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per·fect (pûr
f
kt)adj.1. Lacking nothing essential to the whole; complete of its nature or kind.
2. Being without defect or blemish: a perfect specimen.
3. Thoroughly skilled or talented in a certain field or area; proficient.
4. Completely suited for a particular purpose or situation: She was the perfect actress for the part.
5. a. Completely corresponding to a description, standard, or type: a perfect circle; a perfect gentleman.
b. Accurately reproducing an original: a perfect copy of the painting.
6. Complete; thorough; utter: a perfect fool.
7. Pure; undiluted; unmixed: perfect red.
8. Excellent and delightful in all respects
that's not what the dictionary says, according to this it means pure without blemish spotless
To be perfect it would require we have no sin and no flaws which is impossible even as Christians
2. Being without defect or blemish: a perfect specimen.
3. Thoroughly skilled or talented in a certain field or area; proficient.
4. Completely suited for a particular purpose or situation: She was the perfect actress for the part.
5. a. Completely corresponding to a description, standard, or type: a perfect circle; a perfect gentleman.
b. Accurately reproducing an original: a perfect copy of the painting.
6. Complete; thorough; utter: a perfect fool.
7. Pure; undiluted; unmixed: perfect red.
8. Excellent and delightful in all respects
that's not what the dictionary says, according to this it means pure without blemish spotless
To be perfect it would require we have no sin and no flaws which is impossible even as Christians
Sodomites can become saved just like any other sinner. Gods grace is sufficient to save the sodomite. It is very difficult for the sodomite to over come their former sinful lifestyle but it can be done.
Those who say they are saved but evidence no change in their life are probably not telling the truth. This is applicable to non sodomites as well as sodomites.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Those who say they are saved but evidence no change in their life are probably not telling the truth. This is applicable to non sodomites as well as sodomites.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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per·fect (pûr
f
kt)adj.1. Lacking nothing essential to the whole; complete of its nature or kind.
2. Being without defect or blemish: a perfect specimen.
3. Thoroughly skilled or talented in a certain field or area; proficient.
4. Completely suited for a particular purpose or situation: She was the perfect actress for the part.
5. a. Completely corresponding to a description, standard, or type: a perfect circle; a perfect gentleman.
b. Accurately reproducing an original: a perfect copy of the painting.
6. Complete; thorough; utter: a perfect fool.
7. Pure; undiluted; unmixed: perfect red.
8. Excellent and delightful in all respects
that's not what the dictionary says, according to this it means pure without blemish spotless
To be perfect it would require we have no sin and no flaws which is impossible even as Christians
2. Being without defect or blemish: a perfect specimen.
3. Thoroughly skilled or talented in a certain field or area; proficient.
4. Completely suited for a particular purpose or situation: She was the perfect actress for the part.
5. a. Completely corresponding to a description, standard, or type: a perfect circle; a perfect gentleman.
b. Accurately reproducing an original: a perfect copy of the painting.
6. Complete; thorough; utter: a perfect fool.
7. Pure; undiluted; unmixed: perfect red.
8. Excellent and delightful in all respects
that's not what the dictionary says, according to this it means pure without blemish spotless
To be perfect it would require we have no sin and no flaws which is impossible even as Christians
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That's a lie. Stop being foolish. Read post 31 for what perfect means in this case. Of course no one is flawless, but you certainly can stop sinning. Your choice. You want to deceive yourself into hell, go ahead, but stop trying to tell everybody that bunk. Christ said go and sin no more. Since you like to parse words, parse that.
Grow up. Become a man in the word. Become a mature christian....a perfect christian.
Grow up. Become a man in the word. Become a mature christian....a perfect christian.
per·fect (pûr
f
kt)adj.1. Lacking nothing essential to the whole; complete of its nature or kind.
2. Being without defect or blemish: a perfect specimen.
3. Thoroughly skilled or talented in a certain field or area; proficient.
4. Completely suited for a particular purpose or situation: She was the perfect actress for the part.
5. a. Completely corresponding to a description, standard, or type: a perfect circle; a perfect gentleman.
b. Accurately reproducing an original: a perfect copy of the painting.
6. Complete; thorough; utter: a perfect fool.
7. Pure; undiluted; unmixed: perfect red.
8. Excellent and delightful in all respects
that's not what the dictionary says, according to this it means pure without blemish spotless
To be perfect it would require we have no sin and no flaws which is impossible even as Christians
2. Being without defect or blemish: a perfect specimen.
3. Thoroughly skilled or talented in a certain field or area; proficient.
4. Completely suited for a particular purpose or situation: She was the perfect actress for the part.
5. a. Completely corresponding to a description, standard, or type: a perfect circle; a perfect gentleman.
b. Accurately reproducing an original: a perfect copy of the painting.
