually to this very thing.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
I know someone will mention Adolf Hitler, stating you are telling us to submit to evil. NO, GOD reserves the right to bring an enemy army against an evil ruler, and HE DID.
BUT in my opinion, IF they are not forcing us to do evil in the sight of GOD, then we are to submit to that governing authority, even if it cross grains with our personal political opinions.
NOW here is the one that many Christians still struggle with obeying today.
1 Peter 2:13-21 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bond servants of God.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Servants, be submissive to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
The 55 m.p.h. speed limit (or whatever it is posted at), IT IS AN ORDINANCE OF MAN. Because of what GOD had Peter say above, it certainly is SIN to break the speed limit. It is willful disobedience against GOD and rebellion against the authority that is placed over you. GOD even gave you the TOOLS you need to stop inadvertently sinning by breaking the speed limit. They are called the brake and cruse control. Many Christians who think they no longer sin, fail to consider speeding sin. But it is certainly is SIN.
Romans 13:1-8 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God's ministers attending continually to this very thing.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
I know someone will mention Adolf Hitler, stating you are telling us to submit to evil. NO, GOD reserves the right to bring an enemy army against an evil ruler, and HE DID.
BUT in my opinion, IF they are not forcing us to do evil in the sight of GOD, then we are to submit to that governing authority, even if it cross grains with our personal political opinions.
NOW here is the one that many Christians still struggle with obeying today.
1 Peter 2:13-21 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bond servants of God.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Servants, be submissive to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
The 55 m.p.h. speed limit (or whatever it is posted at), IT IS AN ORDINANCE OF MAN. Because of what GOD had Peter say above, it certainly is SIN to break the speed limit. It is willful disobedience against GOD and rebellion against the authority that is placed over you. GOD even gave you the TOOLS you need to stop inadvertently sinning by breaking the speed limit. They are called the brake and cruse control. Many Christians who think they no longer sin, fail to consider speeding sin. But it is certainly is SIN.
not only get free...
- John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
this is funny it is like saying it is better to disobey than to obey with motive....why do we obey isn't it because we love God so we must have motive , the motive is to please him. Obeying God without motive will become like being forced to obey.
- Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
[h=3]2 Thessalonians 1:7-9[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[SUP]8 [/SUP]In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
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I think reading the threads, they already gave you enough verses. I am not here to change your mind (Its God's part) but to present the truth.
You quoted 1 Corinthians 15, and conclude that there is only one God - the Father and Jesus Christ is not God and not one with the Father. Therefore, you are saying that Apostle Paul (in 1 Corinthians) is contradicting Jesus Christ ( in John 10:30) are you presenting that there is inaccuracy in the Bible? The Bible is the PERFECT Word of a PERFECT God. No wrongs and mistakes.
Why it is so hard to believe that God can manifest in three different ways? is there anything difficult to God? All things are possible to God right?
Which is much better? to Believe there is One God that manifest Himself in the lives of His people in three different ways or there is two gods that need to be worship plus the Holy Spirit?. Human limited mind made things complicated. Stop trying to fugure all things out and start trusting Jesus Christ when He say that the "Father and I is one" and "the Holy Spirit remains in Him (Jesus Christ)
You quoted 1 Corinthians 15, and conclude that there is only one God - the Father and Jesus Christ is not God and not one with the Father. Therefore, you are saying that Apostle Paul (in 1 Corinthians) is contradicting Jesus Christ ( in John 10:30) are you presenting that there is inaccuracy in the Bible? The Bible is the PERFECT Word of a PERFECT God. No wrongs and mistakes.
Why it is so hard to believe that God can manifest in three different ways? is there anything difficult to God? All things are possible to God right?
Which is much better? to Believe there is One God that manifest Himself in the lives of His people in three different ways or there is two gods that need to be worship plus the Holy Spirit?. Human limited mind made things complicated. Stop trying to fugure all things out and start trusting Jesus Christ when He say that the "Father and I is one" and "the Holy Spirit remains in Him (Jesus Christ)
[SUP]27 [/SUP]My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]I and my Father are one.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
God is showing you a truth and you refuse to accept...how many times have you read these same scripture and never noticed this. Read the red lines....ask yourself whose hands are you in then read the red lines again.
Now take your time and read this....
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
So you will understand this...
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]I and my Father are one.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
God is showing you a truth and you refuse to accept...how many times have you read these same scripture and never noticed this. Read the red lines....ask yourself whose hands are you in then read the red lines again.
Now take your time and read this....
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
So you will understand this...
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.