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Nautilus

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This thread is going in the direction of God so don't run. Mainline church today say many misleading things that distort what God has said. I'm only trying to bring us back to what God has said so that God can have a people to call His own. A holy nation of kings and priests. This is the heart of God and He can't do this without His Law and He can't do this as long as His Law remains on stone.
So do you wear tassels on your clothes? DO you not eat shellfish? Are you wearing two different fabrics currently? how often do you shave? These are all laws too. Hpopefully before you are harassing you are following all 600+ yourself to the letter.
 

john832

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So do you wear tassels on your clothes? DO you not eat shellfish? Are you wearing two different fabrics currently? how often do you shave? These are all laws too. Hpopefully before you are harassing you are following all 600+ yourself to the letter.
So, do you murder? Commit adultery? Lie? Steal? Lust? Take God's name in vain? Bow down to idols? Have other gods before God? Break the Sabbath?
 
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Is having a sexual relationship with my mother wrong under the New Covenant if I love her and it's okay with my father? If it is wrong, can you show me where it says it is in the New Covenant?
If your heart does not tell you that is wrong (Heb 8:10; Jer 31:31-34), then you are not born again.
 
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crossnote said:
Ephesians 6:1-3 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise)
That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
I still don't see where the promise is given in the New Covenant.
What do you think the NT writing of Eph is, old covenant?

Are you trying to separate what God has joined?
 
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If your heart does not tell you that is wrong (Heb 8:10; Jer 31:31-34), then you are not born again.
No doubt and I agree..........the divine spark given to humanity....called conscience<----yes can be seared with a hot iron and be beyond the ability of conviction concerning right and or wrong<--according to the divine level and in accordance with the righteousness of Christ
 
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So honoring my father and mother is the first commandment with a promise of long life for obeying it? First commandment?
What are the other commandments? Is a commandment a Law or do you need more than one to be a Law?
In addition to Eph 6:2, you would have to read the rest of the NT to find all the commands and exhortations given there for the new covenant.
 
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Let me add to your most excellent question.

What commandment do we make void by our tradition?

Matthew 15:6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition.

Can you show me the New Covenant commandment that says we must honor our father and mother? If there is none then I can't make it void by my tradition.

Do I also make void the fourth commandment by my Sunday tradition?
Those on whose hearts the Holy Spirit has written his commands do not operate by tradition,
they operate in and by the Holy Spirit.
 
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john832

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If your heart does not tell you that is wrong (Heb 8:10; Jer 31:31-34), then you are not born again.
Hmmm, contrary to what Paul said...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

and no one should trust what Jeremiah says...

Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

And what would David (a man after God's own heart) know?

Psa 19:11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
 

john832

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For those on whose hearts the Holy Spirit has written his commands, your issue is moot.
Uh, when God's Commandments, including the fourth one, is written on a person's heart, do they then disregard them?
 
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Jesus came to magnify the Law
Jesus came to give new law (Mt 22:37-40, 5:23-47, 12:7-8, 19:9, 21:23-27, chp 23).

and make it honorable
Jesus didn't have to be make the law honorable, it was honorable from the beginning
when God gave it to Moses.

 
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I still don't see where the promise is given in the New Covenant. I see the Bible pointing us back to obedience to the Law for the promise to be received. Are you saying we are under the Law? Is it that only children are under the Law? Either you are dead to the Law or you are not. A dead person can not receive any blessing or promise from honoring their parents.

So let me ask the question again. Where in the New Covenant does it say there is a promise attached to honoring your father and mother and what is the blessing for obeying that commandment?
I AM saying we are under the Law.
And we are.
 
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This thread is going in the direction of God so don't run. Mainline church today say many misleading things that distort what God has said. I'm only trying to bring us back to what God has said so that God can have a people to call His own. A holy nation of kings and priests. This is the heart of God and
He can't do this without His Law and He can't do this as long as His Law remains on stone.
He does it in his NT law abundantly supplied in the NT writings.
 
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Elin said:
Those on whose hearts the Holy Spirit has written his commands do not operate by tradition, they operate in and by the Holy Spirit.
Uh, when God's Commandments, including the fourth one, is written on a person's heart, do they then disregard them?
Assumes that is a command of the Holy Spirit.

The NT shows that it is not.
 
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Elin said:
If your heart does not tell you that is wrong (Heb 8:10; Jer 31:31-34), then you are not born again.
Hmmm, contrary to what Paul said...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay,
I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Not contrary to what Paul said at all.

Let's have a look at what Paul says in Ro 7.

Previous to v. 7, he states that he was alive without the law and that
when the law came he died.

Since the law was given long before Paul was even born,
and since he did not actually die,
is he speaking idiomatically?

He had not known sin but by the law.
Like a mirror reveals our natural face with its spots and blemishes,
so the law revealed his natural sin to him (Jas 1:23-25),
gave him a knowledge of it, which led to repentance
when he compared his heart to the law.

