Defence of the Catholics

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Re: Blissful ignorance..... Protestantism

It's quite funny, and a real testimony to the abundance of false teachings and disunity which has existed in Protestantism since its inception just 500 years ago (most of its 30,000+ denominations within just the past 100 years), that the only thing that anyone on christianchat forums can ever agree upon is that they hate Catholics.
You are all so confused on so many matters that it is comical. The only thing that you people are ever unified on is in regards to what you hate. Go figure.

Thank God I am Catholic. Praised be Jesus Christ for his One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
When two people agree on everything, at least one isn't thinking.
 

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Catholics believe all people are participating in the redemptive process made by Christ.
That is egregious heresy.

Christ, and Christ alone, redeemed by his propitiatory sacrifice all those who believe in him.

No one else participated in that sacrifice which alone redeems by grace through faith.
 

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I think we do need to take a stand against the Catholic church. The doctrines they believe concerning salvation or soteriology are simply wrong. So while they might have Biblical theology as far as who Christ is, and they do, are they saved if get do not know the basics of how to be

From what I have read, ia Catholoc is first saved by the Church. Then there is something about faith plus works! Finally, there is the mass, where one is required under RCC doctrine to eat the real Jesus at least twice a year (Christmas and Easter, including full repentance, oops, I mean confession and penance, in order to be saved!).
Somehow Jesus, who sits at the right hand of God in the Catholic Church magically
is "physically" present in the Eucharist
Angela, you might find it instructive to think about the fellowship sacrifice of Lev 3,
where the offerer took some of the sacrifice home to eat,
while the priest ate a portion of it up at the Temple,
the offerer being in a fellowship meal with the priest who offered it,
and where they both took within themselves, participated in, the benefits of the sacrifice;
i.e. forgiveness of sin and reconciliation with God.

Jesus said that the bread and wine were the NT sacrificial meal
on his sacrificed body and blood, where we take within ourselves, partake in, the benefits of his sacrifice,
just as they partook of the benefits of the sacrifice in the OT.
 
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When two people agree on everything, at least one isn't thinking.
When millions of people cannot agree on anything then none of them are thinking.
 

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Wrong again imagine my surprise. The prayers of the saints are the prayers we offer to the Lord from here on this world. We pray sometimes in great agony for souls to be saved and for the well being of the poor and broken hearted. The saints in heaven are the same ones who prayed here on earth. The saints in heaven are now receiving the joy of seeing Christ face to face. I can only speculate but
I do not see those in heaven as having any interest in what is going on here on the earth. Their focus is only on heavenly matters only we who yet remain are encumbered with worldly concerns.

For the cause of Christ
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I dunno.

The saints in heaven are the body of Christ just as we are.

It's one body, and it's hard to think they are not concerned about his body on earth.
 
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I ask people to pray for me all the time. If you say Mary is dead, then you do not believe in Heaven.
Necromancy is condemned in the Bible. When we say not to pray to the dead we are referring to those people whose bodies are dead and whose souls and spirits have either went to be with the Lord in paradise and or those who went to hades. In fact, do you remember the rich man in torments?

The rich man could not communicate with the living. In fact nowhere is praying to those who have died physically ever encouraged. It is always condemned.
 
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The statement is not made of Joseph, who was likewise his parent.
St. Joseph, Patron of the Church, Protector of our Chastity and Faith

That's just two of the titles the Catholic Church gives to Joseph.
 
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Necromancy is condemned in the Bible. When we say not to pray to the dead we are referring to those people whose bodies are dead and whose souls and spirits have either went to be with the Lord in paradise and or those who went to hades. In fact, do you remember the rich man in torments?

The rich man could not communicate with the living. In fact nowhere is praying to those who have died physically ever encouraged. It is always condemned.
Read Maccabbees....
 

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When millions of people cannot agree on anything then none of them are thinking.
Cute, but does not exist amongst born again believers. There are a quite a number of things we agree on.
 
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Maccabbees is an uninspired book because it teaches to pray to the dead. This is forbidden in Scripture.

Read Deuteronomy 18:11, Leviticus 19:31, Galatians 5:20, Acts 16:16, 1 Samuel 28:11-14.
 
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Maccabbees is an uninspired book because it teaches to pray to the dead. This is forbidden in Scripture.

Read Deuteronomy 18:11, Leviticus 19:31, Galatians 5:20, Acts 16:16, 1 Samuel 28:11-14.
They're not dead, they are in Heaven. Remember Jesus said God is god of the living, not the dead.
 
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St. Joseph, Patron of the Church, Protector of our Chastity and Faith

That's just two of the titles the Catholic Church gives to Joseph.
Do Catholics actually think they have a relationship with Jesus Christ? Are they concerned every day at trying to win souls for the Catholic church? I never run into a Catholic who was passionate about Jesus. Most people who claim they are Catholic make it appear it is more about the church than Jesus Christ. It is not really about a relationship with Christ but it is a membership club where they do ritual like things that are super mysterious.
 
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Elin said:
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- and the fact they have no idea what "Co-" means.

Co- in Latin means
aid or helper. Mary gave free consent to being the mother of Jesus and raising him.
The title is not

"co-revelator," Mary helping Jesus give revelation, or
"co-lawgiver," Mary helping Jesus give law, or
"co-worker," Mary helping Jesus in his earthly ministry, or
"co-servant," Mary helping Jesus in his service to the Father,

but "co-redeemer," Mary helping Jesus redeem us.

The statement is not made of Joseph, who was likewise his parent.
St. Joseph, Patron of the Church, Protector of our Chastity and Faith

That's just two of the titles the Catholic Church gives to Joseph
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Why was he also not co-redeemer, as was his other parent?
 

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Maccabbees is an uninspired book because it teaches to pray to the dead. This is forbidden in Scripture.
They're not dead, they are in Heaven. Remember Jesus said God is god of the living, not the dead.
Maccabbees does not teach to pray to the dead,
it teaches to pray for the dead.

That contradicts NT doctrine.
 
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When millions of people cannot agree on anything then none of them are thinking.
Au contraire: when millions of people agree on EVERYTHING, none of them are thinking.

 
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Maccabbees does not teach to pray to the dead,
it teaches to pray for the dead.

That contradicts NT doctrine.
Don't really care if I get a web of lies correct or not. It's still a lie and false. My focus is the Bible and not false religions and what they teach. For learning about false religions is a full time job. My defense and offense is God and His Word.

Anyways, it is unbiblical to pray for the dead because it appointed unto men once to die, but after that, comes the Judgment.
 
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Do Catholics actually think they have a relationship with Jesus Christ? Are they concerned every day at trying to win souls for the Catholic church? I never run into a Catholic who was passionate about Jesus. Most people who claim they are Catholic make it appear it is more about the church than Jesus Christ. It is not really about a relationship with Christ but it is a membership club where they do ritual like things that are super mysterious.
Do you talk to us about Jesus? Because that is the majority of our conversations are Christ centered. So, Yes and Yes to your questions.
 
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Why was he also not co-redeemer, as was his other parent?
Because salvation did not come from the seed of man (male) but from the woman, as was prophecied to Eve.


As to Maccabees, it is not against the NT (New Testament meaning the New Covenant not the Books of the New Testament) to pray for the dead. Realize that prayer for the dead is for those in purgatory, no man who has been sent to Hell will ever see the Kingdom of God.
 
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Do you talk to us about Jesus? Because that is the majority of our conversations are Christ centered. So, Yes and Yes to your questions.
You preach another Jesus or a false Christ. The Jesus Christ of the Holy Scriptures does not condone idolatry and pagan practices like the RCC.