6. Complete; thorough; utter: a perfect fool.
7. Pure; undiluted; unmixed: perfect red.
8. Excellent and delightful in all respects
that's not what the dictionary says, according to this it means pure without blemish spotless
To be perfect it would require we have no sin and no flaws which is impossible even as Christians
I did not read Romans 6. No idea what it says.
I do not believe anyone here was questioning the heart. This forum often looks as if it is all caught up in doing good works per the scriptures. It would seem that maybe the heart gets left out of the matter far too often in the Bible discussion forum.
I do agree with you on this about rebellion and choosing evil. it is also good that you are sharing that you do not claim to be perfect, only Jesus himself, as you said.
All mankind has the curse of some sort of sin somewhere in there lives.
So would not it be our hearts that gets judged per the sinful acts that we do while walking in this world?
The Heart is where it is at. For Jesus said!..The greatest commandment of them all. Love you neighbor as yourself.
For he who has not love, has nothing.
Even Paul? said!... I do what I wish not to do. and what I wish to do. I do not do. This is why we are saved by Grace if we come to Jesus with a pure heart.
This could be where in IMHO!.... Christians could be in danger of playing God by judging others of sins that are clearly
against what is written per the scriptures. Jesus could be forgiving them as they are still sinning. Why?. Due to the fact they they are trying to break free of the sins that they still commit. and they bring there sins and struggles before the Lord.
Jesus forgives them by Grace, but other Christian believers are still judging them per what is written.
In essence! Christians are judging those that God has already forgiven. YIKES!
I will let someone else clean up my garble of words of the scriptures if they wish. For I do not have the time or will to look up the exact text and sayings as they were written.
I do not believe anyone here was questioning the heart. This forum often looks as if it is all caught up in doing good works per the scriptures. It would seem that maybe the heart gets left out of the matter far too often in the Bible discussion forum.
I do agree with you on this about rebellion and choosing evil. it is also good that you are sharing that you do not claim to be perfect, only Jesus himself, as you said.
All mankind has the curse of some sort of sin somewhere in there lives.
So would not it be our hearts that gets judged per the sinful acts that we do while walking in this world?
The Heart is where it is at. For Jesus said!..The greatest commandment of them all. Love you neighbor as yourself.
For he who has not love, has nothing.
Even Paul? said!... I do what I wish not to do. and what I wish to do. I do not do. This is why we are saved by Grace if we come to Jesus with a pure heart.
This could be where in IMHO!.... Christians could be in danger of playing God by judging others of sins that are clearly
against what is written per the scriptures. Jesus could be forgiving them as they are still sinning. Why?. Due to the fact they they are trying to break free of the sins that they still commit. and they bring there sins and struggles before the Lord.
Jesus forgives them by Grace, but other Christian believers are still judging them per what is written.
In essence! Christians are judging those that God has already forgiven. YIKES!
I will let someone else clean up my garble of words of the scriptures if they wish. For I do not have the time or will to look up the exact text and sayings as they were written.
No Blain that is exactly how it works.
The Bible says we are to crucify the flesh with the passions and desires. You can claim that is not how it works all you want and all you are doing is asserting something that is opposite of what the Bible teaches.
Paul stated that it is in crucifying our old man that the body of sin is destroyed once and for all. This is what sets us free from sin whereby we serve sin no more. Paul teaches that and you just don't like it so you rebel against that teaching and claim it is not true.
There is no "decide to get saved." There is no such thing as "decisional regeneration" there is only regeneration following a genuine repentance and a genuine conversion and that means there is a turning from sin BEFORE God regenerates an individual and forgives them their sins.
It is what the Bible teaches...
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Repentance --------> Conversion --------> Regeneration/Forgiveness.
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Crucifixion of the old man -------------> Body of sin Destroyed ----------> Service to Sin Ceases
We die in order to be raised up.
You implying that you get raised up without dying and that is why your doctrine has ongoing sin because the convert never died to sin under your theology and thus you have to argue in favour of ongoing sin.
This never happens to converts under your theology...
2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Christian's have escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
What do you do with a scripture like that? You just ignore it and pretend it does not exist.
You state...