In the law the Holy Spirit mirrored to him that, even without any sinful act,
concupiscence (lust) in the heart was sinful.
The Holy Spirit made him aware in the law of his indwelling sin, which he knew nothing of before.
Unregenerate (natural) Paul had been blind regarding his original corruption,
and he remained in the dark until the Holy Spirit by the law showed it to him when he was reborn.
That is how the law is an instructor to bring us to Christ.

The Holy Spirit showed Paul in the law what sin really is, how it is exceedingly sinful (v.13).

While a Pharisee, Paul was sure of his confidence in his goodness ("I was alive").
But in reality he was without the law, he did not understand its spiritual meaning,
it was in his head, but not in his heart, he had a mental apprehension of it,
but there was no power of it in his heart.

But when he was reborn, "the commandment came" in its power to his heart, not just to his head,
"sin revived," appeared, the Holy Spirit showed him what he had never seen before in sin,
his naturally (unregenerate) corrupt bias toward it,
"and I died," the Holy Spirit convincing him with such power that Paul, the obedient Pharisee,
was not righteous, but in a state of sin, and in spiritual death because of that sin.


So powerful was this revelation by the Holy Spirit to Paul that it stood his former theology on its head.

We can see this in his presentation of it in Ro 3:10-20, 5:18-19, 7:7-13, 8:7-8; Eph 2:1, 3, 5; Col 2:13.

So Ro 7 is idiomatically dealing with the unregenerate Pharisee Paul
before he was born again (regenerated) by the holy Spirit,
who then revealed to him by the law his previous original innate corruption,
indwelling sin, and natural bias toward it,
which is why we have such strong presentation of man's innate corruption in Paul's writings.


This is in no way contrary to the Holy Spirit giving you to know in your heart what is wrongful.

In fact, rather than being contrary to what Paul said, it is a powerful example of just that.


Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

And what would David (a man after God's own heart) know?
All prior to the indwelling Holy Spirit of the NT writing his commands on the hearts of those in Christ.
 
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If your heart does not tell you that is wrong (Heb 8:10; Jer 31:31-34), then you are not born again.
So are you saying that all those thousands of churches are not born again because they accept and perform gay marriages? The word of God works thought His Spirit to bear witness to our spirit that something is right or wrong. These many churches have the word of God and the Spirit of God but they are not listening to either.
 
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So do you wear tassels on your clothes? DO you not eat shellfish? Are you wearing two different fabrics currently? how often do you shave? These are all laws too. Hpopefully before you are harassing you are following all 600+ yourself to the letter.
Everything God asked us to do is for our benefit to learn His ways and follow them. As a converted child of God I have the Spirit of God to bring God's will to my mind. This is the glory of the New Covenant. I don't need tassels to help me remember the commandments of God when I have the indwelling Spirit of God.

Numbers 15:37-40 Again the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the children of Israel: Tell them to make tassels on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and to put a blue thread in the tassels of the corners. And you shall have the tassel, that you may look upon it and remember all the commandments of the Lord and do them, and that you may not follow the harlotry to which your own heart and your own eyes are inclined, and that you may remember and do all My commandments, and be holy for your God.

If I did need tassels to remember the commandments of God I would have no problem wearing them.

As far as shellfish is concerned, I believe God has taught us about what is good for food and what is not. It's not whether it's lawful or not, but rather, is it helpful or not. This is living by God's wisdom.
 
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Elin said:
If your heart does not tell you that is wrongful (Heb 8:10; Jer 31:31-34), then you are not born again.
So are you saying that all those thousands of churches are not born again because they accept and perform gay marriages? The word of God works thought His Spirit to bear witness to our spirit that something is right or wrong. These many churches have the word of God and the Spirit of God but they are not listening to either.
I am saying that if your heart does not tell you what is wrongful (Heb 8:10; Jer 31:31-34), then you are not born again.

I think I was pretty clear when I said it the first time.
 
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In addition to Eph 6:2, you would have to read the rest of the NT to find all the commands and exhortations given there for the new covenant.
There is nothing in the New Covenant that says I can't sleep with my step mother.
 
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I am saying that if your heart does not tell you what is wrongful (Heb 8:10; Jer 31:31-34), then you are not born again.

I think I was pretty clear when I said it the first time.
What is clear is that you're saying all those thousands of churches who have placed their faith in Jesus and believe the Bible to be true are not born again because their heart is not saying homosexuality is wrong.

Let me ask you something, how do you feel about calling Sunday the Lord's day when there is not one verse in the Bible that says Sunday is the Lord's nor does the Bible even give anyone authority to say Sunday is the Lord's day. Do you feel convicted over that? Do you feel you are following God when you do such things that are not found in the Bible? Should I say that you are not born again because you are not convicted of anything wrong?