Defence of the Catholics

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Because salvation did not come from the seed of man (male) but from the woman, as was prophecied to Eve.


As to Maccabees, it is not against the NT (New Testament meaning the New Covenant not the Books of the New Testament) to pray for the dead. Realize that prayer for the dead is for those in purgatory, no man who has been sent to Hell will ever see the Kingdom of God.
Nobody has been sent to purgatory because it doesn't exist. Maccabbees is not divine Scripture.
 

notuptome

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And the cloud of witnesses we are always surrounded by? Also, you believe love and charity are just simply forgotten in Heaven, "Screw my family and all those I love, I'm in HEAVEN!!!!"? There is not a single shred of evidence to those types of views.
Those in the grave cannot pass between there and here. Jesus said as much in Luke 16. There were two parts in evidence there Abrahams bosom and the torments of the flame yet neither could pass between. Nor could Abraham respond to the pleas of the rich man in his torment.

Apart from your coarse language which has no virtue in it what we have done during our time here will be edited by God. You see no sin will be in the presence of God. We will be there because of the righteousness of Christ but all our sin is left behind. What is going on here after we leave will not enter into the presence of God. if you have the romantic notion that we will look down on those we leave behind you are in error.

When you know the person and nature of God you will understand that we will be shielded from this sinful vile wicked earth while in heaven with the Lord.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Those in the grave cannot pass between there and here. Jesus said as much in Luke 16. There were two parts in evidence there Abrahams bosom and the torments of the flame yet neither could pass between. Nor could Abraham respond to the pleas of the rich man in his torment.

Apart from your coarse language which has no virtue in it what we have done during our time here will be edited by God. You see no sin will be in the presence of God. We will be there because of the righteousness of Christ but all our sin is left behind. What is going on here after we leave will not enter into the presence of God. if you have the romantic notion that we will look down on those we leave behind you are in error.

When you know the person and nature of God you will understand that we will be shielded from this sinful vile wicked earth while in heaven with the Lord.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I don't think I would get to Heaven and immediately stop praying. That makes no sense.
 
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Jason,

You deny the authority of the Bishop of Rome, who has been preaching the gospel since the days of the apostles, and place your own interpretation of what you have called scripture above his teaching and the teaching of many others. By whose authority do you claim to make such proclamations? Has God spoken to you and told you such things? Has Jesus Christ revealed himself to you? Has the Holy Spirit told you to condemn the catholic church and other christians?

Your personnel interpretation of scripture is not authoritative on anyone but yourself, God has not given you the authority to judge other faiths and traditions as being in error while you remain in the perfect truth.

None of us have perfect knowledge and wisdom, the great schisms and divisions of the church have left us lacking in so many things most of all unity in love. Until you realize it is not about being right, but about loving one another regardless of our different traditions that is what God has commanded us to do.

"It is hard for you to kick against the goads." Acts 26:14

Just a thought.
 
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... You deny the authority of the Bishop of Rome, who has been preaching the gospel since the days of the apostles...
I knew he was old, but not THAT old... :eek:


 
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I knew he was old, but not THAT old...
I'm just trying to figure out what sort of force would have blown the beanie off his head at that angle. Draw a line from the beanie, and it would look like he had head-mounted Dish Network.
 
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JesusIsAll

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I'm just trying to figure out what sort of force would have blown the beanie off his head at that angle. Draw a line from the beanie, and it would look like he had head-mounted Dish Network.
Papal Beanie Post Mortem

The victim's beanie must have been of some considerable weight, relative to a baseball cap. The position of the hairs on the victim's head indicate a strong gust of wind against the right side of his head. The position of the beanie is accounted by the bottom rim of the picture beanie previously resting on the right side of his head.

Recommendation: Addition of a propeller and tiny generator assembly to the beanie could be a potential source of green energy and promote ecumenicism with atheists of the far left.
 
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I'm just trying to figure out what sort of force would have blown the beanie off his head at that angle. Draw a line from the beanie, and it would look like he had head-mounted Dish Network.
It look like it was a windy day, the winds blows everywhere, not just only in Chicago, but every parts of the world.
 

