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I don't need you to be patient with me
Just to love the poor and help them.
 
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And where is it Im at? I dont get what your saying about that. and yes they had a sinful nature but God chooses who he pleases and they had accepted him and loved him deeply so of course he uses them
The law about a man who rapes a female, is that of God and will stand forever? Or you don't believe that's even in there and I have to show you?
 
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The law about a man who rapes a female, is that of God and will stand forever? Or you don't believe that's even in there and I have to show you?
If its in there which im sure it is its the word of God, just because you dont like it or understand it doesnt make it the work of man
 
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If its in there which im sure it is its the word of God, just because you dont like it or understand it doesnt make it the work of man
I understand it, and why such a law was needed then. I'm asking do we obey it now?
 
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I understand it, and why such a law was needed then. I'm asking do we obey it now?
His words still never fade they are written in the bible, there are things that changed from then and today and we dont obey a lot of the bible.
 

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The command is to love. We love God. How do we know? We can't see Him. We tell by how one loves his neighbor. Jesus loved without prejudice. We are to follow Him and do the same.
You're not addressing my question.
 
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His words still never fade they are written in the bible, there are things that changed from then and today and we dont obey a lot of the bible.
Are rapists marrying their victims? Yes or no. If no then how is this law forever and of God?
 
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Are rapists marrying their victims? Yes or no. If no then how is this law forever and of God?
of course we dont obey it but we also dont obey lots of his other laws now do we? How are the ten commandments of God if we cant even obey them?
 

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To make it simpler, I was asking about The Ten Commandments. I've read a lot of post that say we're under grace, and such.
 
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To make it simpler, I was asking about The Ten Commandments. I've read a lot of post that say we're under grace, and such.
If I love you, I won't kill you, steal from you etc. Those things only exist when we step out of love
 
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of course we dont obey it but we also dont obey lots of his other laws now do we? How are the ten commandments of God if we cant even obey them?
That's the point. Things of God are forever. Thou shalt not isn't forever.
 
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That's the point. Things of God are forever. Thou shalt not isn't forever.
sigh... flame i love you and all but you wear me out.... lets just agree to disagree and move on
 
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The commandments are to love one another as He loved us. That is all.
The law says how to do that in more detail so one may know how to love God's way.
Leviticus 19:15-18
15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge , nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Deuteronomy 6:1-6
1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged .
3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
4 Hear , O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

Then there is one that proves your love, but these is just a few instructions for starters. It's the LAW.

Deuteronomy 13:1-3
1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass , whereof he spake unto thee, saying , Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known , and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

For more definitive details concerning the love that God commands read the old Covenant with Israel. God hasn't changed His mind because of the New Covenant. It always was in the plan of salvation from the beginning.
 
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Everything in the bible is not God's words. Jesus' words are what is used to determine them. Again there's a law that says those who rapes a female must marry her and pay her father off. Did this stand forever?
Focusing on a law by the letter out of context without referring to the background of the society at that point in time would lead one to misunderstand the Word of God.
The scripture reads: If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife.
Are Christians to love all criminals and just forgive?
 
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Do you keep The Sabbath?
The true sabbath yes. I abide in my calling. If you meant Saturday no, that is also part of creation.

I labor to enter into that promised rest but you all won't give up money and burdens in order to do that yet.
 
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If I love you, I won't kill you, steal from you etc. Those things only exist when we step out of love
If a man and an animal are very much in love could they get married?
 
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The true sabbath yes. I abide in my calling. If you meant Saturday no, that is also part of creation.

I labor to enter into that promised rest but you all won't give up money and burdens in order to do that yet.
Flame who are you to criticize us for us refusing to not use money when you yourself wont? do you know the definition of a hypocrite?
 
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The true sabbath yes. I abide in my calling. If you meant Saturday no, that is also part of creation.

I labor to enter into that promised rest but you all won't give up money and burdens in order to do that yet.
Did the Lord of the Sabbath abolish the remembrance of the Sabbath by saying come to Him for rest?