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Angela the name it and claim it, blab it and grab it cult is wrong, but do you believe in sowing and reaping?
Sowing and reaping is everywhere in the Bible, it seems to me what is lost on the majority of the body is simple. If you believe that a man/woman sows what he reaps as far as sin and carnality is concerned.
Then why is it so hard to believe if you sow money you will not reap a blessing?
While WOF movement is out there and has really taken the principal to the extreme and it is very wrong and a false teaching.
The original bible principal of sowing and reaping and getting blessing in return for giving is all over the entire Bible and taught by Jesus himself in the NT.
Sowing and reaping is everywhere in the Bible, it seems to me what is lost on the majority of the body is simple. If you believe that a man/woman sows what he reaps as far as sin and carnality is concerned.
Then why is it so hard to believe if you sow money you will not reap a blessing?
While WOF movement is out there and has really taken the principal to the extreme and it is very wrong and a false teaching.
The original bible principal of sowing and reaping and getting blessing in return for giving is all over the entire Bible and taught by Jesus himself in the NT.
Again im not here to debate I aint going to get into a long discussion that leads no where I can give scripture and draw out a long conversation but then where would that lead nowhere I would rather continue seeking The Kingdom and His righteousness 
so rather you agree or disagree with the principles I have shared I really dont care there will always be skeptics
so rather you agree or disagree with the principles I have shared I really dont care there will always be skeptics
Again im not here to debate I aint going to get into a long discussion that leads no where I can give scripture and draw out a long conversation but then where would that lead nowhere I would rather continue seeking The Kingdom and His righteousness so rather you agree or disagree with the principles I have shared I really dont care there will always be skeptics
so rather you agree or disagree with the principles I have shared I really dont care there will always be skeptics
How does what you so proudly state line up with what Jesus said? What should it profit a man if he should gain the whole world and lose his own soul? What shall a man give in exchange for his soul? Additionally it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
What you really don't care about is the truth. You just troll on by and stir up strife and discord.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The prosperity theology is believe that Christian must wealthy and healthy
I don't think that Christian must wealthy/physically and healthy Physically.
If Christian always healthy physically, than no body die.
If Christian always Wealthy than why the Lord in rev 2: 9 said
[SUP]9[/SUP] I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
If you eyes cause you sin, take it out.
If you wealth cause you sin, take it out
I don't think that Christian must wealthy/physically and healthy Physically.
If Christian always healthy physically, than no body die.
If Christian always Wealthy than why the Lord in rev 2: 9 said
[SUP]9[/SUP] I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
If you eyes cause you sin, take it out.
If you wealth cause you sin, take it out
T
Only modern day traditions and religion has said Christians cannot be rich and that some how woe and poe is the definition of humility and being humble and Pastors should be the lowest paid of anyone.
Have any of you ever thought about how much expense Paul, Peter and the rest needed to do their work?
Roger, I am not picking on you, but you did ask how rich the apostles were...I would say very rich.
Let's consider the story in Luke 5.1-11
A lot of people are taught and only told that Peter's great catch was a sign or miracle that compelled him to become a fisher of men. However, if you study this out a bit, Jesus was doing something else here.
I find it interesting that When Peter obeyed Jesus and said "nevertheless at thy word" He got the greatest catch of his life, in fact it took 2 boats to haul in the catch and their nets were breaking and both boats began to sink. Peter actually got double for his trouble...some of you all need to let that sink in your spirit for awahile
Folks, this was not 4 guys and 2 jon boats or row boats.
If you study out fisherman during Peters time, these were fishing boats that were like modern day fishing ships.
I believe that Jesus' miracle actually financed the way for Peter to follow him...why?
Peter was an experienced fisherman, Jesus was a carpenter, and in Luke 5 Peter fished all night and only caught a cold.
When Jesus, who knew nothing about fishing,asked Peter to cast out again and on the other side,
Peter could have said NO, thought that Jesus was crazy or anything else an experienced fisherman might have go through his head.
Instead Peter Obeyed and received the greatest catch of his life, which probably paid for his family to live and have life abundantly for the next 3 years or even more, while peter was gone.
In simple terms, Jesus financed Peter's to be able to follow him.
Modern religion and self-righteous pride say Christians cannot be blessed financially and beyond measure, for their obedience to God's word and following him, yet Luke 5 proves without any doubt that if you obey and follow Jesus, he will make a way, when there seems to be no way.
