The law of Christ

[Flamingspirit]

I'd let you suffer the punishment and humiliation by turning the other cheek that would force you to slap me with an open hand putting us on an equal level according to the tradition during the time of Christ when He gave the sermon on the mount. That's the same principle of the original law. If you would like me to explain I will for your edification for we are to love one another.

No, don't need it explained. I wouldn't slap you. That's not love. But if I smack you, then you smack me back then I look to hit you again and vice versa, then that's a tooth for a tooth.

 

[john832]

I am human, nothing else, I get things wrong, i get things right, My main goals in life as a christian is to try follow and obey God's laws. No one can judge me but God. But what I was saying we can know all the laws of Christ,. but how many people on the earth follow and obey them? thats all I ask. and judging by the replies, I don't think anyone can answer that. Im not judging, just asking, think about it, we all obey mans laws more than what Christ's laws. what does that say?

Sorry Richie if you misunderstood the post. I was asking rhetorical questions, they were not literally directed at you. My apologies.

 

[Richie_2uk]

Sorry Richie if you misunderstood the post. I was asking rhetorical questions, they were not literally directed at you. My apologies.

No worries, its nice to see people man enough to apologize when they are wrong, Glad to hear you did, Respect to you bro,

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Which is exactly what Christ taught. Yet because it means much more than the Ten Commandments, it does not do away with them, rather it magnifies them (see Isa 42:21)

We can't be made righteous by the Law. Yes, at one time the law was great and glorious. [2 Cor. 3]

Why are you purposely leaving part of that verse out? It does not say heaven and earth will pass away until all is fulfilled, it says that not a jot or tittle of the Law will pass away...

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

And not one jot or tittle will FAIL because all will be fulfilled by and through Christ.

Notice the subject of the verses you quoted? What is it? The ADMINISTRATION of the Law, not the Law itself.

2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Co 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels.
2Co 3:11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.

And the vail has not been lifted yet!

Isa 25:6 And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.
Isa 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.

The above is a Millennial scripture, that vail is lifted at the return of Christ.

The administration of the Law is the time during which the Law was ministered and was counted as righteousness.
Deut. 6:25 And if we are careful to obey all this law before the LORD our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.
And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost. And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom. Mark 15:38 What "lifts" the vail? turning to Christ . . . Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 2 Cor. 3:16

This one has been beaten to death in other threads but the Law that was added was the Law of sacrifices...

Deu 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

Please note there is not ONE WORD concerning sacrifices here. In fact, sacrifices were not offered until almost a year later.

Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Jer 7:24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

Some type of sacrifice has been conducted since the beginning - Wasn't God unhappy with Cain's sacrifice? Those sacrifices, the Levitical Law, the Ten Commandments, the Food Laws - ALL these are the law of God. The Ten Commandments are fulfilled in this manner:

. . .Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. ALL the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. Matt. 22:387-39

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Gal. 5:14

If you fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, you do well. James 2:8

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not bear false witness, thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Romans 13:8,10

 

[john832]

We can't be made righteous by the Law. Yes, at one time the law was great and glorious. [2 Cor. 3]

And not one jot or tittle will FAIL because all will be fulfilled by and through Christ.

The administration of the Law is the time during which the Law was ministered and was counted as righteousness.
Deut. 6:25 And if we are careful to obey all this law before the LORD our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.
And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost. And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom. Mark 15:38 What "lifts" the vail? turning to Christ . . . Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 2 Cor. 3:16

Some type of sacrifice has been conducted since the beginning - Wasn't God unhappy with Cain's sacrifice? Those sacrifices, the Levitical Law, the Ten Commandments, the Food Laws - ALL these are the law of God. The Ten Commandments are fulfilled in this manner:

. . .Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. ALL the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. Matt. 22:387-39

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Gal. 5:14

If you fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, you do well. James 2:8

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not bear false witness, thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Romans 13:8,10

A lot is said about love, John commented on it also...

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

 

[just-me]

No, don't need it explained. I wouldn't slap you. That's not love. But if I smack you, then you smack me back then I look to hit you again and vice versa, then that's a tooth for a tooth.

That's not the law. Either you really cannot comprehend or you just don't want to because you are satisfied with partial truth. Your wheels are turning but you're going nowhere. You're stuck because you have no desire beyond what you already think you know. If your desire was truly toward God you would desire all the information you could get concerning the truth and wouldn't build a barrier of refusal.

 

[ELECT]

We can't be made righteous by the Law. Yes, at one time the law was great and glorious. [2 Cor. 3]

And not one jot or tittle will FAIL because all will be fulfilled by and through Christ.

