Homosexual "christians"

[Skinski7]

I am not perfect, I sin at times but am instantly remorseful and take it to the Lord. The point is I never stop trying. Anyone who says they have reached perfection is lying - fact!

So you are still in bondage to sin because...

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

You admit to committing sin yet don't perceive yourself as being a servant of sin? What are you trying to say?

The Bible speaks of a sorrow which leads to death and of a sorrow which leads to repentance. Two different kinds of sorrow, which one do you have?

2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
2Co 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.

Does your sorrow work a carefulness, indignation over sin, a fear of God, a vehement desire to do what is right, a zeal in regards to the truth. Does your sorrow produce a clearing which in the Greek is "Hagnos" which means "Purity" ? Has that happened?

If it hasn't then all you have is worldly sorrow that works death, ie. the sin/repent/sin/repent/sin/repnt/sin/repent life with no victory because the repentance is not real.

Was Paul lying?

Php 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
Php 3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
Php 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
Php 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Php 3:16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
Php 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
Php 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
Php 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

The use of the word "Perfect" in verse 15 is from the Greek word "Teleious" which means "moral perfection" and that is what Paul claims to possess (ie. the condition of his heart). The word "Perfect" in verse 12 is from the Greek word "Teleioō" which means "complete" and Paul is using it in the context of having a glorified body.

Anyone who says they have reached perfection is lying - fact!

Was Paul lying?

Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Was Jesus joking?

 

[Skinski7]

Why do people disbelieve the following?

Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

 

[MadParrotWoman]

So you are still in bondage to sin because...

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

You admit to committing sin yet don't perceive yourself as being a servant of sin? What are you trying to say?

The Bible speaks of a sorrow which leads to death and of a sorrow which leads to repentance. Two different kinds of sorrow, which one do you have?

2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
2Co 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.

Does your sorrow work a carefulness, indignation over sin, a fear of God, a vehement desire to do what is right, a zeal in regards to the truth. Does your sorrow produce a clearing which in the Greek is "Hagnos" which means "Purity" ? Has that happened?

If it hasn't then all you have is worldly sorrow that works death, ie. the sin/repent/sin/repent/sin/repnt/sin/repent life with no victory because the repentance is not real.

Was Paul lying?

Php 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
Php 3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
Php 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
Php 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Php 3:16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
Php 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
Php 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
Php 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

The use of the word "Perfect" in verse 15 is from the Greek word "Teleious" which means "moral perfection" and that is what Paul claims to possess (ie. the condition of his heart). The word "Perfect" in verse 12 is from the Greek word "Teleioō" which means "complete" and Paul is using it in the context of having a glorified body.



Was Paul lying?

Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Was Jesus joking?

Paul seems to be saying what I said "be perfect minded" ie aim for perfection.

 

[Blain]

So you are still in bondage to sin because...

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

You admit to committing sin yet don't perceive yourself as being a servant of sin? What are you trying to say?

The Bible speaks of a sorrow which leads to death and of a sorrow which leads to repentance. Two different kinds of sorrow, which one do you have?

2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
2Co 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.

Does your sorrow work a carefulness, indignation over sin, a fear of God, a vehement desire to do what is right, a zeal in regards to the truth. Does your sorrow produce a clearing which in the Greek is "Hagnos" which means "Purity" ? Has that happened?

If it hasn't then all you have is worldly sorrow that works death, ie. the sin/repent/sin/repent/sin/repnt/sin/repent life with no victory because the repentance is not real.

Was Paul lying?

Php 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
Php 3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
Php 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
Php 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Php 3:16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
Php 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
Php 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
Php 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

The use of the word "Perfect" in verse 15 is from the Greek word "Teleious" which means "moral perfection" and that is what Paul claims to possess (ie. the condition of his heart). The word "Perfect" in verse 12 is from the Greek word "Teleioō" which means "complete" and Paul is using it in the context of having a glorified body.



Was Paul lying?

You cannot ever be perfect perfection is not possible in the human body as the human body will always be cursed with the sinful nature, I mean seriously can you yourself say that you no longer sin? All you are doing is misusing scripture to fit your own agenda and badgering mpw

 

[MadParrotWoman]

Why do people disbelieve the following?

Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

I am deeply concerned that you see yourself as having reached perfection therefore rendering God's grace redundant.

