Victoria OSTEEN SAID WHAT!!!!

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In NLP, Neuro-Linguistic Programming, one of the "tells" for lying is rapid eye blinking. I've never seen Osteen not blink rapidly as he delivers his sermons at his church. I was thinking it as due to the bright lights and he may be photosensitive, but he tends to do that regardless of the venue.

There's a book out now, The Osteenification of American Christianity.

Here's a review of that work. =
[h=1]Osteenification and What It Portends[/h]


[video=youtube;ME-wEa8_-gM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME-wEa8_-gM[/video]
 
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Im sorry to say people who attend this type of church arent looking for the Truth. They want to be told that life is awesome and they want to be entertained. Joel osteen doesnt just have theology with a few errors, hes heretic. He blatantly boasts that budists and every other form of religion will be in heaven. These people if they read the bible would run from this church.. .but they dont want truth.
I agree with all you said and will add a thought to the last thing you said.....

1. This is true to some extent.
2. Some have been deceived into believing that he is from God as Satan's messengers can be transformed into messengers of light <---so called
3. Satan has BLINDED the minds of them that believe not....

Just a few extra points to add.......!
 
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i am not sure i totally disagree with what she said...

for whose benefit do we worship God? does God need our worship? can our worship ever benefit him? does God need us or is it us who need him?

when you think about those kinds of things...then it seems that it really is for -our- benefit that God invites us to worship him...

on the other hand i do disagree with her assertion that God's main focus is on us being 'happy'...which given the context seems to mean short term 'warm and fuzzy' emotions...an unsaved person can have a temporary 'feel good' experience even without knowing God...and also God's primary goal in our lives is our good...whether it makes our short sighted flesh 'happy' or not...
 

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Rachel, does worship need to benefit anyone? Should we not worship God simply (!) because He deserves our worship? No, He does not need it. Yes, it benefits us, but it is not the primary motive in worship (or, at least, it shouldn't be...). I worship God because He deserves my worship.
 
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She sounds a lot like Joel..... her drawl, the pauses between phrases, etc. Really creepy.
Well, I spose there are men as bad; but why is it that some verses from 1 Cor 14 are coming into my mind about who is supposed to keep silent in church?
 

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So you people who are of God eat tasty foods because it makes God happy?
No?
Maybe because you are eating it for God instead of for yourself?
No?
The why do you some of you even over eat tasty foods?
So you don't do anything for yourselves for your own personal pleasure?
Those of you who are married, did you have sex with your spouse for God or to give Him pleasure in you?
Ridiculously absurd religious poo-poo!!!
Some of you are sounding like the Pharisees and Sadducees with your religious hypocrisy.
 

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She sounds a lot like Joel..... her drawl, the pauses between phrases, etc. Really creepy.
It's called transference of spirit.
When the two get married they become one spiritual flesh.
 
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Rachel, does worship need to benefit anyone? Should we not worship God simply (!) because He deserves our worship? No, He does not need it. Yes, it benefits us, but it is not the primary motive in worship (or, at least, it shouldn't be...). I worship God because He deserves my worship.
Just her statement gives away her utter ignorance of God and is diametrically opposed to the scriptural tenor of Godly, selfless love. You worship God because He's righteous, because He's holy, because He created the entire universe, because you're so small and this Creator is beyond imagination in greatness, because He freely saves you from your sins, because He loves you to die horribly for you, because He offers you eternal life, because there's nothing and nobody on this planet or in this universe that compares to Him, in one's wildest imagination: you worship the LORD because he is WORTHY. Worship is about God, your faith in Him, love and esteem of Him, because He is WORTHY of all praise. This has absolutely nothing to do with self-gratification, and it's disgraceful to suggest God exists as a vehicle for your amusement to be happy. It's just disgusting.
 

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For those who have posted here, I'm just curious... How many of you are basing opinions on media snippets?
 
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God loves us ... John 3:16
And we should love Him (worship) .... Deuteronomy 6:5
 
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Never much cared for the Osteens, that sounds bad of course. I'm not surprised in some ways.
 