The administration of the Law is the time during which the Law was ministered and was counted as righteousness.
Deut. 6:25 And if we are careful to obey all this law before the LORD our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.
And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost. And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom. Mark 15:38 What "lifts" the vail? turning to Christ . . . Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 2 Cor. 3:16

Some type of sacrifice has been conducted since the beginning - Wasn't God unhappy with Cain's sacrifice? Those sacrifices, the Levitical Law, the Ten Commandments, the Food Laws - ALL these are the law of God. The Ten Commandments are fulfilled in this manner:

. . .Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. ALL the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. Matt. 22:387-39

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Gal. 5:14

If you fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, you do well. James 2:8

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not bear false witness, thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Romans 13:8,10

2 Corinthians 3:7-11King James Version (KJV)

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
The subject is not the doing away with the law or its establishment, but rather, the change of the location of the law from “tables of stone” to the “tables of the heart.” Under Moses' ministration the law was on stones. Under the Holy Spirit's ministration, through Christ, the law is written upon the heart. Christ's ministration of the law is effective because He transfers the law to the heart of the Christian. Then keeping the law becomes a delight and a joyful way of living because the Christian has true love for both God and man.

 

[ELECT]

No, don't need it explained. I wouldn't slap you. That's not love. But if I smack you, then you smack me back then I look to hit you again and vice versa, then that's a tooth for a tooth.

[h=1]Psalm 141:5King James Version (KJV)[/h]5 Let the righteous smite me; it shall be a kindness: and let him reprove me; it shall be an excellent oil, which shall not break my head: for yet my prayer also shall be in their calamities.

 

[ELECT]

We can't be made righteous by the Law. Yes, at one time the law was great and glorious. [2 Cor. 3]

And not one jot or tittle will FAIL because all will be fulfilled by and through Christ.

The administration of the Law is the time during which the Law was ministered and was counted as righteousness.
Deut. 6:25 And if we are careful to obey all this law before the LORD our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.
And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost. And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom. Mark 15:38 What "lifts" the vail? turning to Christ . . . Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 2 Cor. 3:16

Some type of sacrifice has been conducted since the beginning - Wasn't God unhappy with Cain's sacrifice? Those sacrifices, the Levitical Law, the Ten Commandments, the Food Laws - ALL these are the law of God. The Ten Commandments are fulfilled in this manner:

. . .Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. ALL the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. Matt. 22:387-39

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Gal. 5:14

If you fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, you do well. James 2:8

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not bear false witness, thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Romans 13:8,10

Does this make sense if fulfilled means done away ?

ink not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to DESTROY THE LAW but I have come to DESTROY THE LAW (fufilled )(How can the law be abolished when Jesus said He is not going to abolish it?)

 

[ELECT]

We can't be made righteous by the Law. Yes, at one time the law was great and glorious. [2 Cor. 3]

And not one jot or tittle will FAIL because all will be fulfilled by and through Christ.

The administration of the Law is the time during which the Law was ministered and was counted as righteousness.
Deut. 6:25 And if we are careful to obey all this law before the LORD our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.
And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost. And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom. Mark 15:38 What "lifts" the vail? turning to Christ . . . Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 2 Cor. 3:16

Some type of sacrifice has been conducted since the beginning - Wasn't God unhappy with Cain's sacrifice? Those sacrifices, the Levitical Law, the Ten Commandments, the Food Laws - ALL these are the law of God. The Ten Commandments are fulfilled in this manner:

. . .Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. ALL the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. Matt. 22:387-39

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Gal. 5:14

If you fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, you do well. James 2:8

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not bear false witness, thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Romans 13:8,10

Matthew 5:17-19King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Does this make any sense ?
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to DESTROY THE LAW but I have come to DESTROY THE LAW. (How can the law be abolished when Jesus said He is not going to abolish it?)

And now that I have fulfilled and abolished the law I said I am not destroying, I am telling you that till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall, that is, not even the crossing of a “t” or the dotting of an “i” is going to pass from the law that I am abolishing. (And how can the Commandments be abolished when Jesus said that not even the equivalent to a period or a comma is going to change from the law as long as heaven and earth are still here?)

And since I, Jesus fulfilled the Ten Commandments and ended them, I am telling you that whosoever therefore shall BREAK ONE of these least Commandments shall be referred to as least by those in the kingdom, and since I am abolishing the law, I am telling you that you are now toTEACH THE LAW also that I am abolishing.
(And how can you break any one of the commandments if they are gone and how can you teach them if they are abolished?)

