You have three different parties in question. I was only defending the use of a question to answer a question, and then a third party came in (who I guess was also involved) and objected to my tactic. I don't care to be dragged in any further to a personal issue between other parties. That's why I suggested for the one to PM the other.
Grace and Law are married....
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No one is dragging anyone anywhere, If you didn't want to be involved then you shouldn't have implied for him to discuss anything further as the question was irrelevant. He was only apologizing to you for stooping to someone else's level. There is nothing to discuss in private, with that said let this be the end.
This is pin pointing the split in the church that is coming to be more and more serious! Is there one God with one voice, or different God's at different times, with different voices for different people? The old school people are pinning there entire lives on there being different Gods. The new is to make everything new. With every finding that is dug up of information about what the old was really like, the more it is saying that the new is built on the old. For instance, of the 812 scrolls found at Qumran, scrolls originally written between the third century BC and about 62 AD, most were in Hebrew, even classical Hebrew. Before, most scholars thought Hebrew was a dead language by that time.
The idea that Christ got rid of so much when Christ made new is being debunked with facts more and more. Paul's scripture has been read as advocating getting rid of the old as the new is learned is being looked at carefully, and I really think the idea of Paul saying we must throw out Moses is being proven to be a wrong idea.
The idea that Christ got rid of so much when Christ made new is being debunked with facts more and more. Paul's scripture has been read as advocating getting rid of the old as the new is learned is being looked at carefully, and I really think the idea of Paul saying we must throw out Moses is being proven to be a wrong idea.
Paul is very misunderstood and still is to this day. Just read (2 Peter 3) To see that.
2Peter 3:14-18
14So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
17Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position. 18But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.
2Peter 3:14-18
14So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
17Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position. 18But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.
He was belly aching to me about his problem with someone else. I always refer them to PM that person. It had nothing to do with my comment that ''Jesus often answered a question with a question''. He could have objected to my statement instead. And maybe you should jump on his case instead also...pleeease.
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If Jesus died and the law still applies to us, them why did Jesus die for us? Why do we need to put are hope on him if he is a mere example that it is possible to live without sin?
We are made spotless and pure through Christ our Lord and therefore I am at peace with the Lord, I believe what Paul is saying in those passages achduke that those who are living by the law are not at peace with him as we sin. Let me ask you and everyone who says the law still applies to us, do you live without sin?
We are righteous through our saviour, why else would he be Lord and "Saviour"?
as a side note, what do you define the Law as?
We are made spotless and pure through Christ our Lord and therefore I am at peace with the Lord, I believe what Paul is saying in those passages achduke that those who are living by the law are not at peace with him as we sin. Let me ask you and everyone who says the law still applies to us, do you live without sin?
We are righteous through our saviour, why else would he be Lord and "Saviour"?
as a side note, what do you define the Law as?
I believe the Law still applies in that through Grace and Faith the Holy Spirit guides us through not sinning. By the blood of Christ our sins are forgiven. Without that forgiveness I am not sure the Holy Spirit would even come for without Christ we would still be in our sin. We are saved by Faith but those that are saved have good Fruit (Obeying God and not Sinning). Will we still sin? Yes. As in Paul we fight with the flesh but our mind and heart want to do away with sin if we have the Holy Spirit guiding us. I myself want to keep all God's Laws and Feasts. Not because I am saved by doing so but because I Love and want to obey God.
Yes, truly beloved, but this depends on which level of Spiritual knowledge you are on. Okay, let us start with what you want to know about the sound doctrine knowledge, to add/supplement to your faith, by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT?
There is a battle going on with itching ears, but we are to stick to what has been written and established and taught to move forward with CHRIST and fight a Good fight, for CHRIST's Kingdom of GOD, through the HOLY SPIRIT's Help.
Please go ahead then and how may i as 'one' serve you.
There is a battle going on with itching ears, but we are to stick to what has been written and established and taught to move forward with CHRIST and fight a Good fight, for CHRIST's Kingdom of GOD, through the HOLY SPIRIT's Help.
Please go ahead then and how may i as 'one' serve you.
Yes, we are the promised future born again and resurrected with CHRIST's practitioners, according to the New Covenant Spiritual contents, which the Living GOD established through CHRIST and the HOLY SPIRIT and made with us all and that is why we partake them all as the Holy Communion in remembrance to them all, checking our own given life, in faith whether we ourselves are 'abiding' and be conformed for our witnessing, to a multitude of witnesses, as the church is walking the walk of their MESSIAH, in 'abiding' in all of them that is HIS words in JESUS of spirit and life.
And so through 'abiding' in all of them, the righteousness of the Old Law and the Prophets, shall be fulfilled in them. They only look back and quote to witnesses, that they are fulfilling them according to the New Covenant sound doctrine Spiritual knowledge has conformed in bodily spirit in them and they are willing to lay down their flesh/carnal life for them.
And so through 'abiding' in all of them, the righteousness of the Old Law and the Prophets, shall be fulfilled in them. They only look back and quote to witnesses, that they are fulfilling them according to the New Covenant sound doctrine Spiritual knowledge has conformed in bodily spirit in them and they are willing to lay down their flesh/carnal life for them.