That is nonsense. If you are still engaged in sexual sin then your lusts are not crucified. You are still subject to the corruption that is in the world through lust because you allow it to rule over you.
So can a child molester use the same excuse and claim that his child molestation was crucified at the cross yet he still molests children anyway? What kind of evil doctrine is this you believe in?
If a porn addict can watch porn and be saved then a child molester can rape babies and be saved. You actually believe that?
What are you saved from then? Punishment only? So you now have a license to commit sin?
You say things like...
Where on earth do you get that? God tells commands us to repent and forsake evil.
This has nothing to do with having to stop having desires. The CRUCIFY our desires through repentance whereby we no longer let them rule us. We instead submit ourselves to God and learn to do good. Yet if someone says that they are Satan right?
Obey God and forsake sin is Satan's message whilst keep sinning and confess it is God's message? Are you kidding me?
The Parable of the Tax Collector has a tax collector sorrowful over his sin coming clean with God, he is not out still ripping people off.
I have never said anything close to "hey God look at me, I repented, look how good I am." That you would imply such a thing is devious. Instead of actually discuss the scriptures I quote you just throw out rhetoric and strawman examples and then complain about those. It is ridiculous.
Here is a man preaching the Bible. Simply telling people to forsake their sin and turn to God just like all the messengers of God in the Bible. Yet people like you scoff at his message because you cannot stop arguing in favour of sin and speaking against righteousness.
[video=youtube;ZO74QFzlWfU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO74QFzlWfU[/video]
The Bible says we are to crucify the flesh with the passions and desires. You can claim that is not how it works all you want and all you are doing is asserting something that is opposite of what the Bible teaches.
Paul stated that it is in crucifying our old man that the body of sin is destroyed once and for all. This is what sets us free from sin whereby we serve sin no more. Paul teaches that and you just don't like it so you rebel against that teaching and claim it is not true.
There is no "decide to get saved." There is no such thing as "decisional regeneration" there is only regeneration following a genuine repentance and a genuine conversion and that means there is a turning from sin BEFORE God regenerates an individual and forgives them their sins.
It is what the Bible teaches...
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Repentance --------> Conversion --------> Regeneration/Forgiveness.
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Crucifixion of the old man -------------> Body of sin Destroyed ----------> Service to Sin Ceases
We die in order to be raised up.
You implying that you get raised up without dying and that is why your doctrine has ongoing sin because the convert never died to sin under your theology and thus you have to argue in favour of ongoing sin.
This never happens to converts under your theology...
2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Christian's have escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
What do you do with a scripture like that? You just ignore it and pretend it does not exist.
You state...
That is nonsense. If you are still engaged in sexual sin then your lusts are not crucified. You are still subject to the corruption that is in the world through lust because you allow it to rule over you.
So can a child molester use the same excuse and claim that his child molestation was crucified at the cross yet he still molests children anyway? What kind of evil doctrine is this you believe in?
If a porn addict can watch porn and be saved then a child molester can rape babies and be saved. You actually believe that?
What are you saved from then? Punishment only? So you now have a license to commit sin?
You say things like...
Where on earth do you get that? God tells commands us to repent and forsake evil.
This has nothing to do with having to stop having desires. The CRUCIFY our desires through repentance whereby we no longer let them rule us. We instead submit ourselves to God and learn to do good. Yet if someone says that they are Satan right?
Obey God and forsake sin is Satan's message whilst keep sinning and confess it is God's message? Are you kidding me?
The Parable of the Tax Collector has a tax collector sorrowful over his sin coming clean with God, he is not out still ripping people off.
I have never said anything close to "hey God look at me, I repented, look how good I am." That you would imply such a thing is devious. Instead of actually discuss the scriptures I quote you just throw out rhetoric and strawman examples and then complain about those. It is ridiculous.
Here is a man preaching the Bible. Simply telling people to forsake their sin and turn to God just like all the messengers of God in the Bible. Yet people like you scoff at his message because you cannot stop arguing in favour of sin and speaking against righteousness.
[video=youtube;ZO74QFzlWfU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO74QFzlWfU[/video]
And yet, God allowed the thorn to remain in the side of Paul. Jesus did not heal every sick person He came into contact with. Scripture does not tell us we will not suffer, that we will be healed of all ills of this world. God's divine Word to man has always been, "Trust me." So, there will be many who God will not heal of cancer, AIDS, leprosy, Same Sex Attraction, etc. However, He still calls for them to trust Him, to obey Him, and to gather their strength to carry on and REJOICE in their suffering.
