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My response is directed at the coucil of Jerusalem. The teaching on circumcision is clear. That council seems to have managed to cloud more than to clear. It is the cirucumcisio of the heart that counts.
If you are saying I am a fanatic, perhaps, but I received the Holy Spirt decades ago, and my theology is not directed by anything other than the Word guided by the Holy Spirit with help from family in Jesus Christ..
When you see the titles of any of the theologies today taught in the Word, then speak of their authority, until then, I will be content to learn from the Word, and not the interpretations of men in long gowns making loud prayers in publick places to be seen by men.
If you are saying I am a fanatic, perhaps, but I received the Holy Spirt decades ago, and my theology is not directed by anything other than the Word guided by the Holy Spirit with help from family in Jesus Christ..
When you see the titles of any of the theologies today taught in the Word, then speak of their authority, until then, I will be content to learn from the Word, and not the interpretations of men in long gowns making loud prayers in publick places to be seen by men.
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the real issue at the council of Jerusalem...Acts 15:1...
'unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses,
'YOU CANNOT BE SAVED'.
the issue was NOT, circumcision, the issue WAS, that
you had to be circumcised AND keep the LAW of MOSES, vs.5.
TO BE SAVED! this was ALSO the MAIN issue in the Book of Galatians.
it's very clear that Paul was NOT against circumcision, Acts 16:3.
speaking of Timothy, who was 'well seasoned' in the Faith,
Paul circumcised him...
'And he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews
who were in that region, for they all knew that his father was a greek'.
(Paul was NO Hypocrite), he did NOT circumcise Timothy to make an]
'open show', he did this to show that he was a 'keeper of the Law'.
GAL. 5:11.
And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution?
'then the offence of the cross has ceased'.
ROMANS 2:25.
For circumcision is indeed profitable if you 'keep the law';
but if you are a 'breaker of the Law', your circumcision
has become 'un-circumcision'.
Acts 15:19....
'Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among
the gentiles who are turning to God,....
that is, (turning to God, signifies, novices-brand-new-converts...
'but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols,
from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and FROM BLOOD.'
(the NT had NOT been written, and these are CLEARLY LAWS,
from the MOSIAC LAW.
(all these trangsgressions WERE BEING PRACTICISED in the culture of the
time of ACTS - it is obvious from the OTHER writings from Paul,
that MORE that these 4-POINTS ARE REQUIRED as one MATURES
in THE FAITH....these were the MINIUM REQUIRMENTS to
'come into The Body of Christ.'
they were FULLY AWARE that 'Moses has had throughout MANY-GENERATIONS,
those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every SABBATH.'
in other words, they COULD LEARN THE REST EVERY SABBATH AT THE SYNOGOGUES.'
'unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses,
'YOU CANNOT BE SAVED'.
the issue was NOT, circumcision, the issue WAS, that
you had to be circumcised AND keep the LAW of MOSES, vs.5.
TO BE SAVED! this was ALSO the MAIN issue in the Book of Galatians.
it's very clear that Paul was NOT against circumcision, Acts 16:3.
speaking of Timothy, who was 'well seasoned' in the Faith,
Paul circumcised him...
'And he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews
who were in that region, for they all knew that his father was a greek'.
(Paul was NO Hypocrite), he did NOT circumcise Timothy to make an]
'open show', he did this to show that he was a 'keeper of the Law'.
GAL. 5:11.
And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution?
'then the offence of the cross has ceased'.
ROMANS 2:25.
For circumcision is indeed profitable if you 'keep the law';
but if you are a 'breaker of the Law', your circumcision
has become 'un-circumcision'.
Acts 15:19....
'Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among
the gentiles who are turning to God,....
that is, (turning to God, signifies, novices-brand-new-converts...
'but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols,
from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and FROM BLOOD.'
(the NT had NOT been written, and these are CLEARLY LAWS,
from the MOSIAC LAW.
(all these trangsgressions WERE BEING PRACTICISED in the culture of the
time of ACTS - it is obvious from the OTHER writings from Paul,
that MORE that these 4-POINTS ARE REQUIRED as one MATURES
in THE FAITH....these were the MINIUM REQUIRMENTS to
'come into The Body of Christ.'
they were FULLY AWARE that 'Moses has had throughout MANY-GENERATIONS,
those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every SABBATH.'
in other words, they COULD LEARN THE REST EVERY SABBATH AT THE SYNOGOGUES.'
J
Yeah! Whip 'em! Rack 'em! Then let's burn the heretic! We all know this is what Jesus would have us do!
Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Sola scriptura! And have a nice day.
Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Sola scriptura! And have a nice day.
It is only for americans who lack elementary knowledge of history that the Council is unclear.
At the Pentecost, the Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles and it is then that the Church began. So, you go against the Apostles, against the Church, against the Holy Spirit.
Oh, but I am not giving interpretations of the catholics. The catholics lost grace when they became a religion and stopped being a Church.
At the Pentecost, the Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles and it is then that the Church began. So, you go against the Apostles, against the Church, against the Holy Spirit.
Oh, but I am not giving interpretations of the catholics. The catholics lost grace when they became a religion and stopped being a Church.
Your not the 1st to make that claim. During the time of Paul there were many who claimed Paul wasnt following Gods law
ACTS 25 [7] And when he was come, the Jews which came down from Jerusalem stood round about, and laid many and grievous complaints against Paul, which they could not prove. [8] While he answered for himself, NEITHER AGAINST THE LAW OF THE JEWS, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, HAVE I OFFENDED ANY THING AT ALL.