You have heard before that “THOU SHALL NOT KILL” but now that I am fulfilling and hence ending the law, now I say that whosoever is ANGRY with his brother WITHOUT A CAUSE shall be in danger of the judgment and whosoever shall say you fool shall be in danger of HELL FIRE. And you have heard that it was said by them of old time, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY” but now I say unto you, that whosoever looks on a woman to lust after her has COMMITTED ADULTERY with her already in his heart.”
(How could the Ten Commandments be abolished when we find that Jesus raised the standard for obeying them?)

 

[just-me]

OK I see how things work concerning the adversary's wiles. Some try to teach what others don't want taught and some try to fight while saying they abide in love while refusing to be enlightened. Go figure.

 

[psychomom]

i'd like to share some things i have learned...

there's a difference in the job descriptions of God's Law and God's Gospel.
a big difference.

and the failure to distinguish between Law and Gospel pretty much always leads to
abandonment of the Gospel.

the Law gets softened into helpful tips for practical living (go see Tony Robbins for that stuff!)
instead of God's unwavering demand for perfection.

and the Gospel gets hardened into a set of moral demands we must live out
instead of God's unconditional declaration that He justifies the ungodly.

the Law diagnoses sinners, but only the Gospel delivers sinners.

the Law illuminates sin, but only the Gospel eliminates sin.

the Law forces us to face our sin, but only the Gospel forgives our sin.

the Law exposes us, but only the Gospel exonerates us.

the Law accuses us, but only the Gospel acquits us.

thank You, Faithful Father, for providing a Way for us. ♥
thank You for your Grace and Mercy in the Person and Work of our Savior.
please continue, by Your Grace, to enable us to walk in Your Ways.

 

[just-us-2]

I ran across a verse this morning that very simply and plainly explains why we still need the Law of God, which is the same as the Law of Christ, that foundation upon which the whole Bible is based: "If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?" Psalm 11:3

 

[john832]

We can't be made righteous by the Law. Yes, at one time the law was great and glorious. [2 Cor. 3]

Agreed and I have NEVER stated that Law keeping saves one. IT is a prerequisite though. God does not save habitual sinners (Lawbreakers I John 3:4)...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

And not one jot or tittle will FAIL because all will be fulfilled by and through Christ.

The Tribulation has not occurred, the Second Coming has not occurred, the Millennium has yet to begin, the Great White Throne Judgment has not occurred and the Father has not brought New Jerusalem to the earth yet. So, has all been fulfilled? Has a jot or tittle failed from the Law?

The administration of the Law is the time during which the Law was ministered and was counted as righteousness.
Deut. 6:25 And if we are careful to obey all this law before the LORD our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.
And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost. And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom. Mark 15:38 What "lifts" the vail? turning to Christ . . . Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 2 Cor. 3:16

I think that you will find that is not exactly accurate...

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

this is not complete yet. Notice verse 34, do all know God today? From the least to the greatest? Has God forgiven ALL iniquity yet? Or is there some harsh judgment yet to befall the world known as the Tribulation?

Some type of sacrifice has been conducted since the beginning - Wasn't God unhappy with Cain's sacrifice?

Gen 4:5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
Gen 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Let's look at this, was this a sacrifice for sin? Verse 5 says it is an offering and that sin is lying at the door, it was not a sacrifice for a sin already committed. Can just anyone give an offering just anywhere under any circumstance?

Who was the High Priest at the time?

Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
Gen 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
Gen 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Those sacrifices, the Levitical Law, the Ten Commandments, the Food Laws - ALL these are the law of God. The Ten Commandments are fulfilled in this manner:

. . .Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. ALL the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. Matt. 22:387-39

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Gal. 5:14

If you fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, you do well. James 2:8

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not bear false witness, thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Romans 13:8,10

So then let me ask, since the Law is fulfilled in love, can one ignore the letter and say they are fulfilling the Spirit of the Law?

Let's look at a food law for an example, God says that certain meats are food and others are not...

Lev 11:46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:
Lev 11:47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

Here is a specific law...

Lev 7:23 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Ye shall eat no manner of fat, of ox, or of sheep, or of goat.

Does loving God and loving your neighbor fulfill this law and prevent heart disease if one consumes animal (saturated) fat?

Is this still in force?

1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

People read the above verses but read right over the first part of verse 5, what does it mean sanctified by the Word of God? Something that is sanctified is set apart. What sets it apart? The Word of God. Where are meats set apart? Lev 11 and Deut 14.

 

[ELECT]

Psalm 111:10King James Version (KJV)


10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

 

[john832]

Psalm 111:10King James Version (KJV)


10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Quite often, we must do what God says to do without understanding why. After doing what we are instructed, God gives the understanding. Obedience 1st, understanding later.