Elin

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Because salvation did not come from the seed of man (male) but from the woman, as was prophecied to Eve.
So she helped Jesus redeem us by birthing him?

Then the Romans helped Jesus redeem us by crucifying him?

Jesus' sacrifice alone redeems all those who believe in him.

To add anything to his sacrifice is contra-gospel.

As to Maccabees, it is not against the NT (New Testament meaning the New Covenant not the Books of the New Testament) to pray for the dead.
Realize that prayer for the dead is for those in purgatory, no man who has been sent to Hell will ever see the Kingdom of God.
It is against the NT writings, because for those in Christ "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord."
The NT presents no intermediate state.

That is man's invention.
 
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They're not dead, they are in Heaven. Remember Jesus said God is god of the living, not the dead.
Did not Jesus say and teach clearly that when YE pray to pray likewise....OUR FATHER which is in HEAVEN.....and to pray in JESUS' name?...........To pray to any man, or in the name of any other man than Jesus, is to lift a man up to be equal with God and or bring God down to a level that he is not to brought down to!
 

Ella85

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Did not Jesus say and teach clearly that when YE pray to pray likewise....OUR FATHER which is in HEAVEN.....and to pray in JESUS' name?...........To pray to any man, or in the name of any other man than Jesus, is to lift a man up to be equal with God and or bring God down to a level that he is not to brought down to!
I agree!!!
 
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There is egregious heresy in Catholicism that one must be aware of.

And that is that Mary is co-redeemer with Christ.
I agree and will add....No other name under heaven whereby men must be saved.....NONE!
 
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Again, I've said in many forums and to many of you to define the word prayer. Because its originals meaning was to ask respectfully/reverently. Hence, the legal jargon of, "I pray the court's indulgence." Or the Middle English "Prithee" which meant "pray thee or pray you". Under that definition any request for prayer, from your friends, relatives, saints or angels is a prayer for prayer.
 

Ella85

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No, they believe Mary is co-redeemer. Do you believe she saves you, too? They worship a different Christ. For Jesus is the only mediator between God and man. Mary does not mediate anything. She is just a human being who needed a Savior just like us. But Catholics do not teach that she was sinful, though. They make her into some kind of God by praying to her, etc.
AGAIN........not all Catholics do this!

ONLY THE ONES WHO DO NOT KNOW THE TRUTH!
 

Ella85

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You are not only blind to your own self righteousness but are not reading what others are saying.
What is meant by our hearts being an idol factory is that out of the heart comes that which defiles a man (mk 7:22)...coveteousness is idolatry (col 3:5)
and the Protestant church is also guilty what you are attacking Rome for.

Mark 7:21-23 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
Yes....and I agree
 

Patnubay

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Mary was a HUMAN. She has been dead for several milennia now! She is not, and was not a saint. She is not a god. Praying to the virgin Mary is akin to praying to Satan--you should be praying to Jesus, NOT Mary or Satan!!


saint

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  • 1.
    a person acknowledged as holy or virtuous and typically regarded as being in heaven after death
  • 2.
    used in titles of religious saints.
Mary was human, Mary is dead and Mary is not God. To pray to Mary is wrong BUT she is a Saint.

To level Mary with Satan is very rude. One MUST remember that Mary is the mother of Christ. Mary should never be worshipped but she deserves respect for surrendering her body to God without hesitation.


 
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AGAIN........not all Catholics do this!

ONLY THE ONES WHO DO NOT KNOW THE TRUTH!
So there are Catholics in the RCC who do not agree with those who bow down to idols within their own church? Sorry. I do not see that at all. If it was wrong, they would speak out against it and strive to change it. Besides, all Catholics pray to Mary (Which is what folks are doing when they are bowing down to the statues). In fact, I remember when I was a little kid (Before I received Christ as my Savior later in life): I instinctively knew that praying to another entity besides God was wrong. I was raised in a Christian home that was very liberal and where we did not talk about God (But we would decorate our home with the things of the Lord and sing about Him during Christmas time). I remember one of my close childhood friends back then had prayed to Mary. I remember trying to convince him not to pray to Mary but just to pray to God instead. I knew it was wrong. I was not sucked up or swept into the deception of the dark spirit that is behind the RCC church.