Paul set em straight
ACTS 25 [7] And when he was come, the Jews which came down from Jerusalem stood round about, and laid many and grievous complaints against Paul, which they could not prove. [8] While he answered for himself, NEITHER AGAINST THE LAW OF THE JEWS, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, HAVE I OFFENDED ANY THING AT ALL.
Paul set em straight
No, thanks. Only because I am not the partisan of political correctness and its inherent relativism doesn't mean that I "whip, rack and burn the heretic". This would be the catholic style, I am not catholic.
Very true.
I am the kind of person who is curious about the Church who wrote the New Testament, not about the traditions of men that follow from the concept "sola scriptura". You too, have a blessed day!
Very true.
I am the kind of person who is curious about the Church who wrote the New Testament, not about the traditions of men that follow from the concept "sola scriptura". You too, have a blessed day!
What must you do before recieving the Holy Spirit?
JOHN 14 [15] If ye love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.[16] AND I WILL PRAY THE FATHER, AND HE SHALL GIVE YOU ANOTHER COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever;[17] Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.[19] Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.[20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.[21] HE THAT HATH MY COMMANDMENTS, AND KEEPETH THEM, HE IT IS THAT LOVETH ME: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I WILL LOVE HIM, AND WILL MANIFEST MYSELF TO HIM.
In order to receive the Holy Spirit we must first be keeping Gods 10 commandments. The 4th included. Thats what John 14{15-16} says. This truth is also found in verse {21}. That also proves Paul was keeping those 10 commandments
JOHN 14 [15] If ye love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.[16] AND I WILL PRAY THE FATHER, AND HE SHALL GIVE YOU ANOTHER COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever;[17] Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.[19] Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.[20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.[21] HE THAT HATH MY COMMANDMENTS, AND KEEPETH THEM, HE IT IS THAT LOVETH ME: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I WILL LOVE HIM, AND WILL MANIFEST MYSELF TO HIM.
In order to receive the Holy Spirit we must first be keeping Gods 10 commandments. The 4th included. Thats what John 14{15-16} says. This truth is also found in verse {21}. That also proves Paul was keeping those 10 commandments
J
Just what are you, then? Do you have some Mariolatry component to what you believe, re: your avatar and closing, in addition to calling other people expressing their Christian ideas Satan, like Torquemada? Catholic-lite? Eastern Catholic? Judaized Catholic? Protestant Weird?
And, or, answer at least this one question: do you denounce the Roman Catholic Catechism as containing many lies the traditions of men? A yes or no will do.
And, or, answer at least this one question: do you denounce the Roman Catholic Catechism as containing many lies the traditions of men? A yes or no will do.
Mark 2:27-28 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
1st of all it was made for man. Not only the Jews
Matthew 15:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
You say you keep a new sabbath day. Show me the scripture that gives you this right or is it simply a commandment of man?
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
1st of all it was made for man. Not only the Jews
Matthew 15:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
You say you keep a new sabbath day. Show me the scripture that gives you this right or is it simply a commandment of man?
I don't keep a new Sabbath day. I simply don't keep the jewish Sabbath because God saved me from another kind of slavery, not from the Egyptian domination.
I already gave Scriptures for that. The post 201 from the user JaumeJ is a proof that not only you go against Scripture, but you are also aware of it.
I already gave Scriptures for that. The post 201 from the user JaumeJ is a proof that not only you go against Scripture, but you are also aware of it.
I am eastern orthodox christian.
I denounce the Roman Catholic Catechism to contain many dangerous lies for the soul, lies that have been taken by the protestants (unfortunately), lies that go against the Love of God for humanity and turn Him into an offended judge who will torture you for your sins if you don't love him back.
I denounce the Roman Catholic Catechism to contain many dangerous lies for the soul, lies that have been taken by the protestants (unfortunately), lies that go against the Love of God for humanity and turn Him into an offended judge who will torture you for your sins if you don't love him back.
J
Then I must apologize, as you seemed to be behaving as some sort of Catholic. (Though I persist at believing it pernicious to express or imply anybody is of Satan in what is an honest Christian discourse. One can be doctrinally wrong and Christian: we are all wrong about something!) But though I don't understand ceremonial aspects of the Eastern Orthodox, I have no bone to pick with them, as I much do some pernicious Catholics who bandy about accusations of being of Satan or heretics.
So, bless you, also.
So, bless you, also.
...when somebody willingly choses to go against not only the Church, but the Bible itself (because earlier you were talking about sola scriptura) how can you not believe this stubbornness is from Satan?
Those who keep the jewish practices go against what has been decreed at the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15) by the Church of Christ.
I can have a conversation with a protestant who, at least, recognize the authority of the Bible, but when someone goes even against the Bible...(see post 201), no dialogue is possible.
Those who keep the jewish practices go against what has been decreed at the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15) by the Church of Christ.
I can have a conversation with a protestant who, at least, recognize the authority of the Bible, but when someone goes even against the Bible...(see post 201), no dialogue is possible.
J
May I inquire as to what the bottom line issue is? You have mentioned you keep the Jewish sabbath. I've read some of (I can't stand even reading all of many threads, the incessant bickering) and can't make sense of much of what is being argued here. What exactly is somebody claiming you find from Satan, in exact terms? Not observing the sabbath?
??? Where did I say I keep the jewish Sabbath? Come on guys, if you can't understand a comment with a limited number of words how can you pretend to understand the Word of God?
Why do you interfere in a discussion if you have no idea what is being discussed? Do you expect me to just repeat (for you) everything what I wrote on this thread?
Why do you interfere in a discussion if you have no idea what is being discussed? Do you expect me to just repeat (for you) everything what I wrote on this thread?