 

[Skinski7]

You cannot ever be perfect perfection is not possible in the human body as the human body will always be cursed with the sinful nature, I mean seriously can you yourself say that you no longer sin? All you are doing is misusing scripture to fit your own agenda and badgering mpw

Right there is the FOUNDATION of your error.

You cannot believe what the Bible teaches because you have been deceived by the precepts of Gnostic Dualism.

You view the flesh as literally the source of evil and thus hold to the perception that your body keeps you in bondage to sin. That is EXACTLY what the Gnostics taught and that is why the Gnostics taught that one could "sin in the flesh" but and "not sin in the soul." Thus they disconnected manifest deeds from the condition of the heart.

John refuted that in writing...

1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

You use the flesh as an excuse to justify ongoing sin which is exactly why Satan led men to develop such a doctrine. Satan's original lies was "Ye can sin and not surely die" and today that lie has been transformed into "sin ye will and sin ye must" due to the foundation set by Original Sin (ie. inability).

I have written more in this thread on the subject...

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...different-between-original-sin-daily-sin.html

Especially in this post...

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...een-original-sin-daily-sin-9.html#post1717943

Here is a documentary I put together on the issue. The audio is not mine but all the annotated references that I put up on the screen clearly duplicate the research behind the audio and prove without a doubt the truth of what is stated.

[video=youtube;KVQ1t5i058Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVQ1t5i058Q[/video]

I know it is not a popular message because it comes right against the popular teachings of our day which dominate the airwaves, television, radio, seminaries and the pulpits. It is not a message that brings comfort to one deceived by the lie because it forces them to reevaluate whether they are actually saved or not.

It is better to be confronted with the truth now than be shocked at the judgment where Jesus warned MANY would be rejected. The shock and horror that those who will be rejected will experience I find extremely disturbing.

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Billyd]

I have always loved the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus addresses so many of the issues that we get bogged down on here in the simplest of terms. He addresses the judging of others in Mat 7:1-2 (ESV) "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you." Before we say that we are without sin, we need to read the verses leading up to these verses, and then read those following them.

If I have accepted the free gift of Salvation through Faith, will I live a life of sin? Be careful when you answer that question. What does 1 John 1:8 say?

Does that free gift of Salvation give us a free license to sin? Absolutely not! If we think that it does, we reject God's gift. We won't lose our Salvation, because we never accepted it.

What is the difference a life of sin and a sinful lifestyle?

 

[Skinski7]

I have always loved the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus addresses so many of the issues that we get bogged down on here in the simplest of terms. He addresses the judging of others in Mat 7:1-2 (ESV) "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you." Before we say that we are without sin, we need to read the verses leading up to these verses, and then read those following them.

If I have accepted the free gift of Salvation through Faith, will I live a life of sin? Be careful when you answer that question. What does 1 John 1:8 say?

Does that free gift of Salvation give us a free license to sin? Absolutely not! If we think that it does, we reject God's gift. We won't lose our Salvation, because we never accepted it.

What is the difference a life of sin and a sinful lifestyle?

Salvation is not a free gift. Salvation will cost you your life.

The free gift of God is "eternal life THROUGH Jesus Christ" and that costs us everything to enter into. That is why Jesus taught that we have to die in order to live, why Jesus taught that to obtain the treasure in the field the man sold everything he had for it was of a great price.

The price of salvation is not free. The opportunity presented before us is free and something we cannot earn for our guilt cannot be undone apart from the mercy of God.

Yet entering into life will cost you EVERYTHING. That is why Jesus said "count the cost" because it is a cost very few are willing to pay.

The broad way to destruction teaches that salvation is a free gift and that all you have to do is accept it. The narrow way that leads to life teaches that salvation will cost you everything and that you have to strive to enter in and endure to the end. Two different messages, two different destinations.

 

[Blain]

Right there is the FOUNDATION of your error.

You cannot believe what the Bible teaches because you have been deceived by the precepts of Gnostic Dualism.

You view the flesh as literally the source of evil and thus hold to the perception that your body keeps you in bondage to sin. That is EXACTLY what the Gnostics taught and that is why the Gnostics taught that one could "sin in the flesh" but and "not sin in the soul." Thus they disconnected manifest deeds from the condition of the heart.

John refuted that in writing...