Some of you think Jesus was some poor guy looking for hand outs and was preaching woe and poe. This is not at all what the Bible tells us. Judas held the bag and many women financed Jesus and his disciples[see Luke 8]
Paul was a tent maker and this was considered one of wealthiest trades of his time, because of the high demand for the product and the fact is was considered a skilled trade that not everyone could have , but wanted to have, because it paid so well.
Some of you need to seriously re-evaluate what the Bible says about things like this. The WOF movement has without question taken this to heresy.
But to say that God does not want you blessed and blessed abundantly is actually worse than anything WOF has done, because you are simply saying the Bible is not true. Peter and his family were financed so he could follow Jesus.
It is evident there are many here that have no idea or clue how much ministry costs today or even back then and tha being blessed abundantly is a SIN...
Have any of you ever thought about how much expense Paul, Peter and the rest needed to do their work?
Roger, I am not picking on you, but you did ask how rich the apostles were...I would say very rich.
Let's consider the story in Luke 5.1-11
A lot of people are taught and only told that Peter's great catch was a sign or miracle that compelled him to become a fisher of men. However, if you study this out a bit, Jesus was doing something else here.
I find it interesting that When Peter obeyed Jesus and said "nevertheless at thy word" He got the greatest catch of his life, in fact it took 2 boats to haul in the catch and their nets were breaking and both boats began to sink. Peter actually got double for his trouble...some of you all need to let that sink in your spirit for awahile
Folks, this was not 4 guys and 2 jon boats or row boats.
If you study out fisherman during Peters time, these were fishing boats that were like modern day fishing ships.
I believe that Jesus' miracle actually financed the way for Peter to follow him...why?
Peter was an experienced fisherman, Jesus was a carpenter, and in Luke 5 Peter fished all night and only caught a cold.
When Jesus, who knew nothing about fishing,asked Peter to cast out again and on the other side,
Peter could have said NO, thought that Jesus was crazy or anything else an experienced fisherman might have go through his head.
Instead Peter Obeyed and received the greatest catch of his life, which probably paid for his family to live and have life abundantly for the next 3 years or even more, while peter was gone.
In simple terms, Jesus financed Peter's to be able to follow him.
Modern religion and self-righteous pride say Christians cannot be blessed financially and beyond measure, for their obedience to God's word and following him, yet Luke 5 proves without any doubt that if you obey and follow Jesus, he will make a way, when there seems to be no way.
Some of you think Jesus was some poor guy looking for hand outs and was preaching woe and poe. This is not at all what the Bible tells us. Judas held the bag and many women financed Jesus and his disciples[see Luke 8]
Paul was a tent maker and this was considered one of wealthiest trades of his time, because of the high demand for the product and the fact is was considered a skilled trade that not everyone could have , but wanted to have, because it paid so well.
Some of you need to seriously re-evaluate what the Bible says about things like this. The WOF movement has without question taken this to heresy.
But to say that God does not want you blessed and blessed abundantly is actually worse than anything WOF has done, because you are simply saying the Bible is not true. Peter and his family were financed so he could follow Jesus.
It is evident there are many here that have no idea or clue how much ministry costs today or even back then and tha being blessed abundantly is a SIN...
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You know ...I had wonderful loving pastors who I know loved me so much. I attended a hillsong type church because I loved God and I loved the praise and worship. I never ever would have believed that any of what they were teaching me was anything but the truth, because it was in the bible.
One day one of a visiting pastor came to teach bible study and quoted a Kenneth someone. . And told us that we were little Gods and that Jesus no longer had authority on earth cause Hed given it to us. My pastors were laughing and clapping to this...my spirit screamed nnoooooo. I Googled that Kenneth guy.. well lets just say within a week I had left that church. I still love my pastors but I refuse to financially support false teaching.
I honestly love God with all my heart. I truly thought I was seeking His truth. If you are standing in a church were millions of people attend similar teachings then that should have been my first eye opening.
God says many are called and few are chosen.
Wide is the gate that leads to destruction and many enter thru it. God tells us to enter thru the narrow gate
One day one of a visiting pastor came to teach bible study and quoted a Kenneth someone. . And told us that we were little Gods and that Jesus no longer had authority on earth cause Hed given it to us. My pastors were laughing and clapping to this...my spirit screamed nnoooooo. I Googled that Kenneth guy.. well lets just say within a week I had left that church. I still love my pastors but I refuse to financially support false teaching.
I honestly love God with all my heart. I truly thought I was seeking His truth. If you are standing in a church were millions of people attend similar teachings then that should have been my first eye opening.
God says many are called and few are chosen.