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Rachel, does worship need to benefit anyone? Should we not worship God simply (!) because He deserves our worship? No, He does not need it. Yes, it benefits us, but it is not the primary motive in worship (or, at least, it shouldn't be...). I worship God because He deserves my worship.
You believe he deserves your ''worship'' because you're told he does, and you obey what you're told because ultimately you're scared of hell or want to live in heaven. If you weren't threatened with hell or didn't have the promise of eternal heaven, would you still ''worship'' God? Be honest with yourself. Then whenever you have an answer, ask why that answer is the way it is.

The worship of God should be in action, not in shallow prostration. The meaning behind the desire to worship God shouldn't be about my place in heaven, or my fear of hell, but about the ramifications of a simple observation; if the whole world lived fettered by desire and absolutely selfishly, without wisdom, without compassion and without understanding, what kind of world would that be?

There's a reason God's way to live is the best way, and it's got little to do with 'attaining a place in eternal heaven'. That's an ultimately selfish motive; it cares about 'me' and 'my standing with God' as opposed to others, instead of caring about 'my patience and my servitude being better than my pride and my demands'. It's saying 'Hey daddy, look how good I am compared to the rest of your children, give me a place in heaven, I deserve it'.

Forget about that. It's not about that. It's about respecting God's children, all of them, and loving them like yourself. Why? Hatred doesn't cease by hatred, judgement doesn't cease by judgement, and condemnation doesn't cease by condemnation.

What the woman in the video is saying is very honest, more honest than most, but it's also misframed. Surely, from her perspective, she's doing what she does for herself and her own happiness, which is true of many christians who 'worship to get to heaven', but it's also the wrong motive. It should not be about 'getting a place in eternal heaven' or 'being in God's good books' at all. It's about realizing that taking up humility and self restraint and living a life of giving is better than a life of utter depravity because of the results it produces, though such a life should never be forced on anybody else; my faith is my choice and my discipline to adhere to, for the benefit of others,​ without any forcible compulsion for them to take it up.

And I'm a hundred percent certain Jesus would agree with that.
 
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And where's the reward in that? Well .. maybe it'll catch on once people understand the pointlessness of living in strife and hate.
 

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You believe he deserves your ''worship'' because you're told he does, and you obey what you're told because ultimately you're scared of hell or want to live in heaven. If you weren't threatened with hell or didn't have the promise of eternal heaven, would you still ''worship'' God? Be honest with yourself. Then whenever you have an answer, ask why that answer is the way it is.
Is this personally directed at me? I don't worship God because I'm "told" to (and who out there could tell me to do that? I have no master other than Christ!). I worship God because He is worthy of all worship and praise. Really has nothing to do with a fear of hell -- my fear of hell vanished the day I was saved, and yet I STILL worship God -- not out of fear, not out of selfish ambition -- but because God is GOD.

Remember what Paul wrote in Phillippians -- one day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. That sounds like worship to me, and everyone will be doing it -- regardless of whether they've been saved or not.

I worship God because He deserves it and is worthy of it. Plain and simple. No other motivations attached. That, and only that, is true worship.
 
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Is this personally directed at me? I don't worship God because I'm "told" to (and who out there could tell me to do that? I have no master other than Christ!). I worship God because He is worthy of all worship and praise. Really has nothing to do with a fear of hell -- my fear of hell vanished the day I was saved, and yet I STILL worship God -- not out of fear, not out of selfish ambition -- but because God is GOD.

Remember what Paul wrote in Phillippians -- one day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. That sounds like worship to me, and everyone will be doing it -- regardless of whether they've been saved or not.

I worship God because He deserves it and is worthy of it. Plain and simple. No other motivations attached. That, and only that, is true worship.
Why does he deserve it?
 

santuzza

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Now that I've re-read my post, I must add that there IS someone who told me to worship God -- Jesus. Jesus said that we should love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul and spirit. So, yes, I guess someone told me to worship God, and that would be Jesus the Son.
 
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Why such a concern about what a certain person says, all it does is create idle talk and a spirit of judging others. If you know the truth and have the truth operating in you through the love of God then live it and walk in it and don't be so disturbed about what others have to say. Being occupied with it only keeps you from being occupied with Christ in our calling. God is faithful and He will reveal the hidden counsels of the heart and then all men will have praise of God.