Please tell me, when did Christianity stop glorifying the suffering of our faith? God glorified His suffering Son, through suffering He glorifies man and Himself above all. Stop preaching this "I'm okay...life shouldn't hurt...everything's going to be okay" pagan nonsense. Now, I do realize I could have misconstrued much of what you wrote above, but it is time that we place suffering exactly where it should be, as a gift as all things are gifts of God's glory, because through suffering we come closer to the Throne and the Person of Jesus Christ, our Lord, God, King, Groom, and Saviour.
Please tell me, when did Christianity stop glorifying the suffering of our faith? God glorified His suffering Son, through suffering He glorifies man and Himself above all. Stop preaching this "I'm okay...life shouldn't hurt...everything's going to be okay" pagan nonsense. Now, I do realize I could have misconstrued much of what you wrote above, but it is time that we place suffering exactly where it should be, as a gift as all things are gifts of God's glory, because through suffering we come closer to the Throne and the Person of Jesus Christ, our Lord, God, King, Groom, and Saviour.
You will always be confronted, "test" in a sense, there's a big leap from a thief to a child molester though, a thief takes possessions, a molester HURTS children, The way God deals with the thief will be different from the way he handles a molester
Matthew 18:6 - But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Matthew 18:6 - But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
said who, when did you get saved, for being holy and perfect. by following the full law before or after believing.
The Righteousness of God Through Faith
21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it---22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
who appointed us judge. to what others do. when grace as a gift, never came throught,our laws and actions.
The Righteousness of God Through Faith
21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it---22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
who appointed us judge. to what others do. when grace as a gift, never came throught,our laws and actions.
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I was not talking about sickness and disease. I was talking about sinning.
There are many people who teach that you don't have to stop sinning because you cannot stop sinning because the flesh itself is evil and this necessitates people keep on sinning. Thus a homosexual can be deemed a Christian and still engage in homosexual behaviour from time to time and be saved.
Thus they will make room in their salvation theology for people to be engaged in wickedness whilst they are still saved. That is "saved IN sin" instead of "saved FROM sin." That is the issue.
The thorn in Paul's side was not ongoing rebellion to God but was rather some individual or circumstance which continualluy beset him which he had to learn to endure.
There are many people who teach that you don't have to stop sinning because you cannot stop sinning because the flesh itself is evil and this necessitates people keep on sinning. Thus a homosexual can be deemed a Christian and still engage in homosexual behaviour from time to time and be saved.
Thus they will make room in their salvation theology for people to be engaged in wickedness whilst they are still saved. That is "saved IN sin" instead of "saved FROM sin." That is the issue.
The thorn in Paul's side was not ongoing rebellion to God but was rather some individual or circumstance which continualluy beset him which he had to learn to endure.
The righteousness of God was manifested apart from the law because Jesus exercised a faith that works by love and love works no ill, therefore love fulfills the law.
It has nothing to do with being "lawless." It has to do with superseding the shadow (letter of the law) with the source (spirit of the law) by a faith that works by love in which we walk by the Spirit.
The righteousness of God is to us by faith in Jesus Christ because we abide in the Spirit of His life whereby our hearts are pure and we love as He loved. That is why we don't sin willfully. That is why we walk in purity.
It has nothing to do with being "lawless." It has to do with superseding the shadow (letter of the law) with the source (spirit of the law) by a faith that works by love in which we walk by the Spirit.
The righteousness of God is to us by faith in Jesus Christ because we abide in the Spirit of His life whereby our hearts are pure and we love as He loved. That is why we don't sin willfully. That is why we walk in purity.
The law still exposes sin. What was moral sin is still sin. Murder is still wrong in the eyes of God, not in the eyes of all people. Abominations before God remain abominations. The sexual acts of men with men are still condemned. Unrepentant sinners will be judged according to the Law. No person can defiantly persist in such sins and be eternally saved.
1 John 5:16 (KJV) [SUP]16 [/SUP] If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
OK, so a man claims to be a brother in the Lord. He commits homosexuality regularly without repentance. Not knowing whether that qualifies as a sin unto death (probably limited to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit) I am in fact instructed to deal with that with him. You verify whether he does that, then teach why it is wrong and supply life of the word, with prayer, so that he can escape and live a holy life.
1 John 5:16 (KJV) [SUP]16 [/SUP] If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
OK, so a man claims to be a brother in the Lord. He commits homosexuality regularly without repentance. Not knowing whether that qualifies as a sin unto death (probably limited to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit) I am in fact instructed to deal with that with him. You verify whether he does that, then teach why it is wrong and supply life of the word, with prayer, so that he can escape and live a holy life.