Wide is the gate that leads to destruction and many enter thru it. God tells us to enter thru the narrow gate
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While there are false teachers everywhere, you would be wise to study the word, before you cast such a wide blanket on what you are calling false. False teachers take a solid and proven Bible Prinicipal and then twist it enough to justify whatever it is they are trying to teach.
The key here is understanding and knowing the word of God enough to discern what is totally false, but may be based on Biblical truth.
The key here is understanding and knowing the word of God enough to discern what is totally false, but may be based on Biblical truth.
I don't know if I totally agree with you - go read the book of Job as he sounded pretty prosperous to me before his test and even more so after Job's test and it was said he had the most beautiful daughters also...I am not so sure that being prosperous is evil..... Abraham was also well off as he and Lot could not feed their cattle in the same area..... Just saying....
Being prosperous is not evil that is correct, but what this faith movement claim is anyone can be well off and rich as long as you do things right and have enough belief and heres the get out clause, it could take a life time before you see the rewards!
If you go back and read my previous posts I cover it all in that, so I wont repeat myself.
If you go back and read my previous posts I cover it all in that, so I wont repeat myself.
I believe we have to understand bible as the whole picture.
God priority concern is our eternal prosperity not temporary prosperity.
If we able to handle temporary prosperity it is OK, but God priority is eternal prosperity.
If you eyes cause you sin, take it of. Mean:
If you healthy eyes cause you sin make it not healthy.
Is that mean God want you to be sick?
If it for sake of eternal health yes, temporary sick is the will of God.
If you wealth cause you sin and have another girl friend beside you wife. than take it of.
It is mean that God want you to be poor?
Yes for the sake of eternal wealth in heaven forever, God want you to be poor in some situation.
to be christian is to focus thing above not temporary wealth and health.
That is why the Lord permit Stephen die, sick cause by stone. God can heal it right on the spot, because God is omnipotent.
But God have more for Stephen and led him die of his sick. He have heaven/mansion for Stephen.
God priority concern is our eternal prosperity not temporary prosperity.
If we able to handle temporary prosperity it is OK, but God priority is eternal prosperity.
If you eyes cause you sin, take it of. Mean:
If you healthy eyes cause you sin make it not healthy.
Is that mean God want you to be sick?
If it for sake of eternal health yes, temporary sick is the will of God.
If you wealth cause you sin and have another girl friend beside you wife. than take it of.
It is mean that God want you to be poor?
Yes for the sake of eternal wealth in heaven forever, God want you to be poor in some situation.
to be christian is to focus thing above not temporary wealth and health.
That is why the Lord permit Stephen die, sick cause by stone. God can heal it right on the spot, because God is omnipotent.
But God have more for Stephen and led him die of his sick. He have heaven/mansion for Stephen.
I am not so sure they were all very poor, Paul was very well educated and I can't imagine that free even back in Jesus day and Luke was a doctor, so I think some of them may have had some sort of means , but you are right in that probably none of them were Bill Gates rich. We must be willing to give up and sacrifice everything for Jesus, but it does not mean that those who are prosperous don't love the Lord either, just have to learn to trust God and not the money.
I am not one of those who thinks that the Lord owes me wealth and health just because I follow him and it is a little irritating to see or hear the Lord wants you wealthy preachers out there, but there is nothing evil about being prosperous and following God either when your heart is 100% following Jesus. Somebody has to pay for the missions and even Nicodemus took care of Jesus burial.
I think it is the attitude and the closeness to God that makes all the difference one way or the other. Is the wealth for a holy purpose or your own personal purpose?
This man is at Rodney Howard-Browne's church. This fellow himself is a false teacher/prophet.
Not only that, there's DOZENS of sites & videos stating that Angel is also.
Prophet Angel says he is Zimbabwe's most educated pastor :: Harare24 News
Birds of a feather flock together. If a minister can't discern the spirit of a false prophet, It's because they are like-minded.
Any minister that runs with a false prophet/teacher is usually one themselves.
SOE, as a Pentecostal minister I would recommend that you leave these people immediately for your own spiritual safety.
Not only that, there's DOZENS of sites & videos stating that Angel is also.
Prophet Angel says he is Zimbabwe's most educated pastor :: Harare24 News
Birds of a feather flock together. If a minister can't discern the spirit of a false prophet, It's because they are like-minded.
Any minister that runs with a false prophet/teacher is usually one themselves.
SOE, as a Pentecostal minister I would recommend that you leave these people immediately for your own spiritual safety.