1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

You use the flesh as an excuse to justify ongoing sin which is exactly why Satan led men to develop such a doctrine. Satan's original lies was "Ye can sin and not surely die" and today that lie has been transformed into "sin ye will and sin ye must" due to the foundation set by Original Sin (ie. inability).

I have written more in this thread on the subject...

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...different-between-original-sin-daily-sin.html

Especially in this post...

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...een-original-sin-daily-sin-9.html#post1717943

Here is a documentary I put together on the issue. The audio is not mine but all the annotated references that I put up on the screen clearly duplicate the research behind the audio and prove without a doubt the truth of what is stated.

[video=youtube;KVQ1t5i058Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVQ1t5i058Q[/video]

I know it is not a popular message because it comes right against the popular teachings of our day which dominate the airwaves, television, radio, seminaries and the pulpits. It is not a message that brings comfort to one deceived by the lie because it forces them to reevaluate whether they are actually saved or not.

It is better to be confronted with the truth now than be shocked at the judgment where Jesus warned MANY would be rejected. The shock and horror that those who will be rejected will experience I find extremely disturbing.

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Okay buddy Im not going to continue this as its clearly pointless, apparently you believe you are perfect and since others cannot live up to your standards they are in error.
You wont say you are perfect yet you teach perfection and insinuate you are perfect. If you are perfect come out and say it dont hint it and then deny you said it, if you are not perfect and still sin then stop judging others and stop calling them in error because they admit the sin and are not perfect. Good day sir

 

[Billyd]

Salvation is not a free gift. Salvation will cost you your life.

The free gift of God is "eternal life THROUGH Jesus Christ" and that costs us everything to enter into. That is why Jesus taught that we have to die in order to live, why Jesus taught that to obtain the treasure in the field the man sold everything he had for it was of a great price.

The price of salvation is not free. The opportunity presented before us is free and something we cannot earn for our guilt cannot be undone apart from the mercy of God.

Yet entering into life will cost you EVERYTHING. That is why Jesus said "count the cost" because it is a cost very few are willing to pay.

The broad way to destruction teaches that salvation is a free gift and that all you have to do is accept it. The narrow way that leads to life teaches that salvation will cost you everything and that you have to strive to enter in and endure to the end. Two different messages, two different destinations.

My friend, I respectfully disagree. Salvation is a gift of God, and is free. It doesn't cost me my life, it changed my lifestyle and it gives me an eternal life through Christ.

The broad way to destruction is the refusal to accept that free gift, the narrow way is a path chosen when you accept that gift.

Few will accept the gift, because they are convinced that there is nothing free in this world. They are afraid of the strings that are being attached by Satan through the unfaithfulness of those who fail to understand the sacrifice of Jesus.

Salvation didn't cost me a thing, but it changed everything.

 

[phil112]

.................................Was Paul lying?

Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Was Jesus joking?

Being perfect is as much misunderstood as judging others.
Here is Strongs: 5046 NT - Greek telos 5056; complete (in various applications of labor, growth, mental and moral character, etc.); neuter (as noun, with 3588) completeness:--of full age, man, perfect.

Friends, being perfect is to grow in the word and your relationship with Christ. Become a spiritual adult. Mature, as one should who keeps striving for knowledge and understanding.

I'm not perfect yet - I got a late start. But I intend to be. You folks that take issue with what I say need to examine yourselves and your walk. I am saying nothing that doesn't come from the bible. Christ said go and sin no more. Why can you not stop sinning? Sin is a choice. Why not make the choice to not sin? Why not spend more time learning the word? Study to show yourself approved unto God. Can you honestly look God in the face and not feel shame when He asks if you did that?

There is so much misinformation being spread about, and that brings dissension. I am one of those that people accuse of being a rabble rouser, so to speak. Listen, in God's house we are not to allow false doctrine and lies to abound. I will resist that to my last breath. The problem lies in the inability and/or refusal of some to accept the bible...all of the bible, as God's word. When God speaks to you, listen, heed His voice.

And I know there are some who will try to throw that up in my face - God gave the law to israel, not me. God sent Paul, a man He picked from his mothers womb, and taught by His Son, to tell me what I need to know.

 

[TaylorTG]

Sheesh, people. Skinski7 isn't saying that he has reached perfection, he's asserting that it is possible for one to completely purify himself or herself before death via both the grace of God and human effort.

That is what you're saying, right?



It's amusing to see Phil112 argue with Skinski7 after reading the opening post.