You must turn away from sin, don't you understand their are people with evil in their hearts, they've chose a side, they've chose sin, then there are those who walk in The Lord and refuse sin, and live to help heal others, still doesn't make them perfect by the way, then there are those luke warm folks, that haven't chose a side, that need help to get to Jesus and understand that God loves them, so there's for sure a difference between the three, how can you say your perfect? When there's still poverty, when there's still sickness, you alone can not heal the world, you are not perfect, over time it is easier and easier to rebuke sin and God can help you with whatever you need help with, but surely you still need Gods help, you are not perfect, neither is the pope, you are but a mortal man or women, with thoughts like one, so please don't tell me how perfect you are. God convicts His children with the Holy Spirit, that's not what he said for you to do is judge,.... preach, love, forgiveness, heal, help save, not condemn,
John3:17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Mark16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
John3:17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Mark16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Think about this for a moment.
1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
Here we have John discussing two different kinds of sin.
1. Sin Unto Death
2. Sin Not Unto Death
John states that he does not say to pray for a sin unto death.
John also states that whosoever is born of God does not sin.
I would put it to you that..
1. Sin Unto Death = Rebellion = Willful Sin
2. Sin Not Unto Death = Sin of Ignorance = Wrong Doing Without Rebellion
Why would I conclude that? Well due to this...
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
1. Sin Unto Death = Disobedience Unto Unrighteousness
2. Obedience Unto Righteousness
Paul doesn't say obedience is righteousness but that it leads to righteousness. Also we have...
1. Obedience Unto Righteousness (Rom 6:16)
2. Righteousness Unto Holiness (Rom 6:19)
3. Holiness Unto Everlasting Life (Rom 6:22)
Steps 1,2 and 3 being the Sanctification process. This aligns with...
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Heb 12:12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
Heb 12:13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
So with all that in mind when John is speaking of a "sin not unto death" he is not speaking of rebellion but a sin of ignorance, a sin where the brother needs correction that righteousness may increase.
Sin unto death on the other hand is simply disobedience to God. Sin unto death is rebellion and that kills an individual instantly, not physically but spiritually. Rebellion is a choice, an act of free agency, therefore we are not to pray for it because God does not force Himself upon anyone, He merely compels them through conviction.
Thus a "brother" cannot be engaged in homosexuality or any other willful sin and truly be a "brother." Such a person needs to be confronted about their sin and told in no uncertain terms that they need to do their first works and repent, only then is it possible to obey unto righteousness, righteousness unto holiness, the end of which is everlasting life, the gift of God is eternal life THROUGH Jesus Christ.
I hope that makes sense.
1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
Here we have John discussing two different kinds of sin.
1. Sin Unto Death
2. Sin Not Unto Death
John states that he does not say to pray for a sin unto death.
John also states that whosoever is born of God does not sin.
I would put it to you that..
1. Sin Unto Death = Rebellion = Willful Sin
2. Sin Not Unto Death = Sin of Ignorance = Wrong Doing Without Rebellion
Why would I conclude that? Well due to this...
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
1. Sin Unto Death = Disobedience Unto Unrighteousness
2. Obedience Unto Righteousness
Paul doesn't say obedience is righteousness but that it leads to righteousness. Also we have...
1. Obedience Unto Righteousness (Rom 6:16)
2. Righteousness Unto Holiness (Rom 6:19)
3. Holiness Unto Everlasting Life (Rom 6:22)
Steps 1,2 and 3 being the Sanctification process. This aligns with...
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Heb 12:12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
Heb 12:13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
So with all that in mind when John is speaking of a "sin not unto death" he is not speaking of rebellion but a sin of ignorance, a sin where the brother needs correction that righteousness may increase.
Sin unto death on the other hand is simply disobedience to God. Sin unto death is rebellion and that kills an individual instantly, not physically but spiritually. Rebellion is a choice, an act of free agency, therefore we are not to pray for it because God does not force Himself upon anyone, He merely compels them through conviction.
Thus a "brother" cannot be engaged in homosexuality or any other willful sin and truly be a "brother." Such a person needs to be confronted about their sin and told in no uncertain terms that they need to do their first works and repent, only then is it possible to obey unto righteousness, righteousness unto holiness, the end of which is everlasting life, the gift of God is eternal life THROUGH Jesus Christ.
I hope that makes sense.