The law of Christ

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It was prophecied in the OT that the Jews would be gathered back in their land after being scattered to the four corners of the earth.
20th century America and 19th century England were only pawns in God's hands to see it through.
The only problem is that those are not the Jews.
 
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Cain slew Abel before God gave a prohibition of murder.
Our fallen nature is prone to EVIL with or without a previous law prohibiting.
Before the flood/before the giving of the law violence reigned on the earth.
Exactly! Cain slew Abel before God said "thou shalt not kill" which was ADDED because the law of Christ which is love was broken.
 
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Hitler thought so. What do you think they were, fleeing Eskimos from global warming?
Hitler was part of the greater plan we see today. The ONLY reason those people are over there with our backing is to keep perpetual war and conflict going for the purpose of weapon sells and to perpetuate this "Islam Christian" beef to keep us divided. Those who want to own the world reads the bible too!
 

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Exactly! Cain slew Abel before God said "thou shalt not kill" which was ADDED because the law of Christ which is love was broken.
When you say, ''law of Christ'', just what are you referring to?
This term seems to be bantered about these boards lately...undefined.
 
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When you say, ''law of Christ'', just what are you referring to?
This term seems to be bantered about these boards lately...undefined.
One word, LOVE! That is all. If Cain loved Abel, he would not have killed him.
 

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Hitler was part of the greater plan we see today. The ONLY reason those people are over there with our backing is to keep perpetual war and conflict going for the purpose of weapon sells and to perpetuate this "Islam Christian" beef to keep us divided. Those who want to own the world reads the bible too!
Those people? Eskimoes? Maybe you should move your posts to the 'Conspiracy' room.
God holds the course of events in His little pinky. It was in His plan to restore His people to THEIR land...even in unbelief.
 
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When you say, ''law of Christ'', just what are you referring to?
This term seems to be bantered about these boards lately...undefined.
He might be thinking of Jesus giving Moses the law which He did according to Colossians chapter 1. maybe, maybe not. :confused:
 
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He might be thinking of Jesus giving Moses the law which He did according to Colossians chapter 1. maybe, maybe not. :confused:
Jesus did not give Moses the law. It was given by the dispensation of angels.
 
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Those people? Eskimoes? Maybe you should move your posts to the 'Conspiracy' room.
God holds the course of events in His little pinky. It was in His plan to restore His people to THEIR land...even in unbelief.
How is "THEIR land" when their own king is not even of this world? My inheritance will be the world, not some patch of land.
 

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How is "THEIR land" when their own king is not even of this world? My inheritance will be the world, not some patch of land.
We're getting off topic so this is my last on this matter. His promise of real physical land will resume after the rapture...

Zechariah 14:2-4 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
 
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For clarification, taking Moses out of the equation, we will see that the law of God was, and is spoken by His only begotten Son Jesus Christ. So whatever we understand and believe that is the “law of Christ”, is also identical to the “law of God.”

God instructs Israel to listen to the Angel that has the name of God in Him. Anyone who refuses to listen to His voice is guilty without pardon. He goes before Israel to conquer the adversary. He comes to Jerusalem to save. He made heaven and earth. We give thanks to the Father because of Him. He claims that He comes to us in the name of the Father. The words of God come forth from His mouth. Our help is in His name.

Many will want to add the difference between the old and new covenants in relation to the law that is also different between the two. But in relationship the only difference is the physical versus the spiritual. Now without the physical that came first, there would ultimately be nothing left to compare the relationship spiritually as Jesus taught in parables. Matthew 13:13

Exodus 23:20-23
20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies , and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
23 For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.

Note. obey his voice, and do all that I speak (this is the connection)

Matthew 21:9 And the multitudes that went before , and that followed , cried , saying , Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.

Exodus 32:34 Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them.

Psalm 124:8 Our help is in the name of the LORD, who *made heaven and earth.

Colossians 1:12-17
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 *For by him were all things created , that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist .

John 5:43-47
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive .
44 How can ye believe , which receive honour one of another , and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Deuteronomy 7:1
When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, (a tribe of the Canaanites descendant of Ham and his offspring Canaan see Genesis 10:16) and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;

Deuteronomy 18:15-19
15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken .
18I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, ***that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

It has been this way from the beginning, and there can be no separation from what has been proven by the name/Word of God the Father in heaven, for “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.” John 1:1-2
 
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The only problem is that those are not the Jews.
You seem to be unaware that Judah and Israel are separate. When the scripture is speaking of Israel prophetically, it is generally speaking of Ephraim and Manasseh, not Judah.
 

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Jesus did not give Moses the law. It was given by the dispensation of angels.
That is an outright fabrication...

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,

Exo 20:22 And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.

And from there proceeded to give the Statutes and Judgments to Moses because of this...

Exo 20:19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.
 

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For clarification, taking Moses out of the equation, we will see that the law of God was, and is spoken by His only begotten Son Jesus Christ. So whatever we understand and believe that is the “law of Christ”, is also identical to the “law of God.”

God instructs Israel to listen to the Angel that has the name of God in Him. Anyone who refuses to listen to His voice is guilty without pardon. He goes before Israel to conquer the adversary. He comes to Jerusalem to save. He made heaven and earth. We give thanks to the Father because of Him. He claims that He comes to us in the name of the Father. The words of God come forth from His mouth. Our help is in His name.