You cannot sin and go to heaven. All sin must be forgiven before you die. No sin is allowed in heaven.

If Phil112 meant what he said above, then he and Skinski7 both agree with each other, yet they're fighting! Divided houses cannot stand, eh? eh? eh? pfftt...

 

[JesusIsAll]

Okay buddy Im not going to continue this as its clearly pointless, apparently you believe you are perfect and since others cannot live up to your standards they are in error.
You wont say you are perfect yet you teach perfection and insinuate you are perfect. If you are perfect come out and say it dont hint it and then deny you said it, if you are not perfect and still sin then stop judging others and stop calling them in error because they admit the sin and are not perfect. Good day sir

I'd be content to just get some clarification which end of the horse he is.

 

[JesusIsAll]

I am not perfect, I sin at times but am instantly remorseful and take it to the Lord. The point is I never stop trying. Anyone who says they have reached perfection is lying - fact!

Romans 7, in a nutshell. Well said!

 

[ThomistColin]

First, define homosexuals. Is that all SSA or just those who act upon the attraction? Also, the "gay Catholic lobby" won't be able to sway the Church. Such a change to the dogma of the Church (which will never happen) would take either an ex cathedra statement or an Ecumenical Council.

 

[wattie]

Reality check- how many christian men struggle with internet pornography? They are all not saved?

Get real!

Eternal salvation is a free gift from Jesus Christ not by works.. undeserved, unmerited, unearned.

After salvation people can sin less.. but never be sinless.

So.. yah.. someone saved.. can be adulteress.. etc.. this will damage their relationship with Jesus.. He will discipline them.. but they are still saved.

Chances are they won't be continuing in these sins because they are being convicted by the Holy Spirit speaking to their heart.. but to say they actually will never be an adulterer homosexual etc.. because they are christian?

Na.

Every human is imperfect. After salvation is given ya someone has the Holy Spirit dwelling in them convicting them.. but they still have a fleshly nature.

 

[gzusfrk]

Reality check- how many christian men struggle with internet pornography? They are all not saved?

Get real!

Eternal salvation is a free gift from Jesus Christ not by works.. undeserved, unmerited, unearned.

After salvation people can sin less.. but never be sinless.

So.. yah.. someone saved.. can be adulteress.. etc.. this will damage their relationship with Jesus.. He will discipline them.. but they are still saved.

Chances are they won't be continuing in these sins because they are being convicted by the Holy Spirit speaking to their heart.. but to say they actually will never be an adulterer homosexual etc.. because they are christian?

Na.

Every human is imperfect. After salvation is given ya someone has the Holy Spirit dwelling in them convicting them.. but they still have a fleshly nature.

This is true, However if you were to ask an adulterer if what they were doing is wrong most all will say yes, same with those that look at internet porn, most know it is wrong, Not the case for most homosexuals, and therein lies the problem. If you dont believe it to be wrong then is the Holy Spirit convicting you?

 

[ThomistColin]

This is true, However if you were to ask an adulterer if what they were doing is wrong most all will say yes, same with those that look at internet porn, most know it is wrong, Not the case for most homosexuals, and therein lies the problem. If you dont believe it to be wrong then is the Holy Spirit convicting you?

Most lie and say it isn't wrong, because they don't want to hate themselves, because that's what we've been taught. Either to hate ourselves or hate Christians. Fortunately, that's not true at all. Through the Love which is God Himself, we are able to Love ourselves and learn to abstain from both sexual contact and sexual thoughts.

 

[phil112]

Reality check- how many christian men struggle with internet pornography? They are all not saved?

......................

wattie, you better start making better choices, and you better do it soon. That is a choice you are making. It is your mind and you alone control it. That is the one thing that no man can take away from you - your thoughts. Think better things if you want to go to heaven.

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

 

[Alligator]

Okay buddy Im not going to continue this as its clearly pointless, apparently you believe you are perfect and since others cannot live up to your standards they are in error.
You wont say you are perfect yet you teach perfection and insinuate you are perfect. If you are perfect come out and say it dont hint it and then deny you said it, if you are not perfect and still sin then stop judging others and stop calling them in error because they admit the sin and are not perfect. Good day sir

The word "perfect" is being used a lot in this thread. We need to remember that perfect as used in the majority of places doesn't mean sinless perfection, rather it means "complete" or "mature".