 

[ELECT]

1 Peter 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.


Many will say that they are sanctified or set apart yet when you ask about the sabbath which was blessed sanctified and hallowed they say nayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

God wasted His time to do three things to the day
they are just rebellious

Isaiah 30:10King James Version (KJV)

10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits

 

[ELECT]

John 17:17[Full Chapter]
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Sanctify (Set Apart ) them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Therefore there were foods that were set apart by the word of God

but gracekeppers will say nayyyyyyyyyyyyyy they dont want this verse to reign over them

yet want to be set apart when obeying this law helps to be set apart

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Agreed and I have NEVER stated that Law keeping saves one. IT is a prerequisite though. God does not save habitual sinners (Lawbreakers I John 3:4)...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

All who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved . . . Jesus died for the ungodly. "It is a prerequisite though." A prerequisite for being saved? We have to clean ourselves up first before we are saved? . . . They that be whole need not a physician but they that are sick . . . I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Matt. 9:12,13b

The Tribulation has not occurred, the Second Coming has not occurred, the Millennium has yet to begin, the Great White Throne Judgment has not occurred and the Father has not brought New Jerusalem to the earth yet. So, has all been fulfilled? Has a jot or tittle failed from the Law?

I believe that I said not all has been fulfilled but what has been fulfilled is complete.

I think that you will find that is not exactly accurate...

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

this is not complete yet. Notice verse 34, do all know God today? From the least to the greatest? Has God forgiven ALL iniquity yet? Or is there some harsh judgment yet to befall the world known as the Tribulation?

With the coming of the holy Spirit, God's law is in our inward parts and written upon our hearts. He is our God and we are his people - the children of God in the household of God - part of the body, the church, with Christ as the head. Have we been forgiven our iniquity and God remembers it no more? Does he not cast our sins as far as the east is from the west? Again, not ALL if fulfilled.

Gen 4:5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
Gen 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Let's look at this, was this a sacrifice for sin? Verse 5 says it is an offering and that sin is lying at the door, it was not a sacrifice for a sin already committed. Can just anyone give an offering just anywhere under any circumstance?

You did not specify "sacrifice for sin" when you said "sacrifices were not offered until almost a year later."

Who was the High Priest at the time?

Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
Gen 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
Gen 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

So then let me ask, since the Law is fulfilled in love, can one ignore the letter and say they are fulfilling the Spirit of the Law?

I don't believe I have said we are to ignore "the letter" of the law. We are not UNDER BONDAGE to that LAW - will we fulfill the law by walking by the Spirit, i.e. walking in love, freely.

Let's look at a food law for an example, God says that certain meats are food and others are not...

Lev 11:46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:
Lev 11:47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

Here is a specific law...

Lev 7:23 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Ye shall eat no manner of fat, of ox, or of sheep, or of goat.

Does loving God and loving your neighbor fulfill this law and prevent heart disease if one consumes animal (saturated) fat?

"SPEAK UNTO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL" . . . Do I belong to the children of Israel? I am a child of God. I belong to the church, the body of Christ. I learn from the OT scripture but some things are not and cannot be applied in my life. Is it best that I do not eat fat? Yes, of course, and it's a good thing I hate fat! Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Seeing what Daniel endured, seeing what David accomplished, seeing Job's life, etc. - shows me what others have endured, therefore I receive patience and comfort and hope through those scriptures.

Is this still in force?

1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

People read the above verses but read right over the first part of verse 5, what does it mean sanctified by the Word of God? Something that is sanctified is set apart. What sets it apart? The Word of God. Where are meats set apart? Lev 11 and Deut 14.

So you are saying there are still "clean" and "unclean" animals? I think my food is received with thanksgiving and with prayer - therefore God has blessed what I am about to eat - it has been set apart - my food is blessed for my body and will bring nourishment to my body. Are you "commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth"?

 

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The question remains. What really is the "Name of the Lord?" I don't think most people really know anymore than mouthing those words at the end of a prayer.

Exodus 23:21-22
21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that "I" speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.

"my name" [SUP]H8034[/SUP]8034 shem shame a primitive word (perhaps rather from 7760 through the idea of definite and conspicuous position; Compare 8064); an appellation, as a mark or memorial of individuality; by implication honor, authority, character:--+ base, (in-)fame(-ous), named(-d), renown, report.

God's name is all He has testified of Himself.

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall "call" upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

1941. epikaleomai ep-ee-kal-eh'-om-ahee middle voice from 1909 and 2564; to entitle; by implication, to invoke (for aid, worship, testimony, decision, etc.):--appeal (unto), call (on, upon), surname.

Calling upon the name of the Lord is to cause all of what God has testified about Himself to be incorporated into one's own life. We appeal unto Him and call unto Him to make this happen in us because "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16-17