Many will want to add the difference between the old and new covenants in relation to the law that is also different between the two. But in relationship the only difference is the physical versus the spiritual. Now without the physical that came first, there would ultimately be nothing left to compare the relationship spiritually as Jesus taught in parables. Matthew 13:13

Exodus 23:20-23
20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies , and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
23 For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.

Note. obey his voice, and do all that I speak (this is the connection)

Matthew 21:9 And the multitudes that went before , and that followed , cried , saying , Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.

Exodus 32:34 Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them.

Psalm 124:8 Our help is in the name of the LORD, who *made heaven and earth.

Colossians 1:12-17
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 *For by him were all things created , that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist .

John 5:43-47
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive .
44 How can ye believe , which receive honour one of another , and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Deuteronomy 7:1
When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, (a tribe of the Canaanites descendant of Ham and his offspring Canaan see Genesis 10:16) and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;

Deuteronomy 18:15-19
15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken .
18I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, ***that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

It has been this way from the beginning, and there can be no separation from what has been proven by the name/Word of God the Father in heaven, for “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.” John 1:1-2
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to just-me again.
 
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You seem to be unaware that Judah and Israel are separate. When the scripture is speaking of Israel prophetically, it is generally speaking of Ephraim and Manasseh, not Judah.
Im very aware of it. A true Jew or one of Judah is not a child of the flesh.
 

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Im very aware of it. A true Jew or one of Judah is not a child of the flesh.
They are different nations, in fact, the frist time the word Jew appears in the Bible, the context is that Judah is AT WAR with Israel.

2Ki 16:1 In the seventeenth year of Pekah the son of Remaliah Ahaz the son of Jotham king of Judah began to reign.
2Ki 16:2 Twenty years old was Ahaz when he began to reign, and reigned sixteen years in Jerusalem, and did not that which was right in the sight of the LORD his God, like David his father.
2Ki 16:3 But he walked in the way of the kings of Israel, yea, and made his son to pass through the fire, according to the abominations of the heathen, whom the LORD cast out from before the children of Israel.
2Ki 16:4 And he sacrificed and burnt incense in the high places, and on the hills, and under every green tree.
2Ki 16:5 Then Rezin king of Syria and Pekah son of Remaliah king of Israel came up to Jerusalem to war: and they besieged Ahaz, but could not overcome him.
2Ki 16:6 At that time Rezin king of Syria recovered Elath to Syria, and drave the Jews from Elath: and the Syrians came to Elath, and dwelt there unto this day.
 
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That is an outright fabrication...

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,

Exo 20:22 And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.

And from there proceeded to give the Statutes and Judgments to Moses because of this...

Exo 20:19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.
Acts 7

51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.


52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:


53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.


No fabrication. Now I ask, what does this mean?
 
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They are different nations, in fact, the frist time the word Jew appears in the Bible, the context is that Judah is AT WAR with Israel.

2Ki 16:1 In the seventeenth year of Pekah the son of Remaliah Ahaz the son of Jotham king of Judah began to reign.
2Ki 16:2 Twenty years old was Ahaz when he began to reign, and reigned sixteen years in Jerusalem, and did not that which was right in the sight of the LORD his God, like David his father.
2Ki 16:3 But he walked in the way of the kings of Israel, yea, and made his son to pass through the fire, according to the abominations of the heathen, whom the LORD cast out from before the children of Israel.
2Ki 16:4 And he sacrificed and burnt incense in the high places, and on the hills, and under every green tree.
2Ki 16:5 Then Rezin king of Syria and Pekah son of Remaliah king of Israel came up to Jerusalem to war: and they besieged Ahaz, but could not overcome him.
2Ki 16:6 At that time Rezin king of Syria recovered Elath to Syria, and drave the Jews from Elath: and the Syrians came to Elath, and dwelt there unto this day.
And so too Michael shall stand and with his angels go to war with the devils angels. Yes they are of different nations. Again not about the flesh. A Jew is one who is circumcised in heart.
 
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Acts 7

51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.


52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:


53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.


No fabrication. Now I ask, what does this mean?
By the disposition of angels - There has been much diversity of opinion in regard to this phrase, εἰς διαταγὰς ἀγγέλων eis diatagas angelōn. The word translated "disposition" does not occur elsewhere in the New Testament. It properly means the "constituting" or "arranging" of an army; disposing it into ranks and proper divisions. Hence, it has been supposed to mean that the Law was given "amidst" the various ranks of angels, being present to witness its promulgation. Others suppose that the angels were employed as agents or instruments to communicate the Law. All that the expression fairly implies is the former; that the Law was given amidst the attending ranks of angels, as if they were summoned to witness the pomp and ceremony of giving "law" to an entire people, and through them to an entire world.

By the disposition of angels.—Better, as ordained of angels; or, more literally, as ordinances of angels. The Greek preposition cannot possibly have the meaning of “by.” The phrase expressed the current Jewish belief that angels were the intermediate agents through whom Israel received the Law; that it was their voice that was heard on Sinai. Here also Paul, in speaking of the Law as “ordained by angels” (Galatians 3:19), Hebrews 2:2 The idea rested mainly on the LXX. version of Deuteronomy 33:2, “on His right hand were angels with Him” and “the thousands of angels” as connected with Sinai in Psalm 68:17.
 
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