Grace and Law are married or Divorced? or Dead to the First Husband (Law)?
:1 Or are ye ignorant, brethren (for I speak to men who know the law), that the law hath dominion over a man for so long time as he liveth? 2 For the woman that hath a husband is bound by law to the husband while he liveth; but if the husband die, she is discharged from the law of the husband. 3 So then if, while the husband liveth, she be joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if the husband die, she is free from the law, so that she is no adulteress, though she be joined to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also were made dead to the law through the body of Christ; that ye should be joined to another, even to him who was raised from the dead, that we might bring forth fruit unto God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were through the law, wrought in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6 But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that wherein we were held; so that we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Let it not be so. Howbeit, I had not known sin, except through the law: for I had not known coveting, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet: 8 but sin, finding occasion, wrought in me through the commandment all manner of coveting: for apart from the law sin is dead. 9 And I was alive apart from the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died; 10 and the commandment, which was unto life, this I found to be unto death: 11 for sin, finding occasion, through the commandment beguiled me, and through it slew me.
< Rom 7
:1 Or are ye ignorant, brethren (for I speak to men who know the law), that the law hath dominion over a man for so long time as he liveth? 2 For the woman that hath a husband is bound by law to the husband while he liveth; but if the husband die, she is discharged from the law of the husband. 3 So then if, while the husband liveth, she be joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if the husband die, she is free from the law, so that she is no adulteress, though she be joined to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also were made dead to the law through the body of Christ; that ye should be joined to another, even to him who was raised from the dead, that we might bring forth fruit unto God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were through the law, wrought in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6 But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that wherein we were held; so that we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Let it not be so. Howbeit, I had not known sin, except through the law: for I had not known coveting, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet: 8 but sin, finding occasion, wrought in me through the commandment all manner of coveting: for apart from the law sin is dead. 9 And I was alive apart from the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died; 10 and the commandment, which was unto life, this I found to be unto death: 11 for sin, finding occasion, through the commandment beguiled me, and through it slew me.
< Rom 7
Re: Grace and Law are married or Divorced? or Dead to the First Husband (Law)?
You must read the whole chapter, in light of the whole Bible, in order to get the flavor of what Paul is saying. Without using the whole Bible to interpret the Bible you could use the Bible to prove there is no God.
Psalm 53:1 “There is no God.”
You must read the whole chapter, in light of the whole Bible, in order to get the flavor of what Paul is saying. Without using the whole Bible to interpret the Bible you could use the Bible to prove there is no God.
Psalm 53:1 “There is no God.”
I believe there is a new covenant. I believe there is an old covenant. I believe that God is eternal, God is one, and scripture says so. You cannot believe both that God is one way at one time, for one people God created and another way for another time for a people God sees as completely separately created and still be able to say that God is one and that God is eternal.
Re: Grace and Law are married or Divorced? or Dead to the First Husband (Law)?
The Law makes sin exceedingly sinful (Romans 7:13). It doesn't say the Law makes sin sin, it says it makes sin exceedingly sinful and sin brings guilt and condemnation upon sinners. Are you a sinner? Yes! Will you ever cease to struggle with sin in this life? No! (Romans 7:24) Unless you reckon yourself dead the Law (Romans 6:11) you will never experience new life to serve God through Christ. This is not saying the Law is sin nor is it saying the Law is done away with (Romans 7:22). As a matter of fact, it says the Law is good (Romans 7:12-13). Those in Christ love the Law because it reveals the character of God but with the same heart of love for the Law we understand we are not perfect and are always in the struggle with the flesh. The outward man will always be at odds with the Law while the inward man delights in the Law. It surely is a battle but that battle has been won by Christ so, though the outward man struggles with the Law, we know the victory at the end of the story for those who are in Christ.
So what does the whole Bible say regarding the Law? Does it say God is going to do away with it or does it say God is going to write it on our hearts and minds? The Bible says God will write His Law on our hearts and minds so that means He is not doing away with it so you should never interpret the verses to say He is doing away with it.
The Law makes sin exceedingly sinful (Romans 7:13). It doesn't say the Law makes sin sin, it says it makes sin exceedingly sinful and sin brings guilt and condemnation upon sinners. Are you a sinner? Yes! Will you ever cease to struggle with sin in this life? No! (Romans 7:24) Unless you reckon yourself dead the Law (Romans 6:11) you will never experience new life to serve God through Christ. This is not saying the Law is sin nor is it saying the Law is done away with (Romans 7:22). As a matter of fact, it says the Law is good (Romans 7:12-13). Those in Christ love the Law because it reveals the character of God but with the same heart of love for the Law we understand we are not perfect and are always in the struggle with the flesh. The outward man will always be at odds with the Law while the inward man delights in the Law. It surely is a battle but that battle has been won by Christ so, though the outward man struggles with the Law, we know the victory at the end of the story for those who are in Christ.
So what does the whole Bible say regarding the Law? Does it say God is going to do away with it or does it say God is going to write it on our hearts and minds? The Bible says God will write His Law on our hearts and minds so that means He is not doing away with it so you should never interpret the verses to say He is